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Hi All,

I'm not sure I'm in the right forum... but here goes...

A bit background about me...

I've been a software engineer for 10 years. I've just received my MBA; however, I still feel very unfulfilled. I want to change career, becoming a Dentist (what I've always wanted to do but were too afraid to pursue). I have 3 little kids (1,3,5 year old) and a supportive wife 🙂. Plus, a mortage to keep up with. I know a handful.

My education:
BS (Computer Science/3.3GPA)
MBA (3.8 GPA)

Now if I want to apply for a Dental school, I'll have to quit my job and spend two years taking prereq. And there's still a chance that I won't be accepted to any Dental school. I've been thinking about this for quite some time and decided to go for it. My prereq courses are starting in September and I'm having second thought. I'm nervous 😕. I still haven't quit my job yet, but I'll have to make the decision soon enough. Anyone here are in similar situation? Any advice? Thanks so much!
 
Can you really live three years without a paycheck? How about six to seven? If the answer is yes then do it. Otherwise, work parttime and take classes parttime. imho.
 
Hi All,

I'm not sure I'm in the right forum... but here goes...

A bit background about me...

I've been a software engineer for 10 years. I've just received my MBA; however, I still feel very unfulfilled. I want to change career, becoming a Dentist (what I've always wanted to do but were too afraid to pursue). I have 3 little kids (1,3,5 year old) and a supportive wife 🙂. Plus, a mortage to keep up with. I know a handful.

My education:
BS (Computer Science/3.3GPA)
MBA (3.8 GPA)

Now if I want to apply for a Dental school, I'll have to quit my job and spend two years taking prereq. And there's still a chance that I won't be accepted to any Dental school. I've been thinking about this for quite some time and decided to go for it. My prereq courses are starting in September and I'm having second thought. I'm nervous 😕. I still haven't quit my job yet, but I'll have to make the decision soon enough. Anyone here are in similar situation? Any advice? Thanks so much!

First of all, you can succeed at this. Based on the limited info provided the advice I would give is to consider selling your house sooner rather than later. If you live in a place where there are numerous dental schools within commuting distance then maybe you don't have to worry about moving when the time comes. But if you are serious about getting in dental school right away (after your prereqs) you will likely apply to 10+ schools and you don't want to be limited due to the fact that you have a home/mortgage. Plus, depending on your housing market in two years you may have difficulty selling it quickly.
 
Hi All,

I'm not sure I'm in the right forum... but here goes...

A bit background about me...

I've been a software engineer for 10 years. I've just received my MBA; however, I still feel very unfulfilled. I want to change career, becoming a Dentist (what I've always wanted to do but were too afraid to pursue). I have 3 little kids (1,3,5 year old) and a supportive wife 🙂. Plus, a mortage to keep up with. I know a handful.

My education:
BS (Computer Science/3.3GPA)
MBA (3.8 GPA)

Now if I want to apply for a Dental school, I'll have to quit my job and spend two years taking prereq. And there's still a chance that I won't be accepted to any Dental school. I've been thinking about this for quite some time and decided to go for it. My prereq courses are starting in September and I'm having second thought. I'm nervous 😕. I still haven't quit my job yet, but I'll have to make the decision soon enough. Anyone here are in similar situation? Any advice? Thanks so much!

Does your wife bring in any $? if not how are you going to get enough income b/c those kids are going to be expensive. Now your kids are young. If i gotta guesstimate your age you must be around 30-32 age group. so by the time you get done with dental school you will be done at 38-40. so you would have a nice 23+ years of career ahead of you. Now the best thing to do is not to jump with two feet. keep one on the ground for now.

First of all you are not sure if you can handle the science course load. Why dont you take night science classes such as bio, chem, orgo, etc... to see if you can handle them first. then decide on what action to take.
 
Does your wife bring in any $? if not how are you going to get enough income b/c those kids are going to be expensive. Now your kids are young. If i gotta guesstimate your age you must be around 30-32 age group. so by the time you get done with dental school you will be done at 38-40. so you would have a nice 23+ years of career ahead of you. Now the best thing to do is not to jump with two feet. keep one on the ground for now.

First of all you are not sure if you can handle the science course load. Why dont you take night science classes such as bio, chem, orgo, etc... to see if you can handle them first. then decide on what action to take.


You're correct. I'm 33. My wife is working full-time 🙂. We can survive about 2 years on her income + 401K and such. I thought about taking night science classes. But I think I'd do better if I'm fully committed.

Thanks for the advice!
 
First of all, you can succeed at this. Based on the limited info provided the advice I would give is to consider selling your house sooner rather than later. If you live in a place where there are numerous dental schools within commuting distance then maybe you don't have to worry about moving when the time comes. But if you are serious about getting in dental school right away (after your prereqs) you will likely apply to 10+ schools and you don't want to be limited due to the fact that you have a home/mortgage. Plus, depending on your housing market in two years you may have difficulty selling it quickly.

Yeah, the house may be a problem later on. I guess I can sell it when I'm done with prereq (hopefully the market wont be too bad).

Thanks!
 
If I were in your position, if I did not live in a state with an in-state dental school, I would move to a state with a state dental school, take prereqs part time, and apply to dental school after becoming in-state status for tuition purposes. The other approach, take all the prereqs full time then move and borrow for out of state/private school is an expensive road. If you are in a state with an in-state dental school then keep applying until you get in to your state dental school. The only other option I can see is HPSP if you qualify and go to USC/NYU.
 
Yeah, the house may be a problem later on. I guess I can sell it when I'm done with prereq (hopefully the market wont be too bad).

Your house is gonna be a big problem unless you can rent it out for even money. If you're in a nonrecourse state like Cali, you can simply walk away from your mortgage and owes nothing; but that's gonna kill your ability to get dental school loans. There's currently 2 million houses in foreclosure inventory PLUS another 2 million houses about to go into foreclosure PLUS another 7 million going into shortsell PLUS another 4 millions more in bank's shadow inventory. Prices aren't coming back any time soon no matter what government propaganda tells you.

You won't make much more initially when you graduate than what you can and will make with your engineering and mba degree, yet will set yourself back 6 years and $500,000 more in debt. Unless you're a long term laid-off with no future job prospect, I'd think and rethink and do more rethinking before jumping into dental school.
 
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Your house is gonna be a big problem unless you can rent it out for even money. If you're in a nonrecourse state like Cali, you can simply walk away from your mortgage and owes nothing; but that's gonna kill your ability to get dental school loans. There's currently 2 million houses in foreclosure inventory PLUS another 2 million houses about to go into foreclosure PLUS another 7 million going into shortsell PLUS another 4 millions more in bank's shadow inventory. Prices aren't coming back any time soon no matter what government propaganda tells you.

You won't make much more initially when you graduate than what you can and will make with your engineering and mba degree, yet will set yourself back 6 years and $500,000 more in debt. Unless you're a long term laid-off with no future job prospect, I'd think and rethink and do more rethinking before jumping into dental school.

Hi Daurang,

I find your comment very helpful. If I'm a long-term laid-off, the decision would be very easy. Quitting a *somewhat* stable job to pursue dental school is something different.

I'm not quite sure how much dentist starting salary is, but my salary is in the upper $70s (the number may be lower/higher depending on where I live - but I think it's within the expected range). Bringing more money home is always nice. But I'm looking at a bigger picture (of being a dentist):
1. Less stressful job (hopefully) and more time for my kids - I won't have to bring work home like a software engineer.
2. More respectable career - hopefully my kids can look up to me and try to achieve more ...
3. More satisfying life, doing what I've wanted to do. I'd be happier knowing i'm helping people in some aspect.
4. Software development is a very compettitive field, meaning I have to constantly learning new technologies (or I'll be obsolete quickly). It's time consuming and less time for my kids.
4. etc.

My wife and I have discussed about this for months. But I'm glad to have a forum where I can get my thoughts out. Hopefully I'll make a sound decision...

Thanks!!!
 
Hi Daurang,

I find your comment very helpful. If I'm a long-term laid-off, the decision would be very easy. Quitting a *somewhat* stable job to pursue dental school is something different.

I'm not quite sure how much dentist starting salary is, but my salary is in the upper $70s (the number may be lower/higher depending on where I live - but I think it's within the expected range). Bringing more money home is always nice. But I'm looking at a bigger picture (of being a dentist):
1. Less stressful job (hopefully) and more time for my kids - I won't have to bring work home like a software engineer.
2. More respectable career - hopefully my kids can look up to me and try to achieve more ...
3. More satisfying life, doing what I've wanted to do. I'd be happier knowing i'm helping people in some aspect.
4. Software development is a very compettitive field, meaning I have to constantly learning new technologies (or I'll be obsolete quickly). It's time consuming and less time for my kids.
4. etc.

My wife and I have discussed about this for months. But I'm glad to have a forum where I can get my thoughts out. Hopefully I'll make a sound decision...

Thanks!!!

I was in the same position and still am in the same position as you. I do the same job as you. What you said about competitive is partially true. But you have to realize that all the programming languages are the similar and you can quickly catch up.

The only reason i said dont jump in with 2 feet is you have a lot of commitments such as your kids and wife. for me there were 0 commitments. I really understand what you are going through. plus the salary that you are getting paid is kind of low b/c i assume that you stayed at the same job even after getting mba, but if you were to jump around that figure can go close to 100 or little more.

I think you are doing a great thing leaving IT b/c 1. its not stable. 2. putting up with people in management to get one single thing done takes for ever. 3. if you look at the immediate picture you are nothing to them and can replace you in a blink of an eye. 4. your work does not have any meaning b/c you only can do so much in 8 hrs. 5. if your colleagues are not doing their work properly it can be hell for you. 6. Once you hand in your work to your manager thats all the credit you will get then your manager will submit and he gets the credit of getting it done no matter how complex the program that you built is. 7. what ever you built might not be used more than couple years b/c of the dynamic nature of the business world. 8. cheap labor from countries such as India, china, Ireland helps the business to offshore their it. Ie dba admin's, qa's, programmers, etc... except for doc junkies everything goes offshore b/c they know if they let the doc junkies aka sys analysts offshore no one would understand their English. plus you will never know when you will be let go of. i can go on and on on why i switched fields. but the main thing for you to do now is have a plan.

you said you going to spend 2 years on getting your pre-reqs done. I HIGHLY suggest that you take upper level bio classes such as biochem, micro, anat & phy I&II & one more upper level bio classes including your pre-reqs. as these are the requirements for many dental schools. You have to work really hard in the pre-reqs as most of them people consider them to be weed out courses? dk why but you have to study hard to get really high gpa. I hope your bach. and MBA is from accredited school not one of those online schools or not one of the degrees Specially for your work place b/c if you do then you have to contact schools on how they look at those.

make sure to take your pre-reqs in a 4 year univ. And remember the journey that you have chosen is going to be an expensive path. So make sure to save ~10k for applications and traveling expenses when you apply to d-schools. you have to tell us more such as what program and what classes you have been registered for and your 2 year plan for us to suggest you if you are doing it properly and not just jumping around.

there are couple other it guys here dentalworks is also an it guy. if you dont mind me asking what is your specialty you said you were a software engineer but what exactly do you do just curious.
 
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What is it with IT people?

Every "computer person" I know hates the job after about 5 or 6 years. They are all making good money but have to force themselves to work everyday.
 
I thought after 10 years you'd be making at least $100k as an engineer. Your salary is too low so you should go ahead and take a few upper division science courses to see how you like it. I told my best friend in CompE and cousin in ChemE to quit their job for dental school but they both insisted they don't like and can't handle it. I was in EE and find the engineering courses more difficult than dental school courses. I guess you should give it a try or forever regret it. I didn't care for dental school; I simply quit EE midway and applied to dental school just to be with the love of my life. The love didn't quite worked out though.
 
I was in the same position and still am in the same position as you. I do the same job as you. What you said about competitive is partially true. But you have to realize that all the programming languages are the similar and you can quickly catch up.

The only reason i said dont jump in with 2 feet is you have a lot of commitments such as your kids and wife. for me there were 0 commitments. I really understand what you are going through. plus the salary that you are getting paid is kind of low b/c i assume that you stayed at the same job even after getting mba, but if you were to jump around that figure can go close to 100 or little more.

I think you are doing a great thing leaving IT b/c 1. its not stable. 2. putting up with people in management to get one single thing done takes for ever. 3. if you look at the immediate picture you are nothing to them and can replace you in a blink of an eye. 4. your work does not have any meaning b/c you only can do so much in 8 hrs. 5. if your colleagues are not doing their work properly it can be hell for you. 6. Once you hand in your work to your manager thats all the credit you will get then your manager will submit and he gets the credit of getting it done no matter how complex the program that you built is. 7. what ever you built might not be used more than couple years b/c of the dynamic nature of the business world. 8. cheap labor from countries such as India, china, Ireland helps the business to offshore their it. Ie dba admin's, qa's, programmers, etc... except for doc junkies everything goes offshore b/c they know if they let the doc junkies aka sys analysts offshore no one would understand their English. plus you will never know when you will be let go of. i can go on and on on why i switched fields. but the main thing for you to do now is have a plan.

you said you going to spend 2 years on getting your pre-reqs done. I HIGHLY suggest that you take upper level bio classes such as biochem, micro, anat & phy I&II & one more upper level bio classes including your pre-reqs. as these are the requirements for many dental schools. You have to work really hard in the pre-reqs as most of them people consider them to be weed out courses? dk why but you have to study hard to get really high gpa. I hope your bach. and MBA is from accredited school not one of those online schools or not one of the degrees Specially for your work place b/c if you do then you have to contact schools on how they look at those.

make sure to take your pre-reqs in a 4 year univ. And remember the journey that you have chosen is going to be an expensive path. So make sure to save ~10k for applications and traveling expenses when you apply to d-schools. you have to tell us more such as what program and what classes you have been registered for and your 2 year plan for us to suggest you if you are doing it properly and not just jumping around.

there are couple other it guys here dentalworks is also an it guy. if you dont mind me asking what is your specialty you said you were a software engineer but what exactly do you do just curious.

I've listed all the reasons why I should quit my job 🙂. I used to develope small web applications. Now, I'm working for a large company, adding enhancements and fixing bugs for existing software the company sells.

As for the prereq courses, I've already had a one-on-one meeting with the director of admission at the nearby dental school (which I want to apply for). I've also talked to a counselor at the near by university (where I will be taking prereq). Got all the courses mapped out and when I should take them, etc.

Now it's just the matter of go or no go. And I'm just nervous...
🙂
 
I thought after 10 years you'd be making at least $100k as an engineer. Your salary is too low so you should go ahead and take a few upper division science courses to see how you like it. I told my best friend in CompE and cousin in ChemE to quit their job for dental school but they both insisted they don't like and can't handle it. I was in EE and find the engineering courses more difficult than dental school courses. I guess you should give it a try or forever regret it. I didn't care for dental school; I simply quit EE midway and applied to dental school just to be with the love of my life. The love didn't quite worked out though.

Ahh! Sorry to hear that didnt work out 🙁. Are you a dentist now? How do you like it?

You know, the "regret" part is what I dont want to experience. Imagine when I'm 40 and looking back. I may "regret" that I didnt have the gut to go ahead with the plan 🙂
 
I've listed all the reasons why I should quit my job 🙂. I used to develope small web applications. Now, I'm working for a large company, adding enhancements and fixing bugs for existing software the company sells.

As for the prereq courses, I've already had a one-on-one meeting with the director of admission at the nearby dental school (which I want to apply for). I've also talked to a counselor at the near by university (where I will be taking prereq). Got all the courses mapped out and when I should take them, etc.

Now it's just the matter of go or no go. And I'm just nervous...
🙂

you got your mba w/ 3.8 how hard can couple undergrad science class can be. you can easily do well in them just study hard. Nothing to be nervous. If you go to a big univ. there will be more people like you. coming back to school. nothing to be nervous. good luck in your journey.
 
I was in the same position and still am in the same position as you. I do the same job as you. What you said about competitive is partially true. But you have to realize that all the programming languages are the similar and you can quickly catch up.

The only reason i said dont jump in with 2 feet is you have a lot of commitments such as your kids and wife. for me there were 0 commitments. I really understand what you are going through. plus the salary that you are getting paid is kind of low b/c i assume that you stayed at the same job even after getting mba, but if you were to jump around that figure can go close to 100 or little more.

I think you are doing a great thing leaving IT b/c 1. its not stable. 2. putting up with people in management to get one single thing done takes for ever. 3. if you look at the immediate picture you are nothing to them and can replace you in a blink of an eye. 4. your work does not have any meaning b/c you only can do so much in 8 hrs. 5. if your colleagues are not doing their work properly it can be hell for you. 6. Once you hand in your work to your manager thats all the credit you will get then your manager will submit and he gets the credit of getting it done no matter how complex the program that you built is. 7. what ever you built might not be used more than couple years b/c of the dynamic nature of the business world. 8. cheap labor from countries such as India, china, Ireland helps the business to offshore their it. Ie dba admin's, qa's, programmers, etc... except for doc junkies everything goes offshore b/c they know if they let the doc junkies aka sys analysts offshore no one would understand their English. plus you will never know when you will be let go of. i can go on and on on why i switched fields. but the main thing for you to do now is have a plan.

you said you going to spend 2 years on getting your pre-reqs done. I HIGHLY suggest that you take upper level bio classes such as biochem, micro, anat & phy I&II & one more upper level bio classes including your pre-reqs. as these are the requirements for many dental schools. You have to work really hard in the pre-reqs as most of them people consider them to be weed out courses? dk why but you have to study hard to get really high gpa. I hope your bach. and MBA is from accredited school not one of those online schools or not one of the degrees Specially for your work place b/c if you do then you have to contact schools on how they look at those.

make sure to take your pre-reqs in a 4 year univ. And remember the journey that you have chosen is going to be an expensive path. So make sure to save ~10k for applications and traveling expenses when you apply to d-schools. you have to tell us more such as what program and what classes you have been registered for and your 2 year plan for us to suggest you if you are doing it properly and not just jumping around.

there are couple other it guys here dentalworks is also an it guy. if you dont mind me asking what is your specialty you said you were a software engineer but what exactly do you do just curious.

I'm 39, 2 young kids, married and have a mortgage. I am going to apply to my state school next summer and pray for the hail mary catch.......
We know what we are up against and it's going to suck financially. My husband is a teacher and it would be unfair to my family to apply to many schools when the reality is holding me close to home. I only pray that they accept me.
At my age going into severe debt from Columbia or NYU would not make any sense but we are willing to do the state school debt.

Who takes care of your children?

Good luck in whatever you decide!
 
I'm 39, 2 young kids, married and have a mortgage. I am going to apply to my state school next summer and pray for the hail mary catch.......
We know what we are up against and it's going to suck financially. My husband is a teacher and it would be unfair to my family to apply to many schools when the reality is holding me close to home. I only pray that they accept me.
At my age going into severe debt from Columbia or NYU would not make any sense but we are willing to do the state school debt.

Who takes care of your children?

Good luck in whatever you decide!


I am sorry. if i gave you the impression of that i am married and have kids. the op does not me. But i am 30 years old. I do understand everything that you said. I got into many dental schools this cycle for identity purposes i am not naming them.

But i do understand when you said its unfair for your family that you going to far away or applying to many schools. But you have to at least apply to 10 schools b/c you will never know. According to aadsas an avg. d-applicant applies to 10 schools so keep in mind. with preserverence anything is possible. Good luck.
 
Ahh! Sorry to hear that didnt work out 🙁. Are you a dentist now? How do you like it?

You know, the "regret" part is what I dont want to experience. Imagine when I'm 40 and looking back. I may "regret" that I didnt have the gut to go ahead with the plan 🙂

Yes and I've enjoyed it immensely.
 
I am sorry. if i gave you the impression of that i am married and have kids. the op does not me. But i am 30 years old. I do understand everything that you said. I got into many dental schools this cycle for identity purposes i am not naming them.

But i do understand when you said its unfair for your family that you going to far away or applying to many schools. But you have to at least apply to 10 schools b/c you will never know. According to aadsas an avg. d-applicant applies to 10 schools so keep in mind. with preserverence anything is possible. Good luck.

Everyone has been telling that. I appreciate your advice so much.

My husband is a tenured teacher and coach. We also own our home. Selling our home would be impossible and we owe more than what it's worth.
Finding a new teaching job would be very difficult if not impossible.....but the main thing is our home.
I could apply to schools 2 hours away but that means even less time with my kids. My answer keeps coming back as just apply to the one school that makes sense.
 
Everyone has been telling that. I appreciate your advice so much.

My husband is a tenured teacher and coach. We also own our home. Selling our home would be impossible and we owe more than what it's worth.
Finding a new teaching job would be very difficult if not impossible.....but the main thing is our home.
I could apply to schools 2 hours away but that means even less time with my kids. My answer keeps coming back as just apply to the one school that makes sense.

Basically, dental school admissions = good grades + good dat + luck = acceptance.

So if you believe you got those 3 ingredients in the bag then go head and apply to only one school. But if you do not get accepted to that school this is whats going to change.
1. grades & gpa will go up very little but not by much.
2. lose of one whole years income as dentist.
2.5 Tuition increases each year
3. Next cycle you are still not guaranteed a spot so but next cycle you will decide to apply to more schools. More money lost along with time. why not apply now if you dont get in then at least you will have a place to go.

I guess through your eyes it makes sense to apply to only one school b/c you are really worried about your family. But through my eyes its really not wise to apply to one school b/c you are limiting yourself. So if you get into the one near your house great you will just waste couple $100's. But if you dont you will be wasting more money the next coming cycle. The decision is yours.

If you have taken your dat, you can make an appointment with dean of dental admissions at your near by d-school then ask him about your situation. I can guarantee he will say to apply to more schools. Good luck.
 
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Basically, dental school admissions = good grades + good dat + luck = acceptance.

So if you believe you got those 3 ingredients in the bag then go head and apply to only one school. But if you do not get accepted to that school this is whats going to change.
1. grades & gpa will go up very little but not by much.
2. lose of one whole years income as dentist.
2.5 Tuition increases each year
3. Next cycle you are still not guaranteed a spot so but next cycle you will decide to apply to more schools. More money lost along with time. why not apply now if you dont get in then at least you will have a place to go.

I guess through your eyes it makes sense to apply to only one school b/c you are really worried about your family. But through my eyes its really not wise to apply to one school b/c you are limiting yourself. So if you get into the one near your house great you will just waste couple $100's. But if you dont you will be wasting more money the next coming cycle. The decision is yours.

If you have taken your dat, you can make an appointment with dean of dental admissions at your near by d-school then ask him about your situation. I can guarantee he will say to apply to more schools. Good luck.

I will apply June 2012 and take my DAT in July 2012. I'm still trying to figure our situation out and when it comes down to it I might just bite the bullet and apply to other schools within 1-2 hours drive (out of state). If I get denied from my first choice and accepted to 1 of the others then we have to make an informed decision at that point.
 
Everyone has been telling that. I appreciate your advice so much.

My husband is a tenured teacher and coach. We also own our home. Selling our home would be impossible and we owe more than what it's worth.
Finding a new teaching job would be very difficult if not impossible.....but the main thing is our home.
I could apply to schools 2 hours away but that means even less time with my kids. My answer keeps coming back as just apply to the one school that makes sense.

Dental school is hard enough without kids. You pretty much need to forgo your kids for a few years unfortunately. Two hours away is too far so you need to share a room next to school, then have your husband drop the kids by on weekends and vacations. It'd be great if it worked out for you but life rarely works out that way, so you take your pick and hope for the best🙁 Best of luck.
 
Hey DentalOldGuy.... I'm kinda in the same situation as you... I'm a software architect and have been working in IT for about 10 years. I graduated with both a B.S. and a M.S in Computer Science and Engineering (with a minor in Biology). I'm 35 years old and have a 2 year old...

I just registered at the community college down the road to take some refresher classes for the DAT (I probably can't take the DAT for another 2 years because of work and family)....

But anyways, kudos to you for taking the leap out of IT. Have you done any research in terms of the career outlook for dentists? I hear mixed reviews, some say that there is a high demand for dentists and others say that there are too many dentists in the market... What have you heard? I want to make sure that when I make the switch, I will be able to find a job.
 
Dental school is hard enough without kids. You pretty much need to forgo your kids for a few years unfortunately. Two hours away is too far so you need to share a room next to school, then have your husband drop the kids by on weekends and vacations. It'd be great if it worked out for you but life rarely works out that way, so you take your pick and hope for the best🙁 Best of luck.

I know, this whole thing is crazy but I know I have to at least give it a shot. If I don't get in after 2 cycles, I decided that it's a done deal and it's not meant to be.....for now, it's full speed ahead and we'll go from there.
 
Wow, I must say I admire all your dedication to the career of dentistry. I am 22 years old and deciding whether or not to go to the school I got accepted to because I would be 26 when I'm out and in a ton of debt, and right now I work as a small business portfolio specialist (approx 60k a year).

I guess it is good to look at it long term, as I am not married or have kids, or any real bills.

You just have to ask yourself if you could survive so many years on a limited time and money budget, and if you would be comfortable with $300-400,000 in debt.

As for me, I still cannot decide if I should go..hah 😳
 
I get where you are coming from - though I did not make as much as you before going for dental - I was on track to have a decent retirement from the military at relitively young age.

But honestly, at 22 you really should be thinking about your long term career plans. If you are happy in your present career I would think twice before going on to dental school. For me, I needed autonomy - you cannot put a price on being your own boss.

Wow, I must say I admire all your dedication to the career of dentistry. I am 22 years old and deciding whether or not to go to the school I got accepted to because I would be 26 when I'm out and in a ton of debt, and right now I work as a small business portfolio specialist (approx 60k a year).

I guess it is good to look at it long term, as I am not married or have kids, or any real bills.

You just have to ask yourself if you could survive so many years on a limited time and money budget, and if you would be comfortable with $300-400,000 in debt.

As for me, I still cannot decide if I should go..hah 😳
 
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hey mate,

im about to turn 30 and was in somewhat of a similar situation. i have an mba from a top 20 school , did some i banking, and resigned to take my pre reqs and apply after one semester of class. i made it in. youre an adult so treat the process like an adult and you cant fail as you are competing against a bunch of kids. If you are smart. If you arent, i hope you have a sick work ethic and/or easy professors.

come here and learn all about the admissions process. find out what you have to take, the course schedules of your local university etc. see if youre state has a dental school because the biggest limiting factor for admissions is state residency. formulate your timeline with the knowledge you gain from all this, keeping in mind deadline dates as well as matriculation. the spreadsheets on the stickies should become your best friends, and you should be able to spout off admissions information on ten different schools on a whim.

ace your pre reqs. science is harder than other majors. its going to b e very competitive where you are about to tread. if your biology program is competitive be prepared for ridiculous amounts of studying to stay on top of the class. Thats what you are gunning for - 1st or 2nd place in each science course. when you get a question wrong, you feel a physical slap in the face - you immediately want to know how the eff your neighbor got that right, because you know you put at least ten more hours into chapter 10 than he did. of course this doesnt show on your transcript but its the mindset you have to have to succeed in this situation. you dont have the luxury of failure since you have a family and are foregoing a stable income. also, admissions in the past two years has JUMPED up in difficulty. GPA's and DAT scores are on the rise. youre ace in the hole is that youre a bit more mature, you know what the real world is like, and you appreciate undergrad for the gift and vacation it is. A little bit of youre time management skills puts you in the top 15% of the class as it is.

dont worry about success - this is a self selecting process. You can do it if you want, you just have to decide if this is something you really want to do. with the TMV and current interest rates and the economy etc, this is still a very NPV positive move for you. and as you and i both know, money isnt the bottom line here, its the "what the f do i want to do the rest of my life so that im content". if you know dentistry is for you, then just do it. make sure you shadow or something for a bit, take out a few dentists for drinks, really get into their heads about their opinions on the industry.

a few tips:

-your pre health advisor is most likely going to be garbage. dont rely on their guidance for the process as they arent invested in your success. YOU find out what needs to be done, when, how, who you have to sleep with and which wheels to grease. Dont be the guy starting out your stories with "well i missed the deadline this year because my advisor..."

- screen your professors. this isnt a joust in the holy kings tourney. some schools are harder than others and their grades reflect that. an A from professor bozo is a C in madame janes. Find out and exploit these incongruencies. Dont have your transcript of hard won B's compete against your competitors easily won A's transcript. Get an advantage on the class before it starts, because once youre in you are at the professors mercy, and god help your grades if youve chosen wrongly.

-plan youre entire process out. write it down until the day you apply. this will show you what you have to do NOW to get the balls rolling on each of your plans of attack. Oh **** son, i need letters of rec for dental school. Ill need to be president of the dental club to impress the counselor who is in charge of my committee letter, i need to make besties with my organic chemistry teacher as Ive read adcoms look at my orgo grade first, I need to TA for my biology teacher because hes mormon and im applying to MWU etc.

- time your classes so that they are all in a crunched up glob on the timeline so you can take the DAT while the material is still fresh in y our mind. that way, when you spend a few weeks cramming for the DAT its review and not new. I studied 9 days for it and got 99.7th percentile. how? i had just taken the classes, and spent 16 hours everyday of that period doing the kaplan book and chads videos. i didnt want to limit my studying time but because of my timeline i had to. other students would have put it off a month or two. other students wouldnt have matriculated this year as this is a rolling admissions process. I knew that and planned accordingly.

when i started my journey...when was it...jan '10 I had no idea what i was doing. but through research and some elbow grease, with a touch of obsession and the use of these boards I made it happen. I became friends and acquaintances with many who did not. Its obvious when a group of predents/meds are in a room who will make it, who wont, and who might.

Make sure youre in the first group. Treat the process like war, and that success is youre only option and you win. excuses have a maximum effective range of zero meters. you ace the test, or you consider it a failure. because every B you are about to make is a nail in the Fail Coffin. People try and fail at this in great numbers every year, and that number is only rising. Thats not a saying i took from the internet, thats what the real stats say (ive looked at the numbers).

anywho, i had someone message me much like this at my start and he was indispensable. we both ended up getting in after many trials and twists, and are both set to matriculate this august. both are "non traditional" students as you are about to be. both rocked it.

oh, and i agree with what you want in one of your posts, dont do this part time. do it all or do it naught, you arent getting any younger.
and finally,

take a look in the mirror. are you academically capable? so many people think they are more capable than they are. dont let self deception cost you 2 years of income to find out you couldnt hack it. in your field im sure a 2 year absence would be disastrous. i had the same issue. once you leave i banking you cant go back after that long. - as sun tzu say - "every battle is won before it is fought".

a sunny disposition will only take you so far in your grueling marathons of study where your time is marked by the passage of chapters, the understanding of concepts, and the competition with your classmates and new friends.

I wish you the best of luck, and i somewhat envy the trial you are about to endure. I remember once in the infantry we were in the **** and my platoon sgt smiles at me through the rain, mud, and noise and said "soldier, you just gotta love it". That always stayed with me. So when youre knee deep in textbooks, youre chem teacher doesnt like you, your TA is trying to sleep with your lab partner and thats cool because its influencing your grade, you dont remember the difference between a mushroom and a fish because its all starting to blur, and the only relevant thing you can recall from the first unit the day prior to the cumulative final is "water is polar", well my friend you just have to love it.

Embrace the suck. PM me any time.

Regards
 
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hey mate,

im about to turn 30 and was in somewhat of a similar situation. i have an mba from a top 20 school , did some i banking, and resigned to take my pre reqs and apply after one semester of class. i made it in. youre an adult so treat the process like an adult and you cant fail as you are competing against a bunch of kids. If you are smart. If you arent, i hope you have a sick work ethic and/or easy professors.
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Embrace the suck. PM me any time.

Regards

The above post is full of win.
I'm 31 with a M.S. in Engineering and 1 kid, and I am starting school in August after a 2.5 year process of getting there.
DO NOT let this thought take root:
"...there's still a chance that I won't be accepted to any Dental school."
Getting in to dental school is not the crapshoot that a lot of mediocre students would like to believe to buffer their failure to get the job done. Ace your classes and the DAT, do enough shadowing for the program you want to get into, and develop a few personal relationships with people who are qualified to write you recommendations. Two years is plenty of time to accomplish these things.
 
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The above post is full of win.
I'm 31 with a M.S. in Engineering and 1 kid, and I am starting school in August after a 2.5 year process of getting there.
DO NOT let this thought take root:
"...there's still a chance that I won't be accepted to any Dental school."
Getting in to dental school is not the crapshoot that a lot of mediocre students would like to believe to buffer their failure to get the job done. Ace your classes and the DAT, do enough shadowing for the program you want to get into, and develop a few personal relationships with people who are qualified to write you recommendations. Two years is plenty of time to accomplish these things.

This is really some great advice. Your determination will take you far. Say a prayer and be led. Good Luck!
 
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