Choosing medical schools, which tools did you use?

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Hi guys, I was wondering how to start choosing my medical schools. How many backups should I have? Reach schools? Should I buy the MSAR online thing or are there better resources? And finally.... where can I find which schools are pass/fail haha.

My gpa is a 3.76 (3.64 science) and I got a 36 on mcats which I didn't expect so now I'm wondering if this means I should apply to more higher tier schools?

I appreciate your help!
 
Hi guys, I was wondering how to start choosing my medical schools. How many backups should I have? Reach schools? Should I buy the MSAR online thing or are there better resources? And finally.... where can I find which schools are pass/fail haha.

My gpa is a 3.76 (3.64 science) and I got a 36 on mcats which I didn't expect so now I'm wondering if this means I should apply to more higher tier schools?

I appreciate your help!

The MSAR was the best tool I had for choosing med schools. It will give you information on the average stats of accepted students, the percentage of in-state and out-of-state students offered interviews, the overall curriculum style and mission statement of each schools. I would suggest focusing your search on schools that fit your experiences, not just your stats. Do you have a strong research background? If not, a 36 MCAT by itself is not enough to get you into top tier schools. If you have several years of research experience with possibly publications, posters, presentations, etc., you might consider a few top schools. Your sGPA is a bit low for top tier schools, and your MCAT will not entirely make up for that.

The best strategy is to narrow down your school list first by choosing your state schools, private schools, and other state schools that accept a high percentage of out-of-state applicants. Then eliminate any schools in locations you would not be willing to live. Eliminate schools that are way out of your stat range on both ends. From there, take a look at each school's mission statement and curriculum and choose the ones that seem to be a good fit for you.

I believe the average applicant applies to 15 schools. You have good stats, how are your ECs? Do you have plenty of clinical experience? If so, I think you'd be just fine with 15 schools. Are you limited by money? If someone else is paying for all of this and doesn't care how much you spend on applications, you might as well apply to 20 schools. If finances are very tight and your family cannot support you, consider applying for Financial Assistance Program (FAP) from AAMC and they will pay for the first 14 schools.

Hope this helps!
 
Definitely the MSAR. When looking at OOS percentage, 15% is about the minimum you should be looking for. You should also look at the total number of applications a school receives, since a school's overall stats might not be on the high end, but if they receive a very large number of apps (examples are Georgetown, GW, BU), they aren't safety schools at all. Try not to have more than about 1/3 of your list be reach/dream schools (same as applying for undergrad). Once you've put together a list, you could start a thread over in WAMC and you will probably get some helpful feedback on it.
 
The MSAR was the best tool I had for choosing med schools. It will give you information on the average stats of accepted students, the percentage of in-state and out-of-state students offered interviews, the overall curriculum style and mission statement of each schools. I would suggest focusing your search on schools that fit your experiences, not just your stats. Do you have a strong research background? If not, a 36 MCAT by itself is not enough to get you into top tier schools. If you have several years of research experience with possibly publications, posters, presentations, etc., you might consider a few top schools. Your sGPA is a bit low for top tier schools, and your MCAT will not entirely make up for that.

The best strategy is to narrow down your school list first by choosing your state schools, private schools, and other state schools that accept a high percentage of out-of-state applicants. Then eliminate any schools in locations you would not be willing to live. Eliminate schools that are way out of your stat range on both ends. From there, take a look at each school's mission statement and curriculum and choose the ones that seem to be a good fit for you.

I believe the average applicant applies to 15 schools. You have good stats, how are your ECs? Do you have plenty of clinical experience? If so, I think you'd be just fine with 15 schools. Are you limited by money? If someone else is paying for all of this and doesn't care how much you spend on applications, you might as well apply to 20 schools. If finances are very tight and your family cannot support you, consider applying for Financial Assistance Program (FAP) from AAMC and they will pay for the first 14 schools.

Hope this helps!

It definitely helps so thanks for the time you took for that post!

My ECs are basically
4 years of being a translator in a clinic and basically interacting with patients alongside a doctor,
1.5 years research (no pub, but one poster), (not my strong suite)
residential assistant,
chemistry TA,
a trip to Africa setting up clinics and giving medicine for about 3-4 weeks.

I'm not rich but thankfully can afford med school though will be taking out loans. I'm in NY



About the MSAR should I buy the Online along with the ebook? Or just the online?
 
Definitely the MSAR. When looking at OOS percentage, 15% is about the minimum you should be looking for. You should also look at the total number of applications a school receives, since a school's overall stats might not be on the high end, but if they receive a very large number of apps (examples are Georgetown, GW, BU), they aren't safety schools at all. Try not to have more than about 1/3 of your list be reach/dream schools (same as applying for undergrad). Once you've put together a list, you could start a thread over in WAMC and you will probably get some helpful feedback on it.

Thanks for those tips!
 
I recently impulse bought a U.S News medical school guide and would recommend it if you are looking for something to supplement the MSAR (which, as everyone has suggested, is the best tool available.) It has a few useful pieces of info that the MSAR doesn't have.
 
Just to counter the more formulaic approaches, don't worry about throwing a few random schools on there as well (as long as you would actually attend if accepted). If you really want to apply to OOS-Discriminating State School but are OOS, go for it. You never know what might happen. Keep the total number of schools you're applying to reasonable, of course, but a few random picks here and there won't hurt anything except for your wallet.
 
I used a 100 sided dice, used a random number generator to assign each school of the 100 I would be willing to go to a number, then rolled the dice until I ran out of money. It worked great.





Joking.
 
It definitely helps so thanks for the time you took for that post!

My ECs are basically
4 years of being a translator in a clinic and basically interacting with patients alongside a doctor,
1.5 years research (no pub, but one poster), (not my strong suite)
residential assistant,
chemistry TA,
a trip to Africa setting up clinics and giving medicine for about 3-4 weeks.

I'm not rich but thankfully can afford med school though will be taking out loans. I'm in NY



About the MSAR should I buy the Online along with the ebook? Or just the online?

Your ECs look solid; you could definitely add a few top 20 schools in there. Just make sure that you are applying to plenty of schools that fit your stats or have averages slightly below your stats. The poster who advised you to look at the number of applications each school receives is wise. It can't hurt to apply to schools who get ten thousand applicants, but do not make the mistake of considering them safety schools. As a NY resident, you should apply to all your state schools for sure. I really think location and fit are the two most important factors in choosing which schools to apply to. Where do you want to end up eventually? NY or somewhere totally different?

Just buy the online MSAR unless you are the kind of person who needs to have a book in their hands. 🙂

Just to counter the more formulaic approaches, don't worry about throwing a few random schools on there as well (as long as you would actually attend if accepted). If you really want to apply to OOS-Discriminating State School but are OOS, go for it. You never know what might happen. Keep the total number of schools you're applying to reasonable, of course, but a few random picks here and there won't hurt anything except for your wallet.

Can't argue with this. I had FAP and was limited to 14 schools because I couldn't afford to pay for more primaries. If I'd had unlimited money, I'd have applied to a lot more random schools that I really loved.
 
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Your ECs look solid; you could definitely add a few top 20 schools in there. Just make sure that you are applying to plenty of schools that fit your stats or have averages slightly below your stats. The poster who advised you to look at the number of applications each school receives is wise. It can't hurt to apply to schools who get ten thousand applicants, but do not make the mistake of considering them reach schools. As a NY resident, you should apply to all your state schools for sure. I really think location and fit are the two most important factors in choosing which schools to apply to. Where do you want to end up eventually? NY or somewhere totally different?

Just buy the online MSAR unless you are the kind of person who needs to have a book in their hands. 🙂



Can't argue with this. I had FAP and was limited to 14 schools because I couldn't afford to pay for more primaries. If I'd had unlimited money, I'd have applied to a lot more random schools that I really loved.

Thanks for the tips, I'll take your advice and apply to all my state schools. I honestly am looking for med schools with a supportive or cooperative atmosphere. I know that's hard to quantify but places like Tulane I've heard stand out.

That's why I'm scouring message boards and surveys like this:

http://www.amsa.org/premed/medsurvey/medsurveyresults.cfm


I love the material but I'll do better if I love the people I'm with also.
 
Does anyone know where to see in state/out of state stats on the 2013 msar online tool?
 
Go to the acceptance information tab, then look at the matriculation data table
 
Hi guys, I was wondering how to start choosing my medical schools. How many backups should I have? Reach schools? Should I buy the MSAR online thing or are there better resources? And finally.... where can I find which schools are pass/fail haha.

My gpa is a 3.76 (3.64 science) and I got a 36 on mcats which I didn't expect so now I'm wondering if this means I should apply to more higher tier schools?

I appreciate your help!

What I'm doing:

Stats: I'm planning on adding my cgpa to my sgpa, dividing by 2, multiplying by 10, then adding my mcat score. I would then compare that number to the average gpa times ten plus average mcat of each medical school I'm interested in. If i'm with in 3 digits, I will apply. (Plus two safety school and two dream schools.)

Pass/Fail: I want to know to the same thing.

What else: I'm going to tour each school (that interests me) and interact with as many people as possible. I hope to find schools that (overall) are personable, full of happy (or at least not miserable) people, and full of people who value diversity (and can carry on an enthusiastic conversation about many things outside of science). Additionally, I prefer very urban places, Boston, NYC, Chicago, Philly, SF [with 3 exceptions: Seattle, NJ, RI]. A funny thought I've had is, "I wonder if I'm going to meet SDN people in medical school?" "...Maybe I'll sit behind some of them." Just kidding.
 
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