Case vs. Pitt vs. WashU?

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Here's another decision thread. I'd appreciate any opinions/advice if you have them.

Here's me in a nutshell:
I'm accepted at Case and Pitt and waitlisted at WashU.
None are close to home.
I'm currently interested in ER.
I love the preclinical elective opportunities at Case and WashU.
I'm scared of all these rumors of gunners at WashU.
Not incredibly interested in bench research, but may want to go into academic medicine to be clinician/educator/maybe clinical research.
Went to Pitt second look, and felt a pretty good fit.


I've heard the teaching at WashU is sub-par and the teaching at Pitt is excellent. I haven't heard about Case.

Opinions? Everyone's got them, so let's hear them.

Thanks in advance. Much appreciated.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about it until you get off the waitlist at WashU... unless you're thinking of writing a letter of intent. I hear WashU waitlist a whole bunch of people and the chances of getting in off the waitlist aren't all that great. So if I were you I'd focus on Case vs. Pitt for right now. 😉 That's a tough choice.
 
Yeah, RP is right, Case vs. Pitt is a tough choice. They are both similarly ranked and I think their reputations are just about the same, their matchlists looked pretty similar. Also, unless you're a PA resident the costs are the same too. I like the city of Pittsburgh more than I like Cleveland, but I haven't spent enough time in either city to really have much insight. I think you can make your choice by looking at the biggest difference between the schools: the curricula. Pitt uses the 6 week blocks where you study just one subject at a time, and Case uses more of the organ systems based approach. It seems to me like it would be tough at Pitt to retain any information over the long term for a subject like anatomy if you are learning over such a short period of time, but I guess you could make the case that that is true at any medical school because of the volume of material we must learn. I think they both have similar amounts of PBL and lecture. You just have to pick the school that you think fits your learning style best, you can't go wrong either way.
 
go to PITT!!

I was at second look and had a blast! That beer pong really kicked my A$$ though!

Pitt is sweet, the people there def. know how to have fun!
g'luck, maybe I'll see you next year.
H----
 
i can't shed any light on pitt, but i've been working and taking grad classes at case this year and will be in the med class this fall. i basically selected this place as my #1 choice after a couple waitlists last year primarily for the reason that there is so much flexibility. the electives during years 1 & 2 are available in literally every field of medicine and year 3 rotations can be done at any of four different hospitals (+henry ford in detroit, so five). we can also develop electives into "focus" areas over the 4 years that essentially amount to a major. an example is the "brain attack" module where you attend some didactic lectures on stroke, see patients as they present in the er, see some neurosurg and critical care, do a little outpatient follow up, and during the 4th year teach a little to 1 & 2 students to get ready for teaching as a resident. so you focus on stroke but get exposed to stuff relevant to at least five or six specialties. as far as differences in teaching, i really doubt there's much difference between case and pitt besides the presentation style. i have been told that the mcat/usmle correlations don't hold up at case person to person as directly as they do at some other places. no idea why. anyway, between those two schools, i'd just focus on the advantages and select the things that seem best fit to your desires.
 
anyone know how long you get to study for the boards at Case? I know at Pitt they give you TEN WEEKS!

Thanks for the input, people. The only reason I'm still trying to figure out WashU is to figure if I really want to put effort into getting off of the waitlist. It seems that would be the only way I could, because there are so many people on it. Plus, just in case I was called off of it after May 15th, I should be ready to tell them if I want the spot or not, because I could only hold one school at that time.

So keep it coming. These insights are good for me.
 
Hey KBCoch,

As you already realise this is a win-win-win decision as all of these schools really are great. That being said, if I were waitlisted at WashU and accepted to Case and Pitt I would probably be doing everything I could right now to get in off that waitlist.

The reason I say this is that WashU really is an incredibly (and I mean *incredibly*) dynamic place. It is also a place with a huge focus on getting the students involved. If your interests are research its almost easier here to find paid research positions than to fall off a chair. On the other hand if you are interested in primary care they also have paid summer primary care experiences that you can do. In addition you should bare in mind cost. WashU's fees may be steep but it's FA is some of the most generous out there, so even those without merit scholarships usually do quite well. Pitt and Case both have merit scholarships but talking to their respective FA offices, unless you get one of those few then they don't have so much other money to give out.

I initially applied to all these schools. I think they are all outstanding. But if I were picking just one, WashU would be a clear winner for me. Good luck wherever you go 🙂
 
Bump. Anyone else have thoughts?


Hey, Dr. O!
 
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Originally posted by Doctor Octopus
Boy Wonder...

were you at Pitt's second look?

he was sick as a dog so couldn't go. poor boy wonder 🙁.
 
I don't know anything about Case, so I can only compare Wash U to Pitt. The thing I personally was worried about at both schools was quality of life, in terms of the city and the students. I was really impressed by the students at Wash U -- it seemed that they worked hard, but that they also really knew how to have fun. And I think that St. Louis and Pittsburgh are pretty comparable, both are mid-Western in character and have some cute areas that would be nice to live and/or hang out in.

I second boy wonder's opinion... if I were in your position, I would do all I can to get in off Wash U's waitlist. It just has such an amazing reputation and so many clinical research and community service opportunities that, unless your life is very stressful right now, I think it's worth the extra effort to give yourself a shot at having Wash U among your choices.
 
hey kb and all,

i am currently a first year here at Pitt and although i really don't have much info on case, i was in a similar decision crunch last year and i can tell you why i chose pitt. environmentwise, pittsburgh is actually a really fun city. sure it is no nyc, but it has its charms and there is plenty to do. secondly, i really liked the curriculum and the teaching here. yes we only do one class at a time, but the classes relate to each other and important details come up again and again. for example, we learned about all the immuno stuff before christmas, but we are once again talking about integrins in our hematology class. the administration is pretty great too. they really take care of us. finally, go where the students are the coolest. i love my classmates and they are very laid back. sure there are the overly ambicious, but no malicious people. med school is tough; go where you think you will be happiest where you like the people and are going to thrive. i don't think you can make a wrong decision. hope this helps and best of luck with your decision.
 
Hey, Dr. O or anyone else from the Cleveland area: how is the bus system in Cleveland? I thought the bus system in Pittsburgh was pretty adequate, and I liked the idea of having a car, but being able to take the bus to school everyday for free. I've heard that most people who live in Cleveland heights drive or walk to school at Case. Is it because the bus system isn't convenient to ride it to school, or you'd have to pay for it everytime?

Thanks, all.
 
um, the bus system in cleveland is awful. the routes are weird and don't make much sense, and buses only run for certain hours, and then they change their routes and you either can't get anywhere, or you have to switch multiple times. The routes also don't seem to go to places that you'd actually want to go to as a student. The RTA train system is also there and runs limited hours too. Overall I was NOT A FAN. Get a car is what I'd say. Case undergrad built in this fee where you get unlimited RTA rides (bus and train) included since we already had to pay $25 for the pass built into our fees. I haven't even picked mine up yet, since I know i'll never use it. You'll be lucky if the bus even runs a route from your place to campus.
 
I was just browsing the Peterson's guide and noticed that it says that Case holds class six days a week. Call me mis-informed, but do Case students go to class on Saturdays in the first two years?
 
CWRU does not have classes on Sats anymore. They did until about 5 years ago so that we can always be done around noon. Also don't believe admissions when they say that you will be done at noon. With electives and other patient items you will usually be done mid afternoon or evening.
 
If you are interested in EM you may like to know that Case has a couple of outstanding hospitals that it works with. You will have clinical opps in nation's largest emergency department.

I don't really know alot about Pitt but if you have any other questions about Case (I'm a first year)
feel free to contact me...

[email protected]

good luck
 
Well, Pitt also has a very well known and respected EM program. Infact I think it is one of the leading programs (although EM programs seem to be highly regulated and so more uniform than some specialties as far as residencies go).

WashU also has a brand new EM residency program which promises to be good, but is of course as yet still establishing itself. (I'm not knocking Cases EM - also good - just trying to point out that all three would give ample opportunities in this field, so probably shouldn't be the deciding factor).

Thats the problem with 3 great options - 2 tough decisions 😉
 
True. All in all I would tend to agree with pipper. Find a school where you like the students, where you feel you would feel comfortable. Some people need the competitive atmosphere to give them that extra edge, others prefer a more low key cooperative learning environment...

Case tends to be really laid back, and the students help each other learn the material. good luck
 
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Well, right now my decision lies more between Pitt and Case. I can't put my finger on why I'm not feeling it for WashU. Something in my gut just makes me feel like I would fit better at Pitt or Case. I'm not even in at WashU anyway...

Pitt and Case are so neck-and-neck in this process that it just comes down to tiny little details. I feel like I'm slightly leaning toward Pitt, but I went to second look at Pitt and Case doesn't have one, so that probably gave Pitt the upper hand just because I have more of a "feel" for it now.

I heard that Case's anatomy labs are pretty old and outdated/poor lighting... this true?

And can someone help me out with Case's curriculum? I know Pitt does one class at a time. How many "classes" or "subjects" does Case tackle at once? There are "committees?"

Thanks, everyone. This is helping.
 
I don't know all that much about any of these schools, but I just like to offer up some advice. When thinking about choosing schools, it seems that a lot of people tend to focus on aspects of the preclinical years. While those are important, I think it is more important to ascertain the quality of the clinical training.

For instance, how nice the anatomy lab is doesn't really matter in the end. Things like this don't really matter when it comes to how solid of a physician you will be when you leave medical school. You want to go somewhere that has excellent clinical opportunities, the funding for clinical/bench research and international experience, early clinical exposure (if you are into that sort of thing), excellent teaching hospitals, and a solid residency program where the residents have a reputation for being excellent teachers. The majority of what you learn (in terms of knowledge and experience necessary to the practice of medicine) will happen on the wards. So, I'd do some homework, make some phone calls, talk to FOURTH years, and talk with residents (if possible) about their opinions of the clinical nature of their program.

Things I'd think about when considering aspects of the preclinical years are:
1. early clinical exposure - This is a great thing! Interviewing and examining patients as a first year medicine starts the ball rolling that much earlier. Learning how to write up notes early on in your training will help you a lot and prepare you for third year a little better.
2. style of curriculum - It is hard to say exactly what style fits you best until you have tried all of them, but most people tend to have a hunch. Do you like lots of lecture? Do you like being tested on only one subject at a time? Do you like integration (organ-based) of many subjects? Do you like small groups and problem-based learning? Do you like Pass/Fail, or things like H/HP/P/F which actually equal A/B/C/F? Write down the things you want in a curriculum and then figure out which school comes closest to your priorities.
3. the administration - are they flexible? are they receptive to student input? This one is VERY important - are their opportunities to shadow physicians and be mentored?
4. duration - my program has us starting on the wards in April of our second year (also means we take the boards in April too!) this gives us a longer fourth year where we can take vacation, do away-rotations, have international experiences, etc.

Some other things to consider: location, cost (financial aid), history of graduates matching, and whatever else you can think of.

Basically, it comes down to a very personal experience. But in thinking about what medical school will give you the most opportunities, it is most important to determine which one is the strongest clinically (assuming you want to practice when you are done). Anatomy labs are important to consider, but in the longrun that factors in for a very limited amount of time while in medical school.
 
Thanks, Souljah. I appreciate your advice. I guess my situation is that everyone seems to rate the clinical training at Case and Pitt as pretty equal. For that matter, my biggest dilemma is that the two schools seem pretty equal in almost every sense. I know that both schools will most likely be good for me. I'm just trying to figure out which would be the best for me by any small measure. And small measures seems to be what it is coming down to. I just want to make my decision with a really solid footing, feeling that this is definitely the best school for me. Things being so even-keel right now just makes me uneasy. I don't want to end up frequently wondering next year if I made the right choice. I'm searching for anything that will make me more comfortable choosing one school over the other.

Getting the different perspectives from people about the pros/cons of each school is helping. It makes me think about some things I may not have considered. So if there is more out there to be shared, no matter how small, please let me know. I'm taking whatever I can get.
 
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