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I'm having a pretty tough time deciding what to do about a test I took today. Usually, if one of my friends has taken a class before I have, I ask to let me have any old tests or sample test review material, specially if the instructor is the same. I do this to get a feel for what might be on my tests and to get used to the teachers style. But today, when I was handed my test in class it was exactly one of the sample review tests the guy had given out 2 semesters ago. I went ahead and completed the test, it was an engineering math class so I derived everything in great detail to show that I really know the material. My fear is that I studied with a friend of mine for this test, and he had worked through this sample test too. He sits next to me and after the test he told me that he pretty much did everything exactly like it was on the sample test, I derived things differently. I feel pretty guilty about this because it wasn't my intention to cheat and I would've done fine on the test anyways. I was thinking of going to my professors' office and talking to him about this to maybe have him make up another test for me. Is this insane? Should I just keep quiet? Also, I don't know if other people had this sample test and I wouldn't want to ruin things for anyone else. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
My university did things differently, like if the teachers didn't keep and shread the tests from year to year, they placed a copy in the library and you could look over the old ones, but they made a new one each year, so sometimes it was helpful to study the old tests, and sometimes it wasn't. If this professor didn't hand back the material, but for some reason these sample tests were floating around, I would avoid studying them. I don't know what I would do about going to the professor. 2 semesters is not a long time, so it is weird he used the same test again. Do what is best, but if you talk to him you need to do so at a time when alone, and people aren't around. I would also do it before you get your test back and graded. Good luck, sorry about the difficult situation, I know you had the best intentions.
 
If you actually figured things out on your own and were not just reciting from memory what was on the sample test then you have nothing to feel guilty about. No doubt the professor is aware that the old tests are circulating around and for him this was not a concern. In a lot of cases you can give your students all the answers before the exam and you will not affect the average scores one bit. I wouldn't worry about it.
 
Not your fault. The prof is just lazy. If he didn't want old tests in circulation, he should require everyone to turn the exam questions in at completion. You didn't cheat, but rather just utilized resources at your disposal.
 
I agree with what Russian and lincoln said. The professor knew his exam was recycled and he probably gathered that students might and probably will get their hands on some old practice tests (which isn't cheating).

Also:
1. You didn't know the sample exam would be the same one
2. You showed you understood the material via your own derivation

So, no worries, if anything it's the professor's fault. Oh, don't go talk to the professor either. This was no mistake of yours and bringing it up to him may not result in the best consequences.
 
This happened to me in my physics class, I had three practice tests to study from and the test was a combination of those so I pretty much had the problems and the answers. I did feel bad, but at the same time teachers need to state that using old tests is considered cheating (My Biochemistry II prof did exactly that) before the test. However, I would suggest not using anymore practice tests for future exams, not only because the professor would obviously disapprove, but also because it will cause you to slack off on studying and therefore learn less.
 
Something similar happened to me as one of my stats exams had couple of questions from practice tests of another professor teaching Statistics. This other professor was much harder and posted every test online. My professor, which was a different professor, took some of the exact same questions and just put them on our exam.

These professors are lazy...
 
I don't think that the teachers should be called lazy because students decide to share old exams with friends. You can only make up so many questions for exams over the same material. I doubt that the teachers only have one version that they give every year. I'm sure they have several, of which students still get a hold of and recirculate. Some of these teachers have been working for many years. At the school I went to, the people who had old exams had them dated back to the 80s. Are the teachers expected to come up with new questions for every semester over 30 years? So don't blame the teacher, they're not the lazy ones. It's up to you whether or not you want to talk to your teacher about it. If it were me, I'd not only feel like I cheated, I'd also feel like I had an unfair advantage over other students who don't have the luxury of old exams. I know you said that you did the work, but really, if you studied the work on the old exam, then you memorized the work. It's impossible not to. The worst, most non-studious student probably would be able to pull an A on an exam that he studied previously.
 
Entirely not your fault. What if you had studied the practice problems in the book and the prof copied directly from there? I think it's exactly the same thing.
 
I bet more than 50% of the class had reviewed old tests before the exam. So I doubt you had any unfair advantage.

Also, I wouldn't go to the professor with this. I think that this would be a huge mistake. By pointing this out you are forcing him to address the fact that he's lazy and he wouldn't appreciate it.

Don't feel guilty about it.
 
This is one of those borderline situations. Cause I have been on both sides of having old tests and not having them, I know that it is a huge advantage even if the test is different. But then again how can you say that it is wrong when the professor allows people to have the old test.

I dont believe you cheated. You didnt even mean to have the same test. In this case I certainly feel that it is the professors fault for reusing a test. I am very worried that if you go by his office he may bring you up on cheating or something weird.

Professors are very strange when it comes to honesty. So dont chance him being weird about it.
 
I am going to buck the trend here. I think you should go to him and tell him exactly what happened. Point out that you did not mean for it to happen. Tell him that you would be willing to take a different exam. I would leave out the info about your friend. He will realize you did not need to come and talk with him about it and it will point out that he needs to be more careful in the future (either by collecting the exams or writing new tests each semester). It is really the most honest thing to do (even though you did not do anything wrong).
 
I never understood the idea that looking at old exams was taboo. There's the exceptional case (noted above) where a professor says "Looking at my old exams is cheating" and you're on your honor not to do so, but what's the difference between old exams and the questions in the book? If, as a professor, you aren't inclined to create new questions and don't want this years students to know what you asked lat year, then don't let people keep the exams. Simple.

A point to consider: the material is the same from one year to the next (Organic Chem I hasn't changed that much in the last 8 years or so, for example), so why not re-use questions and let the test float around? If a learning objective is to draw an Sn2 reaction, and the students know they're going to have to draw one on the test, who cares? If it's important that you know that the Battle of Hastings was in 1066, why should that be a secret?

OP - forget about it. If the professor is worried about it and your test, you'll find out. If not, I doubt calling attention to yourself is going to be of any benefit to you.
 
Yes, but what if the professor decides to take him up for cheating because he was "doing the right thing". Having to put an institutional action on your AMCAS is a death mark for admissions committees. As long as your friend did not steal his old exam, then you were not guilty of cheating. With that being said, professors are not stupid. They know old exams circulate, and if he really cared, then he would have changed the exam or kept them. You knew the material, you weren't copying it off of a scrap of paper or had the multiple choice answers memorized. He wanted to see if you knew the material and you did. Leave it at that.

If you want to warn the professor about circulating exams, I would wait until you are in medical school.
 
You didn't cheat. You used the resources at your disposal. I don't understand why professors do this. I hear about this all the time in engineering courses. They always recycle old exams. It makes the exams super easy if you can work out the old exams beforehand.

I've never had it happen in any of my computer science courses.
 
oh come on lighten up. you didnt do anything wrong. you studied old exams the questions were on there. nothing wrong with that. you didnt steal the exam. so dont worry. you def dont need to go to the professor...i dont know what hakksar is talkin about. this stuff happens all the time. the profs know the deal. OP relax..nothings gonna happen to you.
 
What I haven't seen asked or mentioned is the honor code. My school specifically states that Koofers (old tests) not given out by the teachers are a form of cheating. If your honor code says the same thing, or if your professor wrote it in the syllabus, then you were cheating regardless of how similar the tests were.
 
"Well, how do you define cheating?", they asked
"Are you sure? I don't know if this counts", they retorted - unsure at first, but with greater conviction the second time.

This is simple: it is obviously cheating, given that some people had special access, and others didn't. It just happens to be a manner of cheating that has become somewhat acceptable on college campuses. It would be easy enough to construct an analogous situation that most of those who responded with a self-validating-pat-on-the-back would find abhorrent.

I realize that moral relativity is en vogue in certain circles, but I'm quite sure those with the aforementioned responses aren't versed enough with them to make a stand for their collectively vapid arguments.

I'm not recommending a course of action; it just pains me to see such confusion over something so simple. It's ok. You have been socialized to be unclear on this issue. Most people are morally flexible. So you cheated. Self-flagellation is your choice, do what you will.

I feel for those of you in a quandry over this, it must be difficult being so conflicted over a definition.

Hope that Helps

P 'Honors in Empathy' ShankOut
 
AlternateSome1 said:
What I haven't seen asked or mentioned is the honor code. My school specifically states that Koofers (old tests) not given out by the teachers are a form of cheating.

More schools should do this.
 
I wouldn't tell him because I really wouldn't care. Is it the right thing to do? Maybe. What's the best thing that could happen? You get a pat on the back? And how about the worse thing that could happen? He accuses you of cheating for not telling him about it as soon as you saw the problem during the exam and you have to go through a judicial process? Now of course this would be totally ridiculous and unjust, but stranger things have definitely happened. You know your prof better than any of us, so you should know how he'll probably react, but I would just let it go. If he was worried about it, he wouldn't let people keep their exams.
 
As long as your friend did not steal his old exam, then you were not guilty of cheating. With that being said, professors are not stupid. They know old exams circulate, and if he really cared, then he would have changed the exam or kept them. You knew the material, you weren't copying it off of a scrap of paper or had the multiple choice answers memorized. He wanted to see if you knew the material and you did. Leave it at that.

If you want to warn the professor about circulating exams, I would wait until you are in medical school.

The first line is amazing. The rest is icing. It must be a f'cking trip to be you. Every med school lets in an off applicant, and I suppose Drexel happened to draw the shortest straw.

Let me underscore that impunity isn't of concern to me. Stupidity is.

Hope that Helps.

P 'Can I Take it to the Bridge?' ShankOut
 
You know, some profs actually suggest using old tests to geta feel for the material that is important. Otherwise you collect every single exam before people leave after they see their grades. This is what my gen chem prof did, he made sure all labs and exams were recollected. It was clear that he recycled exams because of that and the fact that once he had something on an exam that we didnt remotely cover in class or assign homework problems on (this is strange for this prof). It's damn simple, if you think using old exams is cheating because you're going to reuse the questions then COLLECT THEM AND DONT LET THEM OUT INTO CIRCULATION. It is not hard to get copies of old exams from students, they are readily available.

Don't feel guilty! Now you know that this prof recycles, so dont use tests for it again. There's no need to tell the prof too much at risk for some moral afterglow. I dont see anything wrong with using old exams if they are out in circulation, profs that recycle circulating exams are in the minority i've discovered.
 
oh come on lighten up. you didnt do anything wrong. you studied old exams the questions were on there. nothing wrong with that. you didnt steal the exam. so dont worry. you def dont need to go to the professor...i dont know what hakksar is talkin about. this stuff happens all the time. the profs know the deal. OP relax..nothings gonna happen to you.

First off, I do not think the Op did anything wrong . . . there was no way to know that the exams would be the same. I also do not think that anything will happen to the Op if he doesn't tell the proff. However, the most ethical thing to do is come out with the fact that identical tests are in circulation. Since everyone is convinced that going to the proff puts the op at risk of being accused of cheating (which I still doubt) then maybe the Op should anonymously come forward. A good way for the Op to do this would be to go to the University Ombudsperson. This person is required to be confidential. The Op could just ask the Ombudsperson to discuss the issue with the Proff. Another way would be to send an anonymous letter to the proff. Regardless, ignoring the situation is unethical despite the fact that the proff is just lazy for not collecting exams or writing a new test.
 
You know these are all great points and all seem to have validity behind them. I threw out my idea on the situation also, but at the end of the day you are the only one you have to answer to. So, I say do what feels right for yourself. There seem to be numerous ways to fix the situation.
 
thanks for all of your replies. I want to make clear that the test I had was a "sample" test that he handed out for review before an actual test 2 semesters ago. I feel pretty guilty because my test today was complete cake after having worked through the problems, I couldn't help having the whole thing pretty much memorized. After the exam I spoke to other students in my class about how they felt about the test and most agreed it was difficult, I really don't think anyone else had this practice test in their hands, my friend who handed it down to me is pretty weird about keeping every single piece of material from his previous courses. I feel confident that if I was to ask the proff. to make a new test for me I would ace it, I was more than ready for this test. BUT, I have no idea how he will react, what if he makes the whole class take the test over or something? or accuse me of cheating? I just have no idea what to do. Also, this was the first test for this class so he doesn't know what type of student I am, he could easily suspect something is up if the only two out of a class of about 40, who scored a perfect 100 on the exam, are friends and sat next to each other during the exam. Thanks again for your replies.
 
indianboy said:
"Well, how do you define cheating?", they asked
"Are you sure? I don't know if this counts", they retorted - unsure at first, but with greater conviction the second time.

This is simple: it is obviously cheating, given that some people had special access, and others didn't. It just happens to be a manner of cheating that has become somewhat acceptable on college campuses. It would be easy enough to construct an analogous situation that most of those who responded with a self-validating-pat-on-the-back would find abhorrent.

I realize that moral relativity is en vogue in certain circles, but I'm quite sure those with the aforementioned responses aren't versed enough with them to make a stand for their collectively vapid arguments.

I'm not recommending a course of action; it just pains me to see such confusion over something so simple. It's ok. You have been socialized to be unclear on this issue. Most people are morally flexible. So you cheated. Self-flagellation is your choice, do what you will.

I feel for those of you in a quandry over this, it must be difficult being so conflicted over a definition.

Hope that Helps

P 'Honors in Empathy' ShankOut

Way to inject your "argument" with a bunch of $20 words to make it sound legit. You accuse us that consider this situation classified as non-cheating of trotting out empty reasoning, yet your own discourse is entirely conclusory in nature. The only remotely valid support you give is that some people didn't have access to the old exam. Yet this is rather flimsy reasoning in itself, when you boil it down. What about those who participate in study groups with friends? Those who can afford special tutors? People who can afford extra study guides? Not every student has equal access to these resources either. So by your definition, these are also cheating.

Here is my favorite part:
It would be easy enough to construct an analogous situation that most of those who responded with a self-validating-pat-on-the-back would find abhorrent.

If it is so easy, why didn't you educate us with such an example?

Pretty verse in itself does not result in a strong argument. Come back with some actual meat to your flowery drivel before you accuse everyone else of being morally bankrupt.
 
Conquistador said:
thanks for all of your replies. I want to make clear that the test I had was a "sample" test that he handed out for review before an actual test 2 semesters ago. I feel pretty guilty because my test today was complete cake after having worked through the problems, I couldn't help having the whole thing pretty much memorized. After the exam I spoke to other students in my class about how they felt about the test and most agreed it was difficult, I really don't think anyone else had this practice test in their hands, my friend who handed it down to me is pretty weird about keeping every single piece of material from his previous courses. I feel confident that if I was to ask the proff. to make a new test for me I would ace it, I was more than ready for this test. BUT, I have no idea how he will react, what if he makes the whole class take the test over or something? or accuse me of cheating? I just have no idea what to do. Also, this was the first test for this class so he doesn't know what type of student I am, he could easily suspect something is up if the only two out of a class of about 40, who scored a perfect 100 on the exam, are friends and sat next to each other during the exam. Thanks again for your replies.

It's not a big deal. Of course some people on here are going to blow it way out of proportion. It's not worth the hassle of telling him you had seen the test. Especially after waiting to tell him like this, it looks like you think you did something wrong and you were hesitant to tell him. If you were going to tell him, you should have told him as soon as you saw the test. It's water under the bridge now, if he approaches you about it (less than 1% chance) then just say you don't know what he's talking about and see if he can prove it (he can't) and if it comes down to it maybe you have to take the test again (very worst case scenario). Like someone else said, maybe old tests not administered by the teacher are against honor code at your school. Or maybe it's not written, but it will be interpreted that way by the judicial council. Either way, if this prof gets pissed off about the situation (not being able to give everyone the same exam, messing up his grading scale, having to administer an extra exam, etc.) he can make your life miserable if he wants to. Just let it go.
 
1. During examinations, violations of the Academic Honor Code shall include referring to information not specifically condoned by the instructor. It shall further include receiving information from a fellow student or another unauthorized source.

This is the part of the honor code at my school that worries me. Even though the material I had was condoned by my instructor for a previous class and the test I had was specifically review material, not an actual past test.
 
It is not your fault that the teacher didn't change the test. Just because you were smart enough to look into all sources, it does not make you a cheater because he/she didn't change the exam. What if you looked at an old edition of a textbook from another author and the problems on the test were the same!

Is this an " unauthorized source " ?

Info " not condoned by instructor " ?

Be smart, utilize all sources and kick some butt as you did. Congratulations.
 
Conquistador said:
1. During examinations, violations of the Academic Honor Code shall include referring to information not specifically condoned by the instructor. It shall further include receiving information from a fellow student or another unauthorized source.

This is the part of the honor code at my school that worries me. Even though the material I had was condoned by my instructor for a previous class and the test I had was specifically review material, not an actual past test.

I would say it violates the honor code, but not in a way that's readily apparent to everyone. For this reason if you were to tell the prof I would guess he wouldn't be too upset and either not do anything or give you another test. He'd probably respect you for it too. I personally wouldn't do it, but would simply refrain from using future unauthorized material.
 
It was a sample test from a previous semester??

I dont see how a sample test could ever be seen as cheating now that I know it was a sample test! Dont worry. I agree that a sample test is no different than looking at sample questions in the back of the book.

Sounds like the professor pulled the same thing my 6th english teacher would do which is take questions from the back of the last edition of the textbook.
 
I agree with Samurai_lincoln. Your reasoning is weak, indianboy, but, worse than that, it is useless because you come to no conclusion beyond condemnation. Most people, regardless of how they have been "socialized," could probably appreciate the complexity of this "simple", allegedly cut-and-dry situation. For one, cheating usually at least connotes an intention to undermine the spirit of certain established rules, and yet this fellow has found himself in a "quandry" (at least we know you weren't referencing a thesaurus, or else you might have spelled it 'quandary') through no true fault of his own: the sample test was distributed by the teacher, and no teacher would ever knowingly distribute questions that he somehow later expected to be able to use in a closed examination. So what gives? Did the teacher make a mistake, or should he have known better?

Well, the teacher probably made a practical mistake by assuming the questions would not be in circulation AND by not saying anything about study material from previous semesters (if he failed to say it). But I'll agree with indianboy, insofar as I would personally consider it cheating if the students in question had access to previous material to which no one else had access through the means established by the instructor -- again, though, without an established rule against using previous material, it's difficult to describe his action as intentional cheating (after all, he was just looking to study the material for the next test, not to gain any unfair advantage on the test itself).

From an objective point of view, the teacher clearly has an interest in testing all of the students equally and fairly -- so regardless of his or her intentions prior to the test, anyone who found him or herself in a situation where they had an unfair advantage during the test ought to notify the teacher. Now the crux of the argument for or against describing the action as cheating hinges on whether the teacher said anything about using material from previous classes or whether an existing honor code says anything about using the material OR their conduct given the existing circumstances after the fact. Like the OP said, it's going to seem suspicious when the teacher has two great grades from the friends that sat together -- might as well rescue the good faith they might have with the prof. by approaching him first. The situation seems complex enough anyways that it wouldn't be a very open-and-shut Honor Court/University Court case, if the professor is crazy and tries to take action against them. Personally though, I think he ought to be impressed by the honesty of students who came forward in such away ... he definitely wouldn't be impressed though if the students find out he had somehow warned them not to use old material, and they hadn't listened. In that case, y'all are screwed -- if there is some kind of Univ. Court system in place though, it's fair to say they might go easier on you if you had approached the teacher yourself and plead ignorance.

anyways, indianboy -- thank your lucky stars you've settled on MD instead of JD. Law sounds like it'd be a tough field for you, not least of all because badgering isn't usually tolerated in the court room.
 
Conquistador said:
1. During examinations, violations of the Academic Honor Code shall include referring to information not specifically condoned by the instructor. It shall further include receiving information from a fellow student or another unauthorized source.

Reread the quote. I think it is only talking about referring to such information "during examinations," as in while you're taking the test. Otherwise, why would you only be able to access information "specifically condoned" by the instructor?? That sounds like a pretty restrictive learning environment for a normal class haha... I don't think it could possibly mean "regarding examinations" either... so that clause, anyways, shouldn't be damning.
 
AndyMD said:
Reread the quote. I think it is only talking about referring to such information "during examinations," as in while you're taking the test. Otherwise, why would you only be able to access information "specifically condoned" by the instructor?? That sounds like a pretty restrictive learning environment for a normal class haha... I don't think it could possibly mean "regarding examinations" either... so that clause, anyways, shouldn't be damning.

That's a good point, you read into this better than I did, thanks.
 
indianboy said:
The first line is amazing. The rest is icing. It must be a f'cking trip to be you. Every med school lets in an off applicant, and I suppose Drexel happened to draw the shortest straw.

Let me underscore that impunity isn't of concern to me. Stupidity is.

Hope that Helps.

P 'Can I Take it to the Bridge?' ShankOut

The point was that if the exam was in circulation and the friend did not "sneak" his exam out of his class when supposed to turn it in, then the OP shouldn't feel guilty about it. If his friend did take the exam when not supposed to, and he knew this, then he should feel guilty about using it. Assuming that he did not know that the professor reused exams and that the old exam was out in circulation with the professor's knowledge, then this isn't cheating. Perhaps to you it is, and to others, there are things I would never do that they would see as fine. But there's no need to call me "off". And why is it that you choose me of all the posters to call me off rather than them?

Otherwise, my old school had old exams on access in the library (as has been posted by others before me) and professors encouraged us to look over them. And some of the same questions would appear on the exam. Same goes for some courses in medical school. Heck, even for Step 1, we all do all the USMLE practice questions we can get our hands on because they are repeated.
 
he point was that if the exam was in circulation and the friend did not "sneak" his exam out of his class when supposed to turn it in, then the OP shouldn't feel guilty about it. If his friend did take the exam when not supposed to, and he knew this, then he should feel guilty about using it. Assuming that he did not know that the professor reused exams and that the old exam was out in circulation with the professor's knowledge, then this isn't cheating. Perhaps to you it is, and to others, there are things I would never do that they would see as fine. But there's no need to call me "off".


Not to put too fine a point on it, but it sounds like the moral reasoning centers in your mind were destroyed in a horrible accident. For this I am sorry.

Hope that Helps

P 'You Shall Overcome' ShankOut
 
Oh, good to know. Thanks for that.

By the way-- OP, I forgot about your friend that sat next to you. Since you did sit next to each other, and depending on how you both answered, I could see why that might be something bothering you.

I like to think that the professor would be nice to both of you if you went to him about this, but the skeptic in me thinks he could be a jerk about it (but as others have said, you probably know him better than us). I would pretty much lay out the situation-- even show him the old sample exam, stress that you both practiced this and other exams but did not physically have the material in the room with you, and then I would offer to take another exam.

Also, the point regarding them having material other people in the class did not have access to. A lot of the times, professors have favorite texts that they use questions from. So if one student used this book, and others didn't know about it, were they cheating? (just a point to ponder).
 
I wouldn't lose any sleep over what happened. To me, that isn't cheating. There was a younger gal in my Human Phys. class this past semester, and she cheated on every exam we took. She took a cheat sheet to the test every time and concealed it just enough from the prof. and used it on most every question. Now, that's cheating. I am not gonna rat her out and you may ask why? First because it isn't any of my business, second she still couldn't pass her tests, third, she isn't gonna know the material later on when it may really matter. So, unless you feel like you wouldn't have known the material from a different test, don't sweat it. :luck:
 
I wouldn't worry about it at all if I were you. It's pretty standard to look over exams from previous semesters when studying for an exam. I guarantee you that a good portion of your class studied the same way. As previous posts have also mentioned, the professors aren't that naive. They know that old exams are being utilized as study guides. At my school most of my professors gave us old exams to study off of.
 
I cannot believe all these future Physicians do not see how it is unethical to have the exact questions that are on an exam before the exam when the other students in the class do not. This is especially true in a math, engineering, or physics class where they are not testing whether you have things memorized but rather if you can derive the answer from the material given. It is an extremely unfair advantage to have the exact questions before the test if everyone else did not. That being said the op had no way of knowing prior to the exam that the tests would be the same. The most ethical thing to do would of been to tell the proff immediately. However, it is much too late to do that now. The op could go to the proff but a lot of people think the op would be at risk for reprisal. However, with the exception of the ops concern for the whole class possibly having to take the test again I have heard no arguments against coming forward anonymously. I would suggest doing that . . . the sooner the better. Even if the whole class has to take another exam it will be a fair exam for all involved. It will also give other students the opportunity to study more which if they did poorly they will be happy about.

OK, let the hakksar flaming begin.
 
hakksar, I agree with the fact that it was a huge, unfair advantage for me to have worked through the same exact questions that were on the exam. However, even though I feel extremely guilty because it would have been a challenging test, I don't feel at fault. Some would say I got really lucky, I think it's just the opposite. I feel I'm between a sword and a wall here, either way I go about handling this could end up having a negative effect. At this point, my prof has probably already graded the exams and i will find out tomorrow if he even noticed. After thinking this through, I think the prof might be reluctant to admit that he was lazy enough to use a past, completely worked out, sample test that he handed out 2 semesters ago. He'd probably rather not say anything and do things to prevent this from happening again. About what you said about this being unethical, I agree. But what was I going to do? get up as soon as he handed the exam to me and tell him that I had just worked out the same problems in the library 2 hours before? How do I know that my friend and I were the only ones who had access to the sample test? Anyone else who might have had the sample test would hold a grudge for the rest of the semester, including my friend. It was a difficult situation and I could barely calm myself down enough to write the test. Hopefully nothing will come of this, I'll follow up tomorrow on what happens when he hands the tests back. Again, thanks for your replies.

PS hakksar, coming forward anonymously wouldn't be that anonymous. It would seem obvious to the prof. that the 100 belongs to the anonymous one.
 
I agree that it might not be anonymous to the proff but as long as you don't share your score with the class no one else will know (except your friend which if he holds a grudge he is not much of a friend). Your proff would have to prove it was you and your friend which I think would be difficult even with the 100% if you came forward anonymously. It is your decision, but I was just telling you what I would do (since I have done exactly this in the past). Ultimately, it doesn't matter since you knew everything cold anyways. However, you don't want an unfair advantage for you or the rest of you class. BTW, a bunch of Air Force Cadets were just expelled from the Air Force Academy due to a situation exactly like the one you are in. They all failed to come forward and it led to them violating their honor code and being forced to resign or be expelled.
 
hakksar said:
BTW, a bunch of Air Force Cadets were just expelled from the Air Force Academy due to a situation exactly like the one you are in. They all failed to come forward and it led to them violating their honor code and being forced to resign or be expelled.

False. There was only one version of that exam (given over 3 days), and it was via computer. The early takers gave the questions/answers to the later takers. Completely different scenario from the one presented here, where conquistador had no idea what would be on the exam. You really should read our newspaper more frequently:

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E53%7E2151425,00.html?search=filter
 
We had a similar situation at our school this semester where a couple of people in the class had all of the old exams for the past few years for our physics class. The interesting thing is that a couple of students got mad about it and told the professor. He chose to do nothing about it (said that he had no proof they had the tests) other than to change up the way he wrote the tests. He did say he felt it was a violation of the honor code however, and this semester has completely changed the format of the class supposedly to try to stop that from happening. He never took tests back up from old classes either (said that he thought we needed them to study for the final) and said that he just never thought that pre-meds would do that. 🙄
 
False. There was only one version of that exam (given over 3 days), and it was via computer. The early takers gave the questions/answers to the later takers. Completely different scenario from the one presented here, where conquistador had no idea what would be on the exam. You really should read our newspaper more frequently:

I do not see how that is that different. They had the exact exam questions before the exam and did not come forward. As the Denver Post said:

" Only one version of the exam was offered for the freshman class, but it was administered over a three-day period. Officials believe that answers were passed around before the test. Numerous cadets finished the exam in less than three minutes, and many got the same one answer wrong."

This is not that different from the Op's scenario where he had the exact same questions as the exam before the exam. There might be a difference in intent. However, as my good friend who just graduated yesterday from the AF academy told me "Some of the people who are in a lot of trouble now are in trouble for not reporting the situation even though they just used the questions to study from. Everyone assumed that the tests would be different and they were just using the questions as study guides." Obviously, there is not much of a difference there. I doubt any of the cadets would of gotten in trouble if they reported the same questions immediately.
 
To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
To elude; escape: cheat death.

v. intr.
To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.
Informal. To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse.

I just copied a bunch of definitions of cheating from an online dictionary. I think the point IS intent. Am I the only one who thinks you can't cheat without intent? He didn't "violate rules deliberately." Lots of people look at old exams to do extra problems and get a feel for the style of that prof's tests. The fact that the same questions came up on the test was not the OP's fault, but the professor's for recycling questions so soon. AND, it's likely the OP and his friend weren't the only people who took the exam who had access to the old exam (many people share exams with friends).
 
Oh, and if the prof wanted to make sure the old exams weren't floating around he/she wouldn't let them. I've had profs who didn't allow students to take their exams home after they were graded, only look at them and return them.
 
I have never said he cheated (read through all my posts). However, I said it was unethical to not come forward and inform the proff (either anonymously or by just coming to the proff and telling him). I stand by that.
 
B/c I'm extremely flippant, and also an engineer, can I ask you that if you teacher held a review, and went over some "examples" that happened to wind up on your actual test, is it cheating? I mean you had acess to information that students who chose not to go to the review session did.
The way our professors handle old test sharing is one of two ways, one guy is about a zillion years old, gives a numbered mid term and final, of which you sign each and every page of it, and to review the mid term, but you can't see the final, you leave everything in this waiting area outside his office, and sit w/ him watching you while you review your test. You're not allowed to see the final, only the curved grade on it which is posted outside his office.
The other way is that these guys have resigned themselves to the fact that the stuff is out there, and some of them are tricky, adding a decimal here, other small stuff that if you went out and repeated the old exams, you'd be screwed and they'd know why. In each of my classes we've got what we like to refer to as a "point man." You know that kid who has a file cabinet of old exams and stuff going back to when the university opened. And they always know what you want if you start chatting them up outta the blue. Sometimes they share, and sometimes they don't.
If you think it's unethical, don't do it. No one made you take the old review exam from your friend. You could have chosen to pass on that. I don't think I'd tell the professor in this case, but seeing as how you can't handle the thought that it gave you an unfair advantage, i'd advise you not to do it in the future.
The thing everyone is forgetting is you said it was an engineering class, which means it was show your work or die exam. You can't just write the answer box it in and then take the "scrap paper" home. No matter what you may think, I think you earned the grade. You wouldn't be able to derive some stuff w/o knowing what you were doing.
 
First of all I never have done that (I once had the exact situation where a test from 3 years prior that I used was exactly the same). I did not come forward immediately . . . but after thinking about it over night I told the proff during his office hours and explained why I did not come forward sooner. That proff thanked me for coming forward. He said he would keep that exam scores for me and the rest of the class but write new questions for all future exams (which to my knowledge he did). As for it being an engineering course and the need to show work I have not forgotten (see my post above). I think this makes it worse because what they are testing on one of these types of test is to determine if you can derive the answer. If you memorized the exact way to derive the exact answer you have an extreme advantage (which if you went through the "practice test" an hour before you would certainly have done). In addition, it makes it really easy to check your work if you already know the correct answer. As for comparing it to a review session where a question or 2 was given away I do not believe they are the same. Everyone was invited to the review session and if they chose not to go it is their fault. Not everyone has a friend that took the class previously and the op said that only he and his friend had the test that he knows of (in fact he said it is unlikely that others did because the person he got it from kept EVERYTHING under the sun). It is still unethical but as with everything dealing with ethics it is up to the individual to determine how ethical they will be.
 
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