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I just got an advertisement in the mail for two no-call civilian contractor physician positions for Naval Medical Center Portsmouth that were $70,000 more than I make on active duty. The requirement is only 3 years of experience. It would be very interesting having active duty and civilian physicians working in the same office with that kind of pay gap. I'm wondering if this means the military is going to change the way physicians are paid?
 
I just got an advertisement in the mail for two no-call civilian contractor physician positions in the mail for Naval Medical Center Portsmouth that were $70,000 more than I make on active duty. The requirement is only 3 years of experience. It would be very interesting having active duty and civilian physicians working in the same office with that kind of pay gap. I'm wondering if this means the military is going to change the way physicians are paid?

The more likely change is a switch to all contractors.
 
this happens all the time in the AF. They are typically one year contracts. Anesthesia, heme onc, cardiology all had civilian contractors making more than the active duty people. Sometimes the guy gets out of the military and starts working the next day as a contractor for higher rate. He is already credentialed....how does the active duty counterpart feel about it? Well if the military wasn't rightsizing people out and refusing to retain people they wouldn't have the problem. How would you like your counterpart to take no call, walk out of the hospital at 430 whether there are problems, patients stacked up, and staying behind while you are deploying? When you Sentra next to their Lexus SUV you may get a little aftertaste.
 
I just got an advertisement in the mail for two no-call civilian contractor physician positions in the mail for Naval Medical Center Portsmouth that were $70,000 more than I make on active duty. The requirement is only 3 years of experience. It would be very interesting having active duty and civilian physicians working in the same office with that kind of pay gap. I'm wondering if this means the military is going to change the way physicians are paid?

umm...maybe i'm missing something, but this has already been happening for quite some time. i personally know that this is happening at 2 major army medcens. i can't say for sure what the civilian radiologists are making, but i'm pretty sure that it's a lot more than the AD attendings.
 
I just got an advertisement in the mail for two no-call civilian contractor physician positions in the mail for Naval Medical Center Portsmouth that were $70,000 more than I make on active duty. The requirement is only 3 years of experience. It would be very interesting having active duty and civilian physicians working in the same office with that kind of pay gap. I'm wondering if this means the military is going to change the way physicians are paid?

70,000 more is not that much more....

A full benefits package ...health,dental, 401k,malpractice....costs around 70,000 a year....
 
The "ED" where I'm working tried to staff its positions with civilian contractors. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but they didn't offer enough, as their only two takers were totally incompetent. This time they're offering more...hoping to attract EPs. That means they've got to offer at least 70K more than they're paying me for any emergency physician to look at them.
 
I just got an advertisement in the mail for two no-call civilian contractor physician positions in the mail for Naval Medical Center Portsmouth that were $70,000 more than I make on active duty. The requirement is only 3 years of experience. It would be very interesting having active duty and civilian physicians working in the same office with that kind of pay gap. I'm wondering if this means the military is going to change the way physicians are paid?

the USAF at my clinic started doing that 3 years ago. And yes, they screwed that idea up as well. Initially they (the civ hires) were to be "back-fills" covering for the docs deployed etc. Instead they fully empanneled those new civilian docs.

The problem was that despite having no call, and no collateral duties, the clinic conditions were so bad (there were other considerations as well) 8 out of 9 civilian docs quit/left. And who do you think was left covering for their patients? Oh by the way, 100% of the civ nurse staff also quit during my 3 years at that base, 100% !!!!!!

The last 2 docs civ that left were not replaced for a year (why replace the docs...save that civ contractor pay and let those "salaried milmed docs" see em'

our base was still enrolling new patients to the clinic to the civ docs that no longer even worked there.

And then there is the story of the doc they hired to replace both Int milmed docs (when they closed that billet). They hired a physiatrist with NO INT med clinic experience, and when that floundered, who do you think had to review all the civ med docs charts and review/see their patients.....right again, those "salaried milmed FPs".

there really is no end to the wonderful stories you'll have to tell your grandkids about after just one tour in a USAF Primary Care clinic.

In the USAF, there certainly is "something in the air", and it is alot closer to barney/huggies diaper full of doodoo than a plan for a successful primary care platform. :laugh: 😍
 
I just got an advertisement in the mail for two no-call civilian contractor physician positions in the mail for Naval Medical Center Portsmouth that were $70,000 more than I make on active duty. The requirement is only 3 years of experience. It would be very interesting having active duty and civilian physicians working in the same office with that kind of pay gap. I'm wondering if this means the military is going to change the way physicians are paid?

(holding my nose)

Reek of Putrefaction (Cover by Carcass/orig: ILLDISPOSED)​

Snorting the stench of latent effluvium
And maturing damp fumes
This foul menage forces tears to your eyes
As the corpse's gas are exhumed....
Intoxicated by foul body odours
And the nauseating tepid whiff
Pinching your nostrils as you irrigate flatus
From the emaciated stiff...

Volatile entrails fume and steam
As they're meticulously hacked during discission
Evaporating sludge and bubbling pus -
A rotten gaseous expiration...

Fair use quote from:
http://www.sinteticor.com/artist_i/..._of_putrefaction_cover_by_carcass_lyrics.html

This is no change. It is, as I state above, merely the effluvium from the rotting Medical Corpse.

Lookit...

A senior LtCol USAF anesthesiologist colleague of mine, who was jerked around to no end at Travis for standing up for quality care, came to Andrews, then got out after ca. 10 years. He then came back, virtually the next day, as a civilian contractor, getting paid (sit down, please, if you compute standing) $250,000.000 MORE than I was getting paid as a LtCol anesthesiologist. Do the math: $400,000.00 plus for 40 hours of work per week, plus:
1) call only when he wanted extra dough
2) no threat of sand-filled vacation
3) no need to pee in cups
4) no need to listen for a telephone or real recall
5) Get Out of Jail Free card for around 50% of our military-specific training bull hockey (still had to do the other half [HIPPAA, MTM, etc.]).
6) Ability to wear cool civilian wear (shorts, polo shirt) to work, rather than annoying polyester (remember, they forbade us from wearing BDUs for a while, so it didn't seem as though we were at WAR or anything).

The problem with being a contractor is: the government is full of *****s who screw up contracts (cf. Boeing, KBR, etc.). Several months he went weeks without getting paid, because buckets of money were switched from the Squadron to the Med Group to HQ AMC to HQ AF and back, just because. Sadly, when our greedy/lazy O-6 Flight Commander finally opened her mouth and released the turgid teat of taxpayer money for doing NO work for five years straight (250-300 days/year of "TDY", "admin" = watching twins at home, or leave), she forced the powers that be to split my colleague's contract in twain. So now she works part time at Andrews and WRAMC/NHB, and he has to moonlight.

Similarly, very competent anesthesiologist, former Capt at Andrews years before, came back as contractor. After getting jerked around, contractor company changing 3-4 times in < 2 years, delays getting paid, she finally quit. She is now one of my partners at my civilian job.

Another anesthesiologist without prior military training lasted around a year; got into several knockdown/dragouts with PACU RNs, who didn't like him calling out doctor's orders from the O.R. (they wanted to take their best guess...yeah, the ones who warned me not to give morphine sulfate to a patient because she had a sulfa allergy...yeah, those ones). He's now in private practice in a hospital a few miles from me.

I won't mention the drunk contractor who nearly killed a patient by ordering fentanyl to treat the hypertension attending the patient's near-fatal hypoxic episode to a sat of 60...patient was only saved because the most excellent PACU RN outright refused to give the drug, started bagging the patient against the contractor's will, and sent a tech running to look for me instead. Of course, this RN is now out of the military, due to mistreatment and lack of respect (he had two attributes which made him unable to progress in the Nursing Corps, but he wanted to have more children, so he couldn't remove the attributes).

So thus, there is nothing new under the sun. But it still reeks. $400,000.00 per year of your taxpayer bucks...3 Major or LtCol anesthesiologists...all because of this administration's IRRATIONAL attachment to outsourcing, made necessary due to the military's complete inability to retain good physicians (active duty or contractor, but especially active duty).

See this quote from my site for more on contract abuse:
http://www.medicalcorpse.com/bottomlesspit.jpg

(still holding my nose)

P.S. Synchronicity: Just as I was gonna log off, saw this on MSNBC re: Raytheon and contract irregularities:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14704366/

Remind me again about the Core Value thing?
Oh, yeah, that's right: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=4117583&postcount=16

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http://www.medicalcorpse.com
 
I don't have time to look for it, but in the last 30-45 days I posted a direct advertisement for surgeons to work at an Army base for a large amount of money with the only requirement being 3 months??? I'm sure more forum savy people can find it. This is nothing new. Just a continuation of the decline. Don't buy that boat yet!
 
Contractors in health care is nothing new. We had contractors in the "ER" in Orlando. Hell, one would park his Porsche in the handicapped spot right next to the ER door.

I don't see the correlation between contractors getting paid more and pay increases for active duty.
 
Contractors in health care is nothing new. We had contractors in the "ER" in Orlando. Hell, one would park his Porsche in the handicapped spot right next to the ER door.

I don't see the correlation between contractors getting paid more and pay increases for active duty.

and this isnt just in medicine; I had patients (civ) that were getting paid 70,000 bucks to stand gate guard duty in Kosevo Sarajevo; standing right next to the airmen gettin 10K a year. Same job.😳
 
Just a note...
this has been going on in EVERY level... in the civ world..
I can give you hundereds of stories of nurses, techs, docs.. who quiet working of civ hospitals only to come back the very next day under some contractors title doing the exact same job for a lot more money..

Its really a global problem. I know colorectal surgeons that work for IV league inst for less then 200K a year, while their priv. collegues make almost 800K.

its easy to say, you they have a choice to leave.. and they do.. but they really don't.. its way more complicated than that.. simply because its not always just about money..

just a note..
but it does suck to make less.. so make sure you open your eyes for other opertunities.
I make about 40% more money from non-mil avenues. no i don't moonlight and no I don't EVER leave my job before 6pm... so all of you hungry limbbashing ______ out there back off..

wow.. this forum makes me so diffensive.. 🙂
ciao
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ps. I love you all. lol
 
Just a note...
this has been going on in EVERY level... in the civ world..
I can give you hundereds of stories of nurses, techs, docs.. who quiet working of civ hospitals only to come back the very next day under some contractors title doing the exact same job for a lot more money..

Its really a global problem. I know colorectal surgeons that work for IV league inst for less then 200K a year, while their priv. collegues make almost 800K.


stated in another way; the military had adopted some of the WORST aspects of the civilian world and kept the worst aspects of the military world.....that is not a very good combo.:idea: 😱 😡 👎
 
70,000 more is not that much more....

A full benefits package ...health,dental, 401k,malpractice....costs around 70,000 a year....

I agree. Plus the contractor isn't going to get a retirement package at 20 years.
 
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