Case vs. UMDNJ

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Since I know this combo hasn't been done yet on SDN, I was wondering what people's opinions are on both Case and UMDNJ? I obviously know there is a price difference, so that is already on my shortlist of pros and cons. However, I am more interested in clinic, classes, test schedule (block or not) time off studying for boards, class schedule, student life, living situation, etc. Thanks in advance everyone!
 
All i know is this. Case has the name. and UMDNJ is dealing w/ some serious stuff. that has happened in the past, in dental school.

I heard in one of my interviews that their dean has to defend the school along w/ 4 other dental schools, regarding cheating in their school.

Other than that best thing to do is, take a RETOUR again. It might sound stupid but who knows what you might like. talk to students there.
 
All i know is this. Case has the name. and UMDNJ is dealing w/ some serious stuff. that has happened in the past, in dental school.

I heard in one of my interviews that their dean has to defend the school along w/ 4 other dental schools, regarding cheating in their school.

Other than that best thing to do is, take a RETOUR again. It might sound stupid but who knows what you might like. talk to students there.

Thank you peanutb123 for your input!! That is very true that Case has the name. I've realized that while I've told friends and family where I got in lol. They've been like UMD...what?? I didn't know about the whole cheating scandal though! Since you brought this up, I've been talking with my parents about a retour over winter break. I'll keep you posted on what I decide. For now, I'm leaning towards Case. 👍
 
Price is on the short list? What are predents thinking these days?

No brainer: Go to the cheapest school!

Case has a big name? Am I confused. Name in dentistry isn't worth the extra dollars. Both are reputable schools.
 
Price is on the short list? What are predents thinking these days?

No brainer: Go to the cheapest school!

Case has a big name? Am I confused. Name in dentistry isn't worth the extra dollars. Both are reputable schools.

You are absolutely correct.

But here is the deal... UMDNJ people are welcome to attack me(other than my huckleberry fin english) and post useful insight about this...

Yes cost is a factor, where as NAME* is NOT. Name means nothing as long as you dont graduate from the school w/ didnt have any scandals.

if you google UMDNJ up... regarding cheating etc... and if you look at the community service that it "forces" its students do as a result of it (look at it in their curriculum). You will know exactly what i am talking about. BTW yes that was the deal cut by umdnj at the meeting.

Forget that for now. Most of the bad name for UMDNJ received is from its hospital ex. scamming medicare or medicaid, hiring doctors w/o any sort of research experience as prof. even though they dont teach a single class so that they can "refer" their patients to UMDNJ.

I even heard couple of dentists in a dental office stating that they wouldnt like to hire UMDNJ grads b/c they dont want to take a chance. JUST b/c of these types of incidents this schools has a bad rep.

Now you tell me... which one would you choose.

When i referred to NAME, i am not talking about the brand. like niki or rebok they both get you to the same place and they are just shoes. I am talking in a sense of maxima vs. impala. Both are cars, even though they are built equally one company has bad rep.
 
I agree that the "name" of a dental school doesn't add anything to the value of the education I'd get at either school. I would have no idea where my dentist went to school unless I asked lol. I purely meant that even the dentists I told where I got in didn't recognize UMDNJ. Case has a very good reputation and I like that not everyone going there will be from the same area of the country. They didn't even talk about the "mandatory" community service at UMDNJ's interview 😱 (not that I dislike community service or anything), just the fact they didn't address it even with a positive spin is a bit off-putting...
 
I agree that the "name" of a dental school doesn't add anything to the value of the education I'd get at either school. I would have no idea where my dentist went to school unless I asked lol. I purely meant that even the dentists I told where I got in didn't recognize UMDNJ. Case has a very good reputation and I like that not everyone going there will be from the same area of the country. They didn't even talk about the "mandatory" community service at UMDNJ's interview 😱 (not that I dislike community service or anything), just the fact they didn't address it even with a positive spin is a bit off-putting...

its a deal that the dean made in the meeting when questioned about the cheating...

Its not something positive if you look at in a sense that they are trying to cover themselves... So that they can be re-approved for the license.

Hey if you want some more fun facts google them up. They were even taken over by federal judge due to soo much corruption. Now tell me if case has something like that.
 
so i was really leaning towards going to umdnj, but after reading this thread i'm not so sure anymore.

when did these scandals happen? will it really affect how we're seen as dentists? besides these scandals, do you guys think there is anything wrong with the education there?
 
so i was really leaning towards going to umdnj, but after reading this thread i'm not so sure anymore.

when did these scandals happen? will it really affect how we're seen as dentists? besides these scandals, do you guys think there is anything wrong with the education there?

Sh** if people are gonna post like this then i will never express my opinions/FACTS...

please DONT MAKE DECISIONS based on one THREAD. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. SOME Of the stuff that i have said can also be gotten/derived (for the lack of better word) from other schools deans who were at the meeting.

Google is the best place to start your research, and if you have connections to deans talk to them who were at the meeting.

Well scandals happen all the time. Just b/c couple people or a group of people do wrong does not make everyone guilty.

for your q. regarding how will it affect how you are seen as dentist?
it depends on your audience. If they read news papers and remember this stuff. the you are obviously stereotyped into this category even though you have nothing to do w/ this.

Regarding the rest of your questions... you have to do your own research.

But i will tell you this. They do produce dentists who are successful and fully capable. I think
 
apparantely the mike tyson/ 50 cent hybrid is angry it didn't get accepted to UMDNJ. Case is cool....if you like mormons
 
apparantely the mike tyson/ 50 cent hybrid is angry it didn't get accepted to UMDNJ. Case is cool....if you like mormons


I thought Case wasn't all mormons anymore, and that was in the past...can anyone confirm that the class has become more diverse?

Peanutb was just trying to give some objective information to me and others about UMDNJ; the only reason the dude got upset was because someone was going to change their mind based solely on this input. I know someone who currently goes to UMDNJ and loves it, regardless of the cheating scandal, but I just wanted more perspectives on my potential choices.
 
apparantely the mike tyson/ 50 cent hybrid is angry it didn't get accepted to UMDNJ. Case is cool....if you like mormons

Um...... You will be surprised. forget it.

BACK TO THE TOPIC.

ALL YOU COULD SAY IS MAKE A SMART AS8 comment but YOU never ever could prove that i was wrong. Could you prove what ever i said was wrong? I was waiting for SOMEONE(may be students) IN UMDNJ to say i was wrong, and provide me w/ some sort of data.

But, man i was soo exited that someone has replied but when i open this tread i was very disappointed, to see this, is that all you got YOU SERIOUS....

3 words: do your research

Thats the best that you got to attack me w/. B/C "i didnt get into that school?" haha

one more thing if you go look at any of my threads i only help people from bottom of my heart but never ever use political techniques to diverge anyone for my personal gain. even in this thread i have warned the guy who said after hearing all this stuff they might change their mind. I said dont rely on online forums do your own RESEARCH. Anyways if you have some valuable input please post. B/c, I was lead to do this research for MY OWN PERSONAL gain b/c of the stories i heard from couple dentists. Did not want to believe it was true. So googled the hell out of it.

ps. While we are at it get your eyes checked its only 50 cent no mike tyson. I would suggest that you get it before your 3rd year b/c thats when you start to see patients. SCARY

you wouldnt want to be the person to create another scandal... would you "Blind dentist pulled the wrong teeth" read all about it
 
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You guys are putting too much weight in this cheating scandal issue. In a few years, it will be all forgotten and business will be as usual.

Just like any corrupt Wall Street investment bank or pro athlete who's guilty of something, they all rise back to the previous top status and no one really cares about the past.

By the time you graduate from dental school, this will be an afterthought.
 
You guys are putting too much weight in this cheating scandal issue. In a few years, it will be all forgotten and business will be as usual.

Just like any corrupt Wall Street investment bank or pro athlete who's guilty of something, they all rise back to the previous top status and no one really cares about the past.

By the time you graduate from dental school, this will be an afterthought.

Not everyone is aware of these incidents. For reference, there is a PG1 pediatric resident from UMDNJ here at Columbia and she is a bright gal. It's no indictment on the quality of all of their students. However, academic cheating is just one among several scandals at their school. If you think it's no big deal, that is fine. However, how they treat/safeguard their patients, students, their integrity, and their reputation speaks to the school itself. For instance, some of the largest pharmaceutical firms in the country are relatively close to UMDNJ. When you look at such a proximity to large companies with other schools, they are rolling in donations. At UMDNJ, not really really much except for Delta Dental, which might give you an idea. Columbia is rolling in it and it's not because it is a private school -- other public institutions around the country are receiving donations even during these anemic economic environs. This gives you an idea about the health of an institution as a whole. When someone has multiple acceptances, stuff like this might be looked at and it is thrown out there on sites like this. If UMDNJ was the only school someone got into though, they'd be foolish not to go.
 
You guys are putting too much weight in this cheating scandal issue. In a few years, it will be all forgotten and business will be as usual.

Just like any corrupt Wall Street investment bank or pro athlete who's guilty of something, they all rise back to the previous top status and no one really cares about the past.

By the time you graduate from dental school, this will be an afterthought.

You are absolutely correct. I am just stating cheating as an example there are other ones

For ex: this link alone provides ~20 stories on all sorts of scandals there are many more online google UMDNJ scandals
http://www.nj.com/news/umdnj/

BUT... You are right about the part where only one cheating scandal is related to dental school. The rest is about corrupt people who are running the school/Hospital.

To be fair you need to look at all the good things that are unnoticed with UMDNJ dental school does.
There are much more google them 😛

here is a link: http://search.nj.com/umdnj+dental?date_range=all

every school has its good side and bad side. It depends on the individual to make a good decision and they need to be informed about the schools before they make a decision.
 
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