Catholic Ob/Gyn programs?

[Soapbox123]

I'm doing a project on the intersection of religion and medicine, especially the topic of Catholic hospitals and the delivery of medical services. Of course, many of the hot issues are in the Ob/Gyn field, so as a first step, I was trying to find a list of Catholic Ob/Gyn residency training programs.

Anyone have such a list? Or know where I can go to find such a list?

(Please don't flame me - I'm just trying to get the data I need for my project!😕 😕 )

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[tiredmom]

I'm not sure of an easy way to find this. A high number of the Catholic hospitals have the word Saint ..... in the name of the hospital. A complete list of programs is Frieda off the AMA website, but I don't know that there is a search by name feature without going in by state. You may just have to click all regions and scan for names??? Anybody else have a better idea?

I'm a MS4 applying this year and I interviewed at 2 catholic hospitals (listed below, so if theres any questions I can answer for you, I'd be happy to try) - PM me. Interesting topic for a paper.
St. Vincent Hospital in Indianapolis
Exempla St. Joseph Hospital in Denver

 

[drmom2007]

I interviewed at St. Francis in Hartford, CT. Any questions let me know? Great idea!

 

[EcuadorDoc]

Anyone have such a list? Or know where I can go to find such a list?
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If you do find such a list, please let me know, because I'd like to apply at those programs! You'll find that most Catholic hospitals follow the Catholic Directives, although to what degree and with what spirit are the points in question. Some "faithful" programs that I've heard of are Georgetown, Sisters of Mercy in Buffalo, NY, St. Francis in Chicago, St. Joseph in Chicago, St. Joseph in Houston...if I think of any more, I'll let you know.

 

[BayAreaOB]

Loyola University in Chicago

 

[Messerschmitts]

I'm not sure of an easy way to find this. A high number of the Catholic hospitals have the word Saint

Ha ha ha Funny cause it's true. SLU has a programme, and they're St. Louis, but of course that's Saint for another reason.

 

[montessori2md]

Georgetown is Jesuit, which some catholics would argue is only sort of catholic, but med students kvech all the time about the fact that you can't learn abortion there, have to go off-site.

FYI, as I was told when going through the premarital counseling stuff at my church, true catholics not only won't use birth control (other than rhythm) but also won't use fertility treatments (IVF, hormones) for the same reasons -messing with God's plan. lots of stuff on the internet.

 

[cubsrule4e]

hey, MS-II here with a developing OB interest...going along the lines of this thread, but not limited just to catholic programs, what are the rules concerning participation in abortions during residency? Do most programs allow you to decide whether or not you want to participate (for example, because of your religious beliefs) or is it part of the medical training that you are expected to perform?

 

[vegetables]

Everywhere I interviewed at you can "opt out" of physically doing abortions, but you still have to be trained in knowing how to counsel as well as manage post-op complications of terminations (whether they be spontaneous or elective).

 

[Wanna_B_Scutty]

hey, MS-II here with a developing OB interest...going along the lines of this thread, but not limited just to catholic programs, what are the rules concerning participation in abortions during residency? Do most programs allow you to decide whether or not you want to participate (for example, because of your religious beliefs) or is it part of the medical training that you are expected to perform?

Hey cubs,

Not only are you not required to participte in abortions, but you are also permitted to refuse to refer for them if they are in violation of your beliefs (and you can also refuse to "refer for a referal" as stipulated in point 2 of the 1995 Act). Any school/program that attempted to "force" you to do either would be in danger of losing its federal funding. The relevant laws:

Medical Training Discrimination Act of 1995
`ABORTION-RELATED DISCRIMINATION IN GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES REGARDING TRAINING AND LICENSING OF PHYSICIANS
`SEC. 245. (a) IN GENERAL- The Federal Government, and any State that receives Federal financial assistance, may not subject any health care entity to discrimination on the basis that--
`(1) the entity refuses to undergo training in the performance of induced abortions, to provide such training, to perform such abortions, or to provide referrals for such abortions;
`(2) the entity refuses to make arrangements for any of the activities specified in paragraph (1); or
`(3) the entity attends (or attended) a postgraduate physician training program, or any other program of training in the health professions, that does not (or did not) require, provide or arrange for training in the performance of induced abortions, or make arrangements for the provision of such training.

Hyde-Weldon Ammendment
(1) None of the funds made available in this Act [the federal Health and Human Services appropriations bill for Fiscal Year 2005] may be made available to a Federal agency or program, or to a State or local government, if such agency, program, or government subjects any institutional or individual health care entity to discrimination on the basis that the health care entity does not provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions. (2) In this subsection, the term "health care entity" includes an individual physician or other health care professional, a hospital, a provider-sponsored organization, a health maintenance organization, a health insurance plan, or any other kind of health care facility, organization, or plan.

 

[cubsrule4e]

thanks Scutty! 👍

 

[vegetables]

I agree with the above poster's comments about the laws, but just understand that you can't 100% not be trained in abortions in residency (at least everywhere I interviewed at this was true) - meaning yes of course you can choose not to do them, but you are required to be trained to deal with the post-op stuff that can go wrong - because even though you may choose not do terminations you can be on call when a septic woman walks into the ER because someone else did, and when you get paged you have to be able to manage it appropriately.

I guess I'm just reiterating that so you aren't handed any surprises or anything (some people may even be uncomfortable with the above, and should just know that about themselves I guess prior to making a career choice), not to change any minds or anything like that. Good luck with your decisions!

 

[Wanna_B_Scutty]

I agree with the above poster's comments about the laws, but just understand that you can't 100% not be trained in abortions in residency (at least everywhere I interviewed at this was true) - meaning yes of course you can choose not to do them, but you are required to be trained to deal with the post-op stuff that can go wrong - because even though you may choose not do terminations you can be on call when a septic woman walks into the ER because someone else did, and when you get paged you have to be able to manage it appropriately.

I guess I'm just reiterating that so you aren't handed any surprises or anything (some people may even be uncomfortable with the above, and should just know that about themselves I guess prior to making a career choice), not to change any minds or anything like that. Good luck with your decisions!

I understand and would never object to a requirement that all residents be trained in dealing with post-abortion complications. But, for whatever it's worth, I can't imagine any pro-life student objecting to such training. For me, at least, being pro-life means caring for all life: and that certainly includes the life of the mother, no matter what she may have just done. 👍

 

[cubsrule4e]

I agree with the above poster's comments about the laws, but just understand that you can't 100% not be trained in abortions in residency (at least everywhere I interviewed at this was true) - meaning yes of course you can choose not to do them, but you are required to be trained to deal with the post-op stuff that can go wrong - because even though you may choose not do terminations you can be on call when a septic woman walks into the ER because someone else did, and when you get paged you have to be able to manage it appropriately.

I guess I'm just reiterating that so you aren't handed any surprises or anything (some people may even be uncomfortable with the above, and should just know that about themselves I guess prior to making a career choice), not to change any minds or anything like that. Good luck with your decisions!

Well post-op care is post-op care, and while im sure there are different risks for different procedures, caring for the mother after an abortion is just like caring for anyone after any other surgery...its the actual intent/abortion itself that is the moral issue, at least for me. Scutty made a good point with the pro-life stance and helping the mother regardless of her decision

 

[vegetables]

I was just pointing it about b/c a lot of people don't think post-op care is just post-op care in this situation - they want to avoid the whole thing entirely. It's good you guys don't.

 

[Mr. Itchy]

No true catholic should deny care to a woman with post-op complications. If her act was a sin, it is for God to judge. It is your job to provide care to a person in need.

I run into religious people who think they know for certain what God's plan is or who is going to hell. Certainly no human has the authority to even guess.

 

[kelaskov]

Medical Students for Choice has an online database regarding abortion training at Obgyn and family practice residencies around the country. The database is not complete but it may help you.

http://www.ms4c.org/resguide-ob.shtml

If you are currently an Obgyn or FP resident, please add information regarding your residency program.

 

[kelaskov]

I'm not sure of any of these Obgyn programs are Catholic...

Wow what an amazing program!
http://www.familyplanningfellowship.org/

 

[pillion]

For those interested in OB in the context of Family Medicine, check out the program in Front Royal Virginia where the program director would support you if you want to practice as an NFP-only physician.

I've heard that SUNY Buffulo has a program director who also supports NFP-only docs. http://www.chsbuffalo.org/body.cfm?id=1938

Also, take a look at http://www.tepeyacfamilycenter.com/ to see what can be possible as a Catholic Ob/Gyn

See portavitae.cl to see what's happening south of the border in Santiago, Chile.

Also take a look at onemoresoul.com

 

[pillion]

I'm not sure of any of these Obgyn programs are Catholic...

...take a guess.

 

[MedGrl@2022]

Any new updates on this for medical students who are Catholic and interested in Ob/Gyn?

 

[anonperson]

Any new updates on this for medical students who are Catholic and interested in Ob/Gyn?

Being Catholic and getting trained in OB GYN has a lot of variability. As far as I am aware, what specifically are you not wanting to do?

If it is elective terminations, you should be fine at most programs with not performing them. No program will force you to but some programs are fairly outspoken on their stance and are very pro choice. UCSF comes to mind. A resident who doesn't want to perform terminations would probably stick out. When I interviewed at Bronx Lebanon (BronxCare now) one of the attendings spoke about all the surgical experiences interns received and all of the elective terminations they performed etc.

Regarding birth control, that is a different story and would be difficult to completely avoid. A fair amount of patients present for birth control management, counseling, sterilization set up etc.