Christopher Reeve is dead...

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no way !! I hope its all a rumor !
 
🙁 yep, it's now on the front page of cnn
 
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Fermata said:
Well.....it looks as if he's never gonna be able to get his strength back to strangle that horse.

:laugh:
 
Yeah, I just saw that on AOL. 🙁 Not to be cheesy, but I found him to be such an inspiration. (A family member recently had a spinal cord injury, not as bad as CR's, but still devastating)
 
CheckMate said:
It's so absolutely sad because he really was an icon for my generation as superman and then a real life courageous hero as a victim of paralysis... and when I found out he died this morning I was overcome with overwhelming sadness and had to hide my tears because the first thing I thought when I heard was that I felt science had failed him. As someone who does research, he really epitomized everything that could inspire us and bring us to a cure...and I just got this feeling of failure, that we failed someone who did so much for the cause and could have done so much more. 🙁

We didn't fail him. President Bush did.

I have a feeling Kerry is going to get a whole heck of a lot more supporters now. I hate to bring this back to politics, but there is no other sentimental crisis that could have helped Kerry more right now for this election. People will want what happened to Reeve to be prevented in their loved ones. They'll want stem cell research. To be frank, this is a good thing politically, although a sad thing personally.
 
CheckMate said:
It's so absolutely sad because he really was an icon for my generation as superman and then a real life courageous hero as a victim of paralysis... and when I found out he died this morning I was overcome with overwhelming sadness and had to hide my tears because the first thing I thought when I heard was that I felt science had failed him. As someone who does research, he really epitomized everything that could inspire us and bring us to a cure...and I just got this feeling of failure, that we failed someone who did so much for the cause and could have done so much more. 🙁

But we mustn't think this way. Realistically, spinal cord injury vitims of that magnitude experienced by Chris Reeve live only about 7 years post-injury; he lived 9. If anything, his quality of care ensured that he beat the odds if only by 2 years. I hope that people don't use his death to further their views on stem cell research (i.e. Chris Reeve would've been saved if not for certain legislation, etc. etc.); that's dirty pool.
 
CheckMate said:
It's so absolutely sad because he really was an icon for my generation as superman and then a real life courageous hero as a victim of paralysis... and when I found out he died this morning I was overcome with overwhelming sadness and had to hide my tears because the first thing I thought when I heard was that I felt science had failed him. As someone who does research, he really epitomized everything that could inspire us and bring us to a cure...and I just got this feeling of failure, that we failed someone who did so much for the cause and could have done so much more. 🙁

I felt the same way when I first heard this morning. Its so sad, but stinkycheese is right, we didn't fail him. maybe if bush didn't ban stem cell research he would've been able to live longer. I do research in spinal cord injury which kind of makes me feel even worse. its so ironic because a couple weeks ago at one of my interviews I was talking about my research and the interviewer asked me-do you think christopher reeves will ever walk again? it just makes me so sad. he was such an inspiration to both researchers and other people with SCI because he never gave up. he vowed that he would walk again one day-but we couldn't help him do that. I've been thinking about it all morning and at first really felt like we failed him too. every life that we lose due to spinal cord injury or paralysis or so many other things is like a slap in the face cuz we could be doing so much with stem cell research. three years wasted while other countries are getting so much more ahead.
 
sunsweet said:
I felt the same way when I first heard this morning. Its so sad, but stinkycheese is right, we didn't fail him. maybe if bush didn't ban stem cell research he would've been able to live longer. I do research in spinal cord injury which kind of makes me feel even worse. its so ironic because a couple weeks ago at one of my interviews I was talking about my research and the interviewer asked me-do you think christopher reeves will ever walk again? it just makes me so sad. he was such an inspiration to both researchers and other people with SCI because he never gave up. he vowed that he would walk again one day-but we couldn't help him do that. I've been thinking about it all morning and at first really felt like we failed him too. every life that we lose due to spinal cord injury or paralysis or so many other things is like a slap in the face cuz we could be doing so much with stem cell research. three years wasted while other countries are getting so much more ahead.


I was very sad to hear about his passing because as recently as June 2003 he spoke at my graduation 🙁
 
monopolova said:
But we mustn't think this way. Realistically, spinal cord injury vitims of that magnitude experienced by Chris Reeve live only about 7 years post-injury; he lived 9. If anything, his quality of care ensured that he beat the odds if only by 2 years.

I don't think this is a valid argument. true, the probability might be 7 years now, but if we had stem cell research and much better treatments, I bet the expectancy would be much greater than 7 years. just because he happened to live longer than expected doesn't mean that stem cell research might not have helped him live even longer. he had good quality of care, which is absolutely great, but we still need to find treatments for SCI, and stem cell research will be a great leap forward for this.

monopolova said:
I hope that people don't use his death to further their views on stem cell research (i.e. Chris Reeve would've been saved if not for certain legislation, etc. etc.); that's dirty pool.

it's not dirty pool. its the sad truth.
 
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Hey,
I am prpbably going to get some flack for this, but remeber that I didn't write it, and also that I am not saying I agree with it. I just find it interesting to see this story from a different side. I found this on a website when I was looking up information about the late Christopher Reeve. I DID NOT WRITE THIS. I forget the website, but it can be found by googling "christopher reeve dingus". Take it for what its worth.



"Why is Reeve an dingus?

Simple: because he's selfish. Reeve didn't give a **** about paralysis before his accident, but now that he's paralyzed, suddenly he opens up a paralysis foundation and cares about the plight of cripples? Where was his foundation in '95 when he played the role of a man with spinal cord injury? Sure, some of you might argue that he's doing a good thing by bringing attention to paralysis, but the underlying message being sent here is that nobody gives a **** about cripples until a celebrity becomes one.

What really pisses me off about Reeve is the sheer arrogance. Look up a Reeve biography and you'll find praise like "he has now found new meaning in life." Let me tell you something: any time you find new meaning in life because of a debilitating injury, your "old" life didn't have much meaning. Paralysis could strike anyone at any time, and if you're living your life in such a way that all your goals require the use of your arms and legs, then your life probably doesn't mean much to begin with. I'm sure people who were born paralyzed don't appreciate being told that their lives "have meaning too," as if they need affirmation from people who spend most of their lives working to pay off stupid bull**** like sports cars, expensive houses, and other junk that they don't need.

The "still living life to the fullest" doctrine pisses me off even more because you can almost hear a voice in your head that finishes off the sentence with "...as a cripple." What does it mean to "still live life to the fullest"? Why should it require any extra effort or energy, or the addition of the word "still" in front if you were living your life "to the fullest" to begin with? What can physical mobility afford you that pure thought can't alone? It's so gracious of Mr. Reeve to acknowledge that you can "still" live a meaningful life, even as a cripple. I'm sure that people who struggle with paralysis every day are exuberant at having someone champion their cause, it's just too bad that Reeve is in all likelihood doing it because he cares about himself first and foremost. Would he have opened up a paralysis foundation before the accident? Doubtful. Of course, we can never know for sure, but the fact remains that he didn't open up a foundation before the accident, and he poured his heart and soul into research afterwards, so the only conclusion that can be made is that he's doing it simply because he himself needs treatment.

The fact that he's helping thousands of people as he helps himself is a side effect of his cure; not necessarily his intention. I have little doubt that Mr. Reeve would work as hard to find a cure for paralysis if he was one of only a hand full of victims, so I don't think he deserves praise for this "good deed," because if it was intentional on his part to help these people, he probably would have had a paralysis foundation before the accident occurred.

I didn't have any beef with Reeve before his accident, but it's the praise he collects for his selfishness that makes him an dingus in my book. If tomorrow Reeve selflessly dedicated all of his time and effort--or even half of it--towards finding a cure for cancer or heart disease, he'd have my respect (not that he's trying to earn my respect, but having my respect is an awesome privilege). Hell, he'd earn my respect if he just cut the condescending bull**** for a few minutes, such as this prize quote "I've noticed that there are very few roles for people in chairs... I would like to see people with disabilities featured sympathetically." No ****? As opposed to all those other movies that show people with disabilities being demonized? Like it happens so often anyway. Why should people with disabilities be featured any more sympathetically than people without disabilities? If his goal is to live a normal life, how normal could his life be if all his future roles were "sympathetic"? Oh look, here comes the cripple, everyone act sympathetic regardless of the plot, because real life cripples never experience conflict or drama. If I were in a wheel chair, I'd want an ass kicking role where I would spend the entire movie running over people's fingers and tossing old ladies off of cliffs, not some suck-ass sissy role where I'd sit around and cry like a *****.

Before you send me email bitching about me picking on cripples, ask yourself the following question: why is it any more acceptable to pick on non-cripples? Sounds like discrimination to me. If you're the type of person who would be offended by an article picking on Christopher Reeve without giving second thought to other celebrities I've picked on, chances are good that you're racist*.

*Note: I know that "race" doesn't have anything to do with being crippled. I'm just connecting the dots here people, quit emailing me. "
 
stinkycheese said:
We didn't fail him. President Bush did.

I have a feeling Kerry is going to get a whole heck of a lot more supporters now. I hate to bring this back to politics, but there is no other sentimental crisis that could have helped Kerry more right now for this election. People will want what happened to Reeve to be prevented in their loved ones. They'll want stem cell research. To be frank, this is a good thing politically, although a sad thing personally.

great motive... kill babies to save superman.... 🙄
 
JDAD said:
Hey,
I am prpbably going to get some flack for this, but remeber that I didn't write it, and also that I am not saying I agree with it. I just find it interesting to see this story from a different side. I found this on a website when I was looking up information about the late Christopher Reeve. I DID NOT WRITE THIS. I forget the website, but it can be found by googling "christopher reeve dingus". Take it for what its worth.

many times ppl dont do the right thing until the wrong thing affects them. that is just human nature. he did a good thing in his last years of his life, to deny that is obviously wrong. but sure, compared to others like mother teresa or whatever who did stuff like that even though they were not directly effected, then yea he did fall short.

this reminds me of the bible. God gave us a choice to accept Him or not. We must make the choice without being "forced" to make the choice, such as if God presented Himself in front of your eyes and said behold, I am God!! bow before Me!! ... no God doesnt do that, you have a choice to choose God or not before it will directly effect you.
 
JDAD said:
Hey,
I am prpbably going to get some flack for this, but remeber that I didn't write it, and also that I am not saying I agree with it. I just find it interesting to see this story from a different side. I found this on a website when I was looking up information about the late Christopher Reeve. I DID NOT WRITE THIS. I forget the website, but it can be found by googling "christopher reeve dingus". Take it for what its worth.

Well, whoever wrote that sounds like they are INCREDIBLY bitter--so I dismiss it. There are so many causes out there that we can't all be completely involved in each and every one of them. Having oneself or a loved one fall victim to a disease is usually the reason why people become much more interested in advancing awareness and research in that area. That doesn't make us hippocrites.

I did a google search for Christopher Reeves last night, too... I just would never have thought to add the word "dingus" to my search.
 
JDAD said:
Hey,
I am prpbably going to get some flack for this, but remeber that I didn't write it, and also that I am not saying I agree with it. I just find it interesting to see this story from a different side. I found this on a website when I was looking up information about the late Christopher Reeve. I DID NOT WRITE THIS. I forget the website, but it can be found by googling "christopher reeve dingus". Take it for what its worth.


I give props to JDAD for posting this.
There are some very valid points here.
Above all this is what DISCUSSION is all about.
Much respect.

I never really liked Cristopher Reeve, I could care less if he died.

I just hope that he is the sacrificial cow that prompts the *****ic general public to pull their heads out of their collective arse and expand research on stem cells. It is the bio-equaivalent of animal testing people.
The same animal testing that keeps your dad alive when he takes atorvastin for his cholesterol. Lipitor was tested on mice, dogs, monkeys and guess what? It saves your fat relatives life everyday.
Stem cells are the next wave of research. Accept it. Get over it. There is unlimited promise here.
Why there is controversy in expanding the cell lines and pumping more dollars into research is beyond me.

Hopefully the death of a B-rated actor will spur more research.

Whatever it takes I guess.
 
911Med said:
JDAD said:
Hey,
I am prpbably going to get some flack for this, but remeber that I didn't write it, and also that I am not saying I agree with it. I just find it interesting to see this story from a different side. I found this on a website when I was looking up information about the late Christopher Reeve. I DID NOT WRITE THIS. I forget the website, but it can be found by googling "christopher reeve dingus". Take it for what its worth.


I give props to JDAD for posting this.
There are some very valid points here.
Above all this is what DISCUSSION is all about.
Much respect.

I never really liked Cristopher Reeve, I could care less if he died.

I just hope that he is the sacrificial cow that prompts the *****ic general public to pull their heads out of their collective arse and expand research on stem cells. It is the bio-equaivalent of animal testing people.
The same animal testing that keeps your dad alive when he takes atorvastin for his cholesterol. Lipitor was tested on mice, dogs, monkeys and guess what? It saves your fat relatives life everyday.
Stem cells are the next wave of research. Accept it. Get over it. There is unlimited promise here.
Why there is controversy in expanding the cell lines and pumping more dollars into research is beyond me.

Hopefully the death of a B-rated actor will spur more research.

Whatever it takes I guess.


to the ppl against it, stem cell research = killing babies to save adults. that is why there are ppl so much against it. current laws allow certain cells to be used, i think it is just the ones that have ALREADY been collected and regrown, but no more from dead/dieing babies or aborted babies... if you can morally justify murdering a baby that is otherwise perfectly healthy and has its whole life ahead of it then please go on. otherwise this is like the human tests that hitler conducted, which were consequently sealed up never to be used.
 
cooldreams said:
great motive... kill babies to save superman.... 🙄


Kill babies??? Read about the research, you should be a bit more informed since you are entering a medical career.
 
G0S2 said:
Kill babies??? Read about the research, you should be a bit more informed since you are entering a medical career.

well... from my uninformed understanding, baby stem cells are able to form into any cell whereas adult stem cells are not, however they have found cells somewhere in the female reproductive system that may also hold promise, i forget which ones it was though.

is that about right?

to do stem cell research, you pretty much need stem cells. and the most "promising" cells are baby stem cells

and these are stem cells in the brainstem which controls the basic life sustaining body functions

http://www.religioustolerance.org/res_stem.htm
am i misinformed here somewhere??????
 
cooldreams said:
well... from my uninformed understanding, baby stem cells are able to form into any cell whereas adult stem cells are not, however they have found cells somewhere in the female reproductive system that may also hold promise, i forget which ones it was though.

is that about right?

to do stem cell research, you pretty much need stem cells. and the most "promising" cells are baby stem cells

and these are stem cells in the brainstem which controls the basic life sustaining body functions

am i misinformed here somewhere??????

oh something that may be a misunderstanding between us also is that i consider it a baby at conception, whereas other ppl may not consider it a baby until it is born, head and body and all, alive. right now abortion occurs by taking the "non-baby"-baby body out thru the vaginal canal, and then inserting a needle in the "non-baby"-baby's head and sucking out and killing it, and then take the head out. abortion at its finest....

http://www.abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_9313pb.asp
 
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It depends on the type of stem cells used. The very early stem cells collected from early embryos will kill the child if they are harvested. These cells have the potential to become any cell in the body if given proper conditions, but it is very difficult to achieve.

Stem cells in early tissues found in later term fetuses have less potential as far as making new organs or whatever. It might kill the baby to harvest those cells. Unless the child is killed by abortion or dies naturally, I can't see any justification for using these cells.

The "umlimited promise" of stem cell research has no basis. People think such research is so wonderful, and it would be to a point, but thinking it will cure all these diseases is naive.
 
The types of stem cells that have therapeutic potential in this case would be those derived from somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT). In this situation, the nucleus from a somatic cell would be transferred into an enucleated egg (which never hasd the potential to form life on it's own). Following a number of cell divisions in vitro, the inner cell mass of the blastocyst is removed and those ES cells have the same genetic complement as the donor nucleus thereby reducing the potential for graft rejection. There is a good article about the differences between using embryo's (zygote) and SCNT (clonote) for stem cell production that was written by a President's Council on Bioethics Member (NEJM 351:209). In fact that issue of NEJM discusses stem cell research and ethics.
 
G0S2 said:
The types of stem cells that have therapeutic potential in this case would be those derived from somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT). In this situation, the nucleus from a somatic cell would be transferred into an enucleated egg (which never hasd the potential to form life on it's own). Following a number of cell divisions in vitro, the inner cell mass of the blastocyst is removed and those ES cells have the same genetic complement as the donor nucleus thereby reducing the potential for graft rejection. There is a good article about the differences between using embryo's (zygote) and SCNT (clonote) for stem cell production that was written by a President's Council on Bioethics Member (NEJM 351:209). In fact that issue of NEJM discusses stem cell research and ethics.

Would these types of cells be immortal?
 
JDAD and 911MED---you have no heart
 
G0S2 said:
The types of stem cells that have therapeutic potential in this case would be those derived from somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT). In this situation, the nucleus from a somatic cell would be transferred into an enucleated egg (which never hasd the potential to form life on it's own). Following a number of cell divisions in vitro, the inner cell mass of the blastocyst is removed and those ES cells have the same genetic complement as the donor nucleus thereby reducing the potential for graft rejection. There is a good article about the differences between using embryo's (zygote) and SCNT (clonote) for stem cell production that was written by a President's Council on Bioethics Member (NEJM 351:209). In fact that issue of NEJM discusses stem cell research and ethics.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/clo_ther.htm

ah yes... human cloning... 🙄
 
UTKB said:
Would these types of cells be immortal?

not yet... cells have internal time clocks.... they degrade... that is why they cant continue as they are with the current stem cell lines they have...
 
UTKB said:
Would these types of cells be immortal?


No, they are not immortal and will eventually die in culture. The "design" would be to differentiate the ES cells into a neuron type direction (as in the case for Mr. Reeve) and then inject these neuron precursors into the lesion on the spinal cord and hope that they may bridge the damaged region. I realize that there is a tremendous amount of hope in stem cell research that has a high degree of chance of not developing to fruition. That, however, is never an agrument to halt research. We could easily make that argument for a wide array of research topics.
 
G0S2 said:
I realize that there is a tremendous amount of hope in stem cell research that has a high degree of chance of not developing to fruition. That, however, is never an agrument to halt research. We could easily make that argument for a wide array of research topics.

I respectfully disagree. There is a fine line we are walking with this type of research. This is not equivalent to bacterial, engineering, or animal research, it's human life. I can't resolve inside myself using human embryos for research that may never bear fruit.
 
cooldreams said:
to the ppl against it, stem cell research = killing babies to save adults. that is why there are ppl so much against it. current laws allow certain cells to be used, i think it is just the ones that have ALREADY been collected and regrown, but no more from dead/dieing babies or aborted babies... if you can morally justify murdering a baby that is otherwise perfectly healthy and has its whole life ahead of it then please go on. otherwise this is like the human tests that hitler conducted, which were consequently sealed up never to be used.

Ok, here's my pet peeve: people (I'm not saying this is necessarily true for you) need to read about and learn about the issue from all sides before holding a certain viewpoint and defending it.

I'm talking about embryonic stem cells, which come from embryos, not babies. some people may view embryos=human life, but the fact is that most people against embryonic stem cell research don't know all the facts. if these people would go and learn what this research is all about, I bet many (not all) of them would change their minds. Here's a statistic on this from some major news reporting people-last year, about 45% of people approved the use of embryonic stem cell research while today 80% approve it. I got this stat from people in my lab so I don't have the exact source, but I'm sure its pretty accurate. as people start to become more knowledgeable about this research, they understand that its not really all that bad. many people are afraid that its going to lead to cloning, but most scientists that support therapeutic cloning for stem cell research don't support human cloning. human cloning is so far away from embryonic stem cell research, and it can definitely be prevented by regulating the research.

every single person that against embryonic stem cell research should go out and fight to close down all fertility clinics. fertility clinics make so many embryos, most of which are frozen down forever and/or thrown in the garbage. we're just asking to do study those cells instead of throwing them in the garbage! I don't see people having a problem with all that waste of embryos, why can't we put it to good use?!?!
 
I heartily supported ES cell research before I did an in-depth study of it.
 
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Oh, and letting an embryo die is different than actively killing it. It's the same argument used by those against doctor-assisted suicide.

Many fertility clinics keep the unused embryos frozen indefinitely because they do not want to kill them. Some couples even donate their embryos to other couples, or to researchers. Yes, ES cell research still continues, even though it's not federally funded.
 
cooldreams said:
not yet... cells have internal time clocks.... they degrade... that is why they cant continue as they are with the current stem cell lines they have...

If a true stem cell from an embryo is cultured, it will be immortal. Thats what a stem cell line is. the cells keep dividing forever. thats another reason why we need to work with embryonic stem cells instead of adult stem cells. even if we find a cure with adult stem cells, pharmeceutical companies won't want to develop and sell them because there's not much profit. since adult stem cells are not immortal, every time you need them, you have to go through the whole process and keep finding more adult stem cells. embryonic stem cells, on the other hand, will keep dividing and producing the cells you need for treatment. if find treatments from umbilical cord blood stem cells, we have to get these cells everytime you want to make the medication. there simply aren't enough babies born to keep getting these stem cells from them.
 
UTKB said:
I heartily supported ES cell research before I did an in-depth study of it.

I'm not saying that by doing an in-depth study you'll agree that we should do stem cell research. most people however, don't know about the research. I'm just saying that you should do an in-depth study before taking either side, and I'm glad you did!
 
sunsweet said:
Ok, here's my pet peeve: people (I'm not saying this is necessarily true for you) need to read about and learn about the issue from all sides before holding a certain viewpoint and defending it.

I'm talking about embryonic stem cells, which come from embryos, not babies. some people may view embryos=human life, but the fact is that most people against embryonic stem cell research don't know all the facts. if these people would go and learn what this research is all about, I bet many (not all) of them would change their minds. Here's a statistic on this from some major news reporting people-last year, about 45% of people approved the use of embryonic stem cell research while today 80% approve it. I got this stat from people in my lab so I don't have the exact source, but I'm sure its pretty accurate. as people start to become more knowledgeable about this research, they understand that its not really all that bad. many people are afraid that its going to lead to cloning, but most scientists that support therapeutic cloning for stem cell research don't support human cloning. human cloning is so far away from embryonic stem cell research, and it can definitely be prevented by regulating the research.

every single person that against embryonic stem cell research should go out and fight to close down all fertility clinics. fertility clinics make so many embryos, most of which are frozen down forever and/or thrown in the garbage. we're just asking to do study those cells instead of throwing them in the garbage! I don't see people having a problem with all that waste of embryos, why can't we put it to good use?!?!


ah yes.. facts... i think this is the reason why most ppl support es cell research - they DONT know the facts. a human embryo = a human = human = dont kill me im a human and im alive!!!!! :laugh:
 
cooldreams said:
ah yes.. facts... i think this is the reason why most ppl support es cell research - they DONT know the facts. a human embryo = a human = human = dont kill me im a human and im alive!!!!! :laugh:

jeez, open your mind! at least I can see both sides of the debate even though I support one.
 
phleebie said:
JDAD and 911MED---you have no heart


Hey now, watch yourself. I stated that I was not the author and I was just brining it up so people had another viewpoint to comtemplate.

Don't post crap when you don't know what your talking about. 😎
 
How did this degenerate into a debate about stem cell research.

Btw, there was very little hope for Reeve from the beginning. Besides, there appears to be more benefit from adult stem cell transplantation rather than tampering with embryonic stem cells.

And I know it isn't popular, but Reeve did NOT care about his cause before he became a victim.

Remember how it happened to him?

He was riding a horse at a show.

He wasn't mugged and stabbed while trying to help some old lady across the street.

To sit willingly on top of a 1,000 pound animal, you should accept the consequences of what happens.

To think of all the people who die starving every year, and there is national publicity over this?

Forgive me for being cynical, but please people..........consistency.
 
sunsweet said:
every single person that against embryonic stem cell research should go out and fight to close down all fertility clinics. fertility clinics make so many embryos, most of which are frozen down forever and/or thrown in the garbage. we're just asking to do study those cells instead of throwing them in the garbage! I don't see people having a problem with all that waste of embryos, why can't we put it to good use?!?!



Most people who are against stem cell research are also against abortion. Since they weren't able to stop abortion from becoming legal they're throwing their weight into a new project. The fact that most people do not realize that fertility clinics "kill" millions of "babies/nonbabies" every year, just works to their advantage...
 
CheckMate said:
Hi Sunsweet-- Are you sure adult stem cells are immortal. At an interview a couple weeks ago, a faculty member said he was working with adult stem cells and they were immortal--they didn't lose their 'potency' (or whateer the technical term is) after being passaged many, many times. Are you positive about that?

I think its kind of hazy. I tried to do a search and found this page from NIH:
http://www.nih.gov/news/backgrounders/stemcellbackgrounder.htm

I remember my research advisor telling me the stuff I wrote before about adult stem cells vs. embryonic, but it may be that people haven't really published stuff about adult stem cell lines? maybe its possible, but it would definitely be much harder. here's an excerpt from that site-

"There are currently several limitations to using adult stem cells. Although many different kinds of multipotent stem cells have been identified, the evidence that adult stem cells could give rise to all cell and tissue types is not yet conclusive. Adult stem cells are often present in only minute quantities and can therefore be difficult to isolate and purify. There is also evidence that they may not have the same capacity to multiply as embryonic stem cells do. Finally, adult stem cells may contain more DNA abnormalities ? caused by sunlight, toxins and errors in making more DNA copies during the course of a lifetime. These potential weaknesses might limit the usefulness of adult stem cells."
 
Fermata said:
And I know it isn't popular, but Reeve did NOT care about his cause before he became a victim.

if people think that reeves is an a-hole like that article someone posted because he didn't care about this until he became a victim, you might as well say that most human beings are a-holes too except for those few people like mother theresa. its human nature to suddenly take up a cause because it affects them. there are so many politicians that were against this research, then when a family/friend was affected, they started to supporting it. maybe its because they couldn't see people they love suffer, or maybe it made them read and understand more about the research. either way, human beings are selfish and they're going to start supporting something when it affects them, whether its reeves or anyone else.


Fermata said:
Remember how it happened to him?

He was riding a horse at a show.

He wasn't mugged and stabbed while trying to help some old lady across the street.

To sit willingly on top of a 1,000 pound animal, you should accept the consequences of what happens.

why does it matter how he was injured?


Fermata said:
To think of all the people who die starving every year, and there is national publicity over this?

Forgive me for being cynical, but please people..........consistency.

celebrities are always going to be publicized more. there are many non-celebrity people that being affected by this stuff too.
 
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