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Which med schools are Catholic affiliated? Do they give some kind preference to Catholics? There's no box on AMCAS for religion.
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Tropicana100 said:
There's no box on AMCAS for religion.
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I'm glad there isn't....just gives something else for them to use to discriminate against you. Now I just wish they stopped asking about race, ethnicity, and gender, too.👎
 
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Loyola, SLU, Creighton, and Georgetown are all Catholic. No they don't give preference to Catholics. No they don't push religion on anyone. You can be any religion you want and still be happy at these schools.
 
Seems like race is more often used to define diversity than religion. wonder why...
 
spospo said:
Loyola, SLU, Creighton, and Georgetown are all Catholic. No they don't give preference to Catholics. No they don't push religion on anyone. You can be any religion you want and still be happy at these schools.
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NYMC is Catholic too, I believe.
 
spospo said:
Loyola, SLU, Creighton, and Georgetown are all Catholic. No they don't give preference to Catholics. No they don't push religion on anyone. You can be any religion you want and still be happy at these schools.
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Cool thanks. Haven't looked at SLU yet, so I might find something I like from their mission statement.
 
Perrotfish said:
I think it might make sense to ask about religion: your beliefs define you as a person and will also affect your professional behavior to some extent (For example, abortions and stem cell research are out for devout Catholics). Instead they ask about race, gender, and ethnicity, which have no bearing on who you are as a person.
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I totally agree with this. Some secondary essays ask about how you contribute to diversity via ethnicity, race, upbringing, etc. I would define myself as Catholic before any race or ethnicity. My ethnicity has little influence on my career goals, dreams, or values. As second generation, I'm plain ol' American (I'm just stuck with the race I was born with).
 
I think one thing to consider here is that people switch their religions and alter the intensity of their beliefs quite frequently. I know someone who was a Muslim and eventually became a Christian preacher, for example. You can't, however, alter your race or your socioeconomic upbringing.
 
jochi1543 said:
I think one thing to consider here is that people switch their religions and alter the intensity of their beliefs quite frequently. I know someone who was a Muslim and eventually became a Christian preacher, for example. You can't, however, alter your race or your socioeconomic upbringing.
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For some people, their belief system/values may play a more important role in defining them. Race is a social construct. It's influence on your life is directly related to your environment. If discrimination/bias is present, then race will play an important role in your social development. However, in its absence, race is simply a meaningless label defined by skin/hair color. Although I have experienced some discrimination in my life, it hasn't bothered me enough to negatively affect my ability to function in society. In conclusion, race/ethnicity is an important consideration for many people, but not for everyone.
 
Actually, I have heard that they consider the school you attended (Catholic vs. Non-Catholic)
 
Perrotfish said:
For example, abortions and stem cell research are out for devout Catholics
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I don't understand why non-politicians keep asserting this untruth. We're talking about a particular kind of stem-cell research here. Please, you know this.
 
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Perrotfish said:
Could I get partial credit for a Catholic High School?
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Episcopalian here.:scared: The Reverend said they were very tolerant of other religions, and it's true - he let the Muslim girls not sing hymns....me, the die-hard atheist? He'd just elbow me continuously once the music started playing.:laugh:


Guess who won't be donating to their high school...EVER.:meanie:
 
Many people are under the false impression that devout Catholicism means no contraception, no abortion, no stem cell research. While these are the official positions of the Vatican, this does not reflect actual practice of most American Catholics (conscience comes before religious law). For example, I believe contraception is not a sin - it allows for control of one's life, essential for developing moral character. Also, I believe that life does not begin (biological and spiritually) until implantation of an embryo to a mother's endometrium. Catholics are a diverse group with varied beliefs. People tend to make assumptions based on stereotypes.
 
Perrotfish said:
Have to disagree with this. Roman Catholicism is, by definition, the set of beliefs set forth in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by the Vatican. This unwavering and unvarying insistence of their moral code is the reason I love the Catholic Church: you can't just go down the road to another priest, or just 'search your conscience', until you find a set of beliefs that is more convinient to you. Now you can certainly have a set a beliefs that do differ from the Church, and you can believe that these beliefs are inherently superior to the beliefs set forth by the Church, but you can't call that Roman Catholicism.
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Disagreeing doesn't mean I think my belief is superior to anyone else's. I am a strong supporter of the Catholic Church. I was raised Catholic, studied at a Catholic high school and Sunday school, go to Mass, partake in the sacraments, had religious philosophy discussions with priests. I believe every word of the Nicene creed and my personal opinions do no conflict with it. If I'm not Catholic then what am I?
 
cafeteria Catholic? 🙂

seriously though, that's why Catholicism is such a difficult religion. I love it, but it's non-negotiable.
 
Perrotfish said:
Have to disagree with this. Roman Catholicism is, by definition, the set of beliefs set forth in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by the Vatican. This unwavering and unvarying insistence of their moral code is the reason I love the Catholic Church: you can't just go down the road to another priest, or just 'search your conscience', until you find a set of beliefs that is more convinient to you. Now you can certainly have a set a beliefs that do differ from the Church, and you can believe that these beliefs are inherently superior to the beliefs set forth by the Church, but you can't call that Roman Catholicism.
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I second this. You posted to dispel myths about Catholicism...but they aren't myths. Every belief system has variation at the personal level, but ultimately Catholicism as a religion is defined by the Vatican. I believe the reason Perrotfish used the word "devout" was to distinguish between someone who follows the Vatican 100% and someone like yourself who has somewhat different beliefs. It doesn't mean you're not devout as far as your own beliefs go...but since your personal beliefs directly contradict some beliefs of the Catholic church, one could not realistically assign the words "devout Catholic" to you.
 
kypdurron5 said:
I second this. You posted to dispel myths about Catholicism...but they aren't myths. Every belief system has variation at the personal level, but ultimately Catholicism as a religion is defined by the Vatican. I believe the reason Perrotfish used the word "devout" was to distinguish between someone who follows the Vatican 100% and someone like yourself who has somewhat different beliefs. It doesn't mean you're not devout as far as your own beliefs go...but since your personal beliefs directly contradict some beliefs of the Catholic church, one could not realistically assign the words "devout Catholic" to you.
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Interesting points...I guess it depends on how you define "Catholic." If the Church officially removes members based on disagreements, I'm not sure what their religious status would be. I could be wrong, but I am under the impression that Catholics who use non-natural contraception still define themselves as Catholics. Many gay people also consider themselves Catholics. Who's to say whether or not your a Catholic? Any ideas?

Here's an interesting article:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed.../03/05/should_liberals_leave_catholic_church/
 
The Church: if you honor *all* that comes with being Catholic, you are. If you don't, you aren't. The latter is a cultural affiliation, the former religious.
As for gay members, as far as I know there's no problem as long as they are celibate. Non-natural conception is unfortunately out -although I read somewhere about a Cardinal from South America pushing for condoms to be allowed to stop the spread of disease.

Apart from being mildly mocking in tone, the article raises one valid point - the Church is dealing with centuries of teaching, not the news item of the month.
 
spospo said:
Loyola, SLU, Creighton, and Georgetown are all Catholic. No they don't give preference to Catholics. No they don't push religion on anyone. You can be any religion you want and still be happy at these schools.
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I go to Loyola.
If you talk about the Catholic and/or Jesuit mission in your interview at these places, you will score major points. It will make it seem more sincere if you are catholic or maybe worked at a catholic hospital, etc.
 
irisheyes48 said:
The Church: if you honor *all* that comes with being Catholic, you are. If you don't, you aren't. The latter is a cultural affiliation, the former religious.
As for gay members, as far as I know there's no problem as long as they are celibate. Non-natural conception is unfortunately out -although I read somewhere about a Cardinal from South America pushing for condoms to be allowed to stop the spread of disease.

Apart from being mildly mocking in tone, the article raises one valid point - the Church is dealing with centuries of teaching, not the news item of the month.
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Yeah, Catholicism is huge in African countries where AIDS is prevalent. The moral decision is tough in the case when obeying a direct Church order results in the decimation of families. The strictness of the Catholic Church is where its strength lies, especially in a slowly evolving millenium. The Second Vatican Counsel sought to adapt on a few important issues, many of which are still debated. Society's evolution has been exponential since 2000, resulting in even more unanswered questions.
 
Tropicana100 said:
Rhythm method (the only acceptable contraception by the Church) seems to be a thing of the past for Catholics. Do you think women disagree with the position of the Church, or do they agree but blatantly violate it?
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I think that most Catholics, myself included, take what the Church says with a grain of salt. I know a family who was on the "rhythm method," they have 9 kids and counting--need I say more? Catholics I know, especially my family, take tradition more seriously than the actual tenets of the Catechism (the catholic book edited by the pope on specific right and wrong actions, you can find it on the web).

If you've decided to break with morality by trolling African clubs (or whatever they have there) then by all means use a condom. Heck, use a whole hazmat suit. Contraception is only a sin within the context of marital relations, outside of that the other immoralities sort of drown out the contraception issue.
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That couldnt be further from the truth. The Catholic church has declared condoms innately evil. They don't do that with anything else. Outside of marriage, condom use compounds with the sins of adultery, etc. The reason why is because the Church believes that sex is a tool to be used only for procreation. If you are having sex without the intention of procreating, then the Church says your actions are immoral. Infact, you arent even supposed to receive Communion after comiting adultery (which includes premarital sex in the catholic definition) until having confessed your sins (in reconciliation).

Google: "The Catechism of the Catholic Church" for more information
 
Decicco said:
I think that most Catholics, myself included, take what the Church says with a grain of salt. I know a family who was on the "rhythm method," they have 9 kids and counting--need I say more? Catholics I know, especially my family, take tradition more seriously than the actual tenets of the Catechism (the catholic book edited by the pope on specific right and wrong actions, you can find it on the web).

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I'm on the same page as you here. I don't take every word of the Catechism literally (even the Bible for that matter). I don't feel that this makes me any less of a Catholic. It's hard to believe that that 1 billion Catholics in the world all believe in every tenet of the Catechism (most are in poor countries w/o eduation and don't even know what it is). They are bound by the Catholic faith, and not necessarily the Catholic religion (as defined by the papacy).
 
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_18_35/ai_54117579
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1252/is_n17_v123/ai_18783814

"The human condition thus finds itself between these two poles - universality and particularly - with a vital tension between them; an inevitable tension, but singularly fruitful if they are lived in a calm and balanced way" (n. 7). "To cut oneself off from the reality of difference - or, worse, to attempt to stamp out that difference - is to cut oneself off from the possibility of sounding the depths of the mystery of human life" (n. 10).
--Pope John Paul II

Maybe we are trying too hard to stamp out differences. We are all Catholics, yall. 😀
 
Decicco said:
That couldnt be further from the truth. The Catholic church has declared condoms innately evil. They don't do that with anything else. Outside of marriage, condom use compounds with the sins of adultery, etc. The reason why is because the Church believes that sex is a tool to be used only for procreation. If you are having sex without the intention of procreating, then the Church says your actions are immoral. Infact, you arent even supposed to receive Communion after comiting adultery (which includes premarital sex in the catholic definition) until having confessed your sins (in reconciliation).
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If you've ever been through pre-Cana, you'll know this isn't true. We were taught that God wants us to love each other to glorify Him. Meaning sex without intending to procreate (otherwise why would the Church be OK with the rhythm method in the first place?) is fine (and fun, I might add).

Digging deeper, the Church condemns prophylactic and medicinal contraception because it feels that it is a form of abortion - the sperm is stopped from fertilizing an egg and therefore a pregnancy that "should" happen is aborted.

Confessing your sins to receive communion is not strictly a Catholic thing. However, the point being that the bread wafer represents the Body of Christ, and how can we receive Him when we have knowingly sinned and have not repented?

Catholicism does have a lot of rules, but they weren't randomly put in place. There are reasons, but not everyone agrees with them.

For example, I'm Catholic, and married (in the church), and I take the pill. Partly because we don't want children right now and partly because my monthly visitor kicks my @ss when it comes and the pill helps a lot.

I'm not a big fan of extremely organized religion, and I see a lot of negatives with the positives in the Catholic church and other highly organized denominations. But I also think that humans are extremely selfish and try to negate and poo-poo Christian teachings to justify their own selfishness (me included). Being a "good person" is not just enough, but one must believe in Christ and the message he brings, which means accepting all His teachings, not just ones we agree with.

This will probably touch a nerve with some - I'm just offering another opinion.
 
Tropicana100 said:
Who's to say whether or not your a Catholic? Any ideas?
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Man (and woman) is born with sin and has the nature to sin. So it goes without saying that you can believe the Catholic doctrine and try to follow it and still stray with sin.

The word Catholic means "universal". Meaning the Church accepts all and endeavors to help them follow the path to Christ. We WILL fail many times, hence the nature of man, but recognizing Jesus' ultimate sacrifice and God's Grace allows us the opportunity to reach Heaven.

One is not "kicked out" for sinning. Not even heinous sins such as abortion and murder. The Church is always waiting with open arms to receive you, but the most important things are to recognize your sin and confess it to Christ. Confession with a priest helps to have someone to actually talk to and sort through things with.

Even excommunication is not permanent - it technically serves as a way for someone who repeatedly sins to wake up to what they're doing.

Unfortunately there are too many historical cases of priests up to Popes abusing their power and putting a bitter taste in people's mouths about Catholicism.
 
megboo said:
The word Catholic means "universal". Meaning the Church accepts all and endeavors to help them follow the path to Christ. We WILL fail many times, hence the nature of man, but recognizing Jesus' ultimate sacrifice and God's Grace allows us the opportunity to reach Heaven.
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Yes! The true definition of the Catholic faith. The "universality" of God. God came to earth through Jesus, meaning that the divine is here on earth. Everyone experiences the divine in our lives in different ways. We are all on a search for God, a search that is very mysterious. Science is the search for truth. Art is the search for beauty. Religion is the search for God. St. Thomas Aquinas believed that God, truth, and beauty were synonymous. We are all searching, we all suffer, we all need company. This commonality ties us together as the Church of Christ. Catholicism is about acceptance, love, and communion with those around us.

megboo said:
If you've ever been through pre-Cana, you'll know this isn't true. We were taught that God wants us to love each other to glorify Him. Meaning sex without intending to procreate (otherwise why would the Church be OK with the rhythm method in the first place?) is fine (and fun, I might add).
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Agreed! 😀 Marriage is a sacred bond between a man and woman. The more important role of sex is an act of love between husband and wife. The secondary role of sex is act of creaction. Both are sacred. It's ludicrous to believe that the Catholic Church requires us to have a child every time we have sex.
 
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