Chemistry Ques-Orbitals, electron density, etc.

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I'm a bit confused about how electron density/placement relates to orbital energy levels and the wave properties (node graphs) of electrons...I know this is a pretty broad topic but I don't understand these concepts as a whole.

Any help would be appreciated!

*Yalla

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I'm not totally sure what you're asking but here goes..

Quantum numbers n = 1,2,3,4 etc
these are a general indicator of the electron's energy
As each electron goes out farther ... energy decreases... that is energy of an electron with n=1 is > the enrgy of an electron with n=2...

For most compounds this is exponential (something like a constant/ N^2)... all i'm saying is that the farther you go out from the nucleus.. the less energy there is (and this decrease is exponential).

Electron density graphs are always kind of broad since these regions are just probability, however, you can understand that as energy level increases, there is a much larger region where the electron can be found b/c they are farther from the nucleus and and are less bound due to electron shielding. All this really means is density goes down b/c the physical region that electrons can occupy is much greater due to a weaker hold.

For the MCAT you really don't need a detailed knowledge of this stuff (especially something like a "node" unless it's for physics). While the electron floats around in certain quantum regions, its motion is sinusoidal (wavelike) and the node is the dead region and/or of 0 amplitude. I dunno... I'm guessing you want an explanation of those s, p, d orbital graphs in 3-dimensions?
 
Okay so i guess more specifically I'm having trouble with these concepts...
1. Wave function describes the up and down motion of the electron in its standing wave motion, right? And electron density is square of the wave function. So for the 1s this makes sense to me but for the p's, i'm a little confused. How does electron density correlate to the dumb bell shape?Why does it look like that?

2. Bonding vs antibonding orbitals. How does the movement of an electron in a wave (depending on whether it is in sync or out of sync) have to do with energy and hence bonding/antibonding? Does that make sense or am i completely confused?

This may sound overly detailed but i need to understand this or else i'm going to have a lot of nagging questions in the back of my head.

Any help would be appreciated🙂
*Yalla
 
A) Stop confusing my already tired head
B) I'll kill you for ever doing A again
C) I apologize for any threats
D) I am overcoming PTSD from the MCATs
E) You're going WAAAAY to in depth for the MCATs, gchem, ochem, bchem

As to answer your questions.. you'd probably have to take a quantum mechanics class if you want some indepth enlightenment. All that you have to know for gchem, ochem and even biochem are that there are these things called orbitals. 'Nuff said.

But as you know, it is impossible to accurately both predict the position and momentum (or is it velocity) of a single electron at any given moment. The orbitals are the mathematically derived (probably visualized as well), of where it is most likely to find an electron in orbit of an atomy at any given time. You know and love them as s,p,d, and f.

I'm ASSUMING orbital shapes are dictated in part probably by mutual repulsion properties and the attraction they have to the positive atomic core (protons). So they're probably melding into those particular shapes you study and scratch your head over like an chimpanzee based on lowest energy forms. Of course, it's been a long time since I really studied these.. so don't take my word for truth. Hell, don't even bother reading this really.

As for nodes, they're the position that is determined to probably have zero percent of finding an electron. Of course, remember that this is all probability based. Probability does not mean absolute just as the shapes dictated by s,p,d and f are just probability zones. The wave graph illustrates the nodes and the bouncing of the electron between the lobes. At the node, zero amplitude.. I don't think it doesn't mean an electron can't pass through it to get between the lobes.. it just means we can't MEASURE it.
 
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If you check the AAMC MCAT syllabus, there is no molecular orbital theory. You can save MO theory for gchem, pchem, and quantum.
 
ummm maybe im posting in the wrong lounge but i figured it was the best place to get the quest answered. im not asking this for the mcat
 
Originally posted by yalla22
ummm maybe im posting in the wrong lounge... i'm not asking this for the mcat

Really, you think that posting and non-MCAT question in an MCAT forum might be the wrong place huh?
 
Originally posted by Mudd
Really, you think that posting and non-MCAT question in an MCAT forum might be the wrong place huh?

Considering that most people in this lounge are studying for the mcat or are going to take it (and have hence taken most of the prereqs) this question has the greatest probability of being answered here..🙄
 
I'm afraid there are no particularly easy answers to the question, but i'll give it a go.

First off, the wave function does not describe the "up and down motion". The conundrum all centers around the particle/wave duality problem. When physicists were trying to characterize light, some said it travelled in particles, because it was emitted and absorbed in discrete packets of energy. Others said it traveled in waves, because it showed diffraction grating patterns of cancelation. But the waves aren't really waves in the sense of going up and down--they merely behave like waves in some experiments. Later, de Broglie decided that since Einstein showed that photons had energy and wavelengths, he could extend the theory and say that electrons and other massive particles had wavelengths, too. But the entire idea is based on quantum mechanics, and doesn't really correlate to anything that you can think of in common sense terms.

As for the bonding/antibonding deal, again, it's all quantum mechanics. Schrodinger and Heisenberg each published descriptions on the probability of finding an electron at a certain place around the nucleus of an atom. If you take a look at someting called the Schrodinger equation, you can see an ugly polydimensional differential equation with crap like Plank's constant and the permittivity of a vacuum. All the n=1,2,3,4... numbers correspond to Eigenvalues to the eigenfuntion--that is, statistical distributions that satisfy the Schrodinger equation. When orbitals overlap, the resulting molecular orbital is any "linear conbination" of the atomic orbitals, meaning that you can either add the distribution functions to eachother, or subtract them from one another. When the functions are added, you get a lower energy (meaning more stable) bonding orbital, wherein ther is increased electron density between the nuclei, and the bond is stronger. When you subtract the functions, you can end up with places where the net probability of finding an electron is zero--a node--and this correlated to a high energy (unstable) anti-bonding orbital. Both orbitals are there, but they are only occupied if one or more of the electrons in the molecular orbital has an energy level that would place it in that particualr orbital. Long story short (too late!), the matter can only really be understood in mathematical terms, because it doesn't really mean anything that makes sense in terms of what we can perceive. Sorry. I'm also pretty sure that there are a number of people who have taken more physical chemistry than I have who see large errors in this explanation, but I'm doing my best.

As far as the point someone made about higher and lower energy level, you have to remeber that it's all relative. n=1 requires more energy to remove the electron from the atom (higher ionization energy), but generally it is refered to as a lower energy state, as it is a ground state to which an electron might go after releasing a photon from a higher (n>1) state.
 
Nutmeg: Good explanations.. but one point. I was always under the impression that the wavelength in regards to orbits referenced their position between bonding and antibonding with zero displacement as representing a node? I guess, in a way we are talking about the same thing.. energy movement in a "wave" pattern. But what do I know? I slept through ochem and would occasionally flip a birdie at the prof.
 
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