Class of 2011 and job offers poll.

[moissanite69]

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To those who just graduated in May/June 2011, please submit your answer to the poll. I am curious to see how the job market to our new grads this year. Also, I am curious to see if there is actually an unemployed pharmacist.

 

[moissanite69]

Great! As far as I see, we have no surplus in the pharmacy. I mean, most people get jobs out there...see? Look at the poll above. 👍

 

[pharmschooler]

Great! As far as I see, we have no surplus in the pharmacy. I mean, most people get jobs out there...see? Look at the poll above. 👍

Isn't your n value a little small? 😉

 

[BrightLight]

Great! I can't wait to show this study result to my pharmacist-wannabe friends and reignite their hope.

 

[owlegrad]

Isn't your n value a little small? 😉

Is this a polite topic of discussion in mixed company?

 

[297point1]

What is the difference between option three "Class of 2011 and I have no job offers. I am still looking for a job" and option four "I am a pharmacist and currently unemployed."? These seem the same to me.

 

[Ackj]

What is the difference between option three "Class of 2011 and I have no job offers. I am still looking for a job" and option four "I am a pharmacist and currently unemployed."? These seem the same to me.

I think they were going for "graduated this year and unemployed" vs "have been licensed for a while, but now unemployed."

 

[jasonkido]

I think they were going for "graduated this year and unemployed" vs "have been licensed for a while, but now unemployed."

If thats the case, he should have added possibly a class of 2008-2010 and currently employed section option just to see past trend in 3 years.

I notice that the c/o 2011 and looking for a job is increasing a bit.

 

[p-rog]

one-third of new grads don't have a job yet... damn that's pretty bad.

 

[moissanite69]

one-third of new grads don't have a job yet... damn that's pretty bad.

Well, we need more people voting to see the outcome. I hope to see at least 100 members in here to vote.

 

[type b pharmD]

one-third of new grads don't have a job yet... damn that's pretty bad.

More accurately, one third of people who are sdn members and feeling like visiting the site and then posting don't have a job. I know if I graduated and was working a job I'd be way more likely to be spending my free time doing things other than answering a forum poll about my job status , haha. Whereas if I was unemployed id probably be spamming sdn and jumping right into such polls. Well hopefully we can extrapolate better with a larger sample size

 

[crazybob]

More accurately, one third of people who are sdn members and feeling like visiting the site and then posting don't have a job. I know if I graduated and was working a job I'd be way more likely to be spending my free time doing things other than answering a forum poll about my job status , haha. Whereas if I was unemployed id probably be spamming sdn and jumping right into such polls. Well hopefully we can extrapolate better with a larger sample size

 

[Trakker]

More accurately, one third of people who are sdn members and feeling like visiting the site and then posting don't have a job. I know if I graduated and was working a job I'd be way more likely to be spending my free time doing things other than answering a forum poll about my job status , haha. Whereas if I was unemployed id probably be spamming sdn and jumping right into such polls. Well hopefully we can extrapolate better with a larger sample size

i am currently a working pharmacist and I post on this board. Actually many graduating students visit this site for the naplex threads and if they got a job, most of them don't start until mid July-August since they have to pass the board first.

 

[jasonkido]

i am currently a working pharmacist and I post on this board. Actually many graduating students visit this site for the naplex threads and if they got a job, most of them don't start until mid July-August since they have to pass the board first.

I use sdn when I'm at work. Its one of the sites that isn't blocked by our web filtering system.

 

[moissanite69]

😕Interesting. As of now, only 46% of class 2011 have secured their job offers. 😕

 

[owlegrad]

😕Interesting. As of now, only 46% of class 2011 have secured their job offers. 😕

So you think this poll can be extrapolated for the Class of 2011 as a whole?

 

[moissanite69]

So you think this poll can be extrapolated for the Class of 2011 as a whole?

No, definitely not. Those are random people and they could lie. I hope they did. In the meantime, a student who used to do clinical rotation at our hospital came back yesterday and begged for a job. We don't have any position right now and he was desperate (just licensed). I felt bad for the young kid. He claimed more than 30% of his classmates are still scrambling for work. Btw, he graduated from a school in California, too. How about you? You have a job offer yet?

 

[owlegrad]

No, definitely not. Those are random people and they could lie. I hope they did. In the meantime, a student who used to do clinical rotation at our hospital came back yesterday and begged for a job. We don't have any position right now and he was desperate (just licensed). I felt bad for the young kid. He claimed more than 30% of his classmates are still scrambling for work. Btw, he graduated from a school in California, too. How about you? You have a job offer yet?

Can I let you know in 2 years?

No worries though - I didn't participate in your poll as it did not apply to me. 👍

 

[moissanite69]

Can I let you know in 2 years?

No worries though - I didn't participate in your poll as it did not apply to me. 👍

I'm sure you'll get a great job by then. Two more years , economy should pick up. 👍

 

[BenLysta]

No, definitely not. Those are random people and they could lie. I hope they did. In the meantime, a student who used to do clinical rotation at our hospital came back yesterday and begged for a job. We don't have any position right now and he was desperate (just licensed). I felt bad for the young kid. He claimed more than 30% of his classmates are still scrambling for work. Btw, he graduated from a school in California, too. How about you? You have a job offer yet?

Not having a job is so scary! Do you mind if I ask where is the hospital and what pharmacy school did he graduate from?

 

[Pharmacy Kid]

I consider myself a competitive applicant but didn't get any job offers until last week. I had 3 that week. To those who still don't have jobs, stay positive and keep your head up. Tap your extensive network if you haven't already. Don't be ashamed to email your preceptors who gave you good evals and tell them you're still looking. Keep asking classmates if they know of any available positions.

Oh yea, it helps to be flexible and willing to work odd hours and/or move. Good luck.

 

[PumpkinSmasher]

I consider myself a competitive applicant but didn't get any job offers until last week. I had 3 that week. To those who still don't have jobs, stay positive and keep your head up. Tap your extensive network if you haven't already. Don't be ashamed to email your preceptors who gave you good evals and tell them you're still looking. Keep asking classmates if they know of any available positions.

Oh yea, it helps to be flexible and willing to work odd hours and/or move. Good luck.

Thought you were set on Public Health Service? What setting did you end up deciding on?

 

[nafcillin]

It doesn't look as scary as things appear on here. I hope everyone is able to find jobs and pay some of those loans back.

 

[mustang sally]

I consider myself a competitive applicant but didn't get any job offers until last week. I had 3 that week. To those who still don't have jobs, stay positive and keep your head up. Tap your extensive network if you haven't already. Don't be ashamed to email your preceptors who gave you good evals and tell them you're still looking. Keep asking classmates if they know of any available positions.

Oh yea, it helps to be flexible and willing to work odd hours and/or move. Good luck.

Totally random, but I just have to tell you that I get a good laugh every time I read your rules of journal club.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

My wife graduated in 2010 and still has no job. Graduated Cum Laude.

Though to be honest, I kind of dig the whole having my clothes washed, dinner cooked, and house cleaned with no effort on my part thing.

She's looking into a fellowship or residency for next cycle locally. She's also looking into PA school. Though if she can get a job, that'd be great. Doesn't look very promising though. $90,000 down the drain. A useless degree, thus far.

 

[CUpharmD2013]

My wife graduated in 2010 and still has no job. Graduated Cum Laude.

Though to be honest, I kind of dig the whole having my clothes washed, dinner cooked, and house cleaned with no effort on my part thing.

She's looking into a fellowship or residency for next cycle locally. She's also looking into PA school. Though if she can get a job, that'd be great. Doesn't look very promising though. $90,000 down the drain. A useless degree, thus far.

What did your wife get her degree in? My wife is in the same situation. MBA with emphasis in HR, graduated Magna Cum Laude, can't even get a phone call.

 

[PharmaTope]

What did your wife get her degree in? My wife is in the same situation. MBA with emphasis in HR, graduated Magna Cum Laude, can't even get a phone call.

his wife got a degree in PHARMACY, she is a pharmacist, a pharmd, a doctor of pharmacy

 

[jasonkido]

My wife graduated in 2010 and still has no job. Graduated Cum Laude.

Though to be honest, I kind of dig the whole having my clothes washed, dinner cooked, and house cleaned with no effort on my part thing.

She's looking into a fellowship or residency for next cycle locally. She's also looking into PA school. Though if she can get a job, that'd be great. Doesn't look very promising though. $90,000 down the drain. A useless degree, thus far.

Is she only looking for a job in your neck of the woods or is she looking around the whole state?

 

[owlegrad]

It doesn't look as scary as things appear on here. I hope everyone is able to find jobs and pay some of those loans back.

Firey sulfur would have to rain from the sky for forty days and forty nights for things to be as bad as they appear sometimes on here.

 

[30Percent]

My wife graduated in 2010 and still has no job. Graduated Cum Laude.

Though to be honest, I kind of dig the whole having my clothes washed, dinner cooked, and house cleaned with no effort on my part thing.

She's looking into a fellowship or residency for next cycle locally. She's also looking into PA school. Though if she can get a job, that'd be great. Doesn't look very promising though. $90,000 down the drain. A useless degree, thus far.

I never knew West Virginia was saturated.

 

[moissanite69]

News came out today.This month, the unemployment rate is 9.2,worse than last month. I am now convinced that our future and job market is not bright.

 

[Judgment Dragon]

What pharmacy school did your house graduated from? 😕

My wife graduated in 2010 and still has no job. Graduated Cum Laude.

Though to be honest, I kind of dig the whole having my clothes washed, dinner cooked, and house cleaned with no effort on my part thing.

She's looking into a fellowship or residency for next cycle locally. She's also looking into PA school. Though if she can get a job, that'd be great. Doesn't look very promising though. $90,000 down the drain. A useless degree, thus far.

 

[Pharmacy Kid]

What pharmacy school did your house graduated from? 😕

His house graduated from the Residential School of Pharmacy.

 

[Pharmacy Kid]

Thought you were set on Public Health Service? What setting did you end up deciding on?

I got a verbal offer from an IHS site. I verbally accepted.

 

[xiphoid2010]

I got a verbal offer from an IHS site. I verbally accepted.

congrats! The thing with the government jobs, you are pretty much set for life. Just keep your head down at work, focus on family life, put in your 40 hour week and 20 years and retire with a nifty little pension. It's not so great if you are young and ambitious, try to get ahead in a hurry. Everything is done by the rule and politics, and there are more of those than you fill a library with. So more likely than not, expect a slow (but steady) crawl up the pay scale. 😀

 

[jasonkido]

congrats! The thing with the government jobs, you are pretty much set for life. Just keep your head down at work, focus on family life, put in your 40 hour week and 20 years and retire with a nifty little pension. It's not so great if you are young and ambitious, try to get ahead in a hurry. Everything is done by the rule and politics, and there are more of those than you fill a library with. So more likely than not, expect a slow (but steady) crawl up the pay scale. 😀

Are you saying if you get a government job and work for 20 years lets say when you're 24, you will get pension for life at 44? Thats awesome!

 

[Pharmacy Kid]

congrats! The thing with the government jobs, you are pretty much set for life. Just keep your head down at work, focus on family life, put in your 40 hour week and 20 years and retire with a nifty little pension. It's not so great if you are young and ambitious, try to get ahead in a hurry. Everything is done by the rule and politics, and there are more of those than you fill a library with. So more likely than not, expect a slow (but steady) crawl up the pay scale. 😀

Thanks. I haven't even started yet, and I've experienced the slow crawl of federal govt. The DOP is good, she has done all her paperwork, its just the other people that need to do their $h!t. I am young and ambitious so it'll be a battle with the burecracy, but my DOP said she'll be supportive if/when I decide to start amb care clinics.

PHS is not for everyone, but after weighing the pros and cons, it feels right for me.

 

[xiphoid2010]

Are you saying if you get a government job and work for 20 years lets say when you're 24, you will get pension for life at 44? Thats awesome!

If I remember correctly, it's 1% of your salary for each year of service, and you get the pension after putting in 20 years. Not sure if it goes above that if you serve 30 or 40.

Edit:
yup it does. 1% per year of service, even better if you retire after 62, because then it's calculated using 1.1%. The pension = 1-1.1% x (# of yrs) x (average salary of the highest paid 3 years)

And not to forget that any unpaid student loans are forgiven after 10 years of service. So if you get yourself on the IRB and just pay the minimum, you can save quite a bit.

Then there are the 10 federal holidays off, like veterans day, washington's birthday, columbus day... wtf?!

The government might not always pay as much as non-government, but benefits sure kicks ass. 👍

 

[Judgment Dragon]

If a pharmacy knew that pharmacy school graduates were desperate for a job, would they ever ask new graduates to indicate on their application how much they want to get paid and then pick the candidate with the lowest request for money assuming he or she is still qualified?

 

[p-rog]

If a pharmacy knew that pharmacy school graduates were desperate for a job, would they ever ask new graduates to indicate on their application how much they want to get paid and then pick the candidate with the lowest request for money assuming he or she is still qualified?

No they would just offer low-ball offers and see if they could get people to accept. If people accept the offers, then that's the new standard starting salary.

 

[PegIntron]

If a pharmacy knew that pharmacy school graduates were desperate for a job, would they ever ask new graduates to indicate on their application how much they want to get paid and then pick the candidate with the lowest request for money assuming he or she is still qualified?

I can totally see retails doing this. The district manager gets his bonus partially based on his district's salary so there is a strong motivation to keep cost low.

 

[crazybob]

If a pharmacy knew that pharmacy school graduates were desperate for a job, would they ever ask new graduates to indicate on their application how much they want to get paid and then pick the candidate with the lowest request for money assuming he or she is still qualified?

People I know will leave the area before accepting lower pay.

 

[owlegrad]

I can totally see retails doing this. The district manager gets his bonus partially based on his district's salary so there is a strong motivation to keep cost low.

So hospitals have no incentive to keep expenses low? Only retail district managers try to keep salary low? Interesting. Learn something new everyday. I wonder who makes more on average, a new retail pharmacist or a new staff pharmacist?

Of course I would hate for facts to get in the way of any retail bashing.

 

[PegIntron]

So hospitals have no incentive to keep expenses low? Only retail district managers try to keep salary low? Interesting. Learn something new everyday. I wonder who makes more on average, a new retail pharmacist or a new staff pharmacist?

Of course I would hate for facts to get in the way of any retail bashing.

Hospital works require more skill than retails so the application pool is more limited than retails. Retails district mangers have more options and therefore, can choose and pick someone who is willing to accept a lower salary.

 

[owlegrad]

Hospital works require more skill than retails so the application pool is more limited than retails. Retails district mangers have more options and therefore, can choose and pick someone who is willing to accept a lower salary.

Except that retail salaries are higher on average than inpatient salaries, so there goes your whole argument.

 

[crazybob]

Hospital works require more skill than retails so the application pool is more limited than retails. Retails district mangers have more options and therefore, can choose and pick someone who is willing to accept a lower salary.

I think they would choose options other than retail if the salary was going to be low for them. Graduates and pharmacists have options too.

 

[PegIntron]

Except that retail salaries are higher on average than inpatient salaries, so there goes your whole argument.

That had to do with the high demand in retails. The high demand is no longer there and therefore, its salary will drop faster than hospital. It is a matter of time.

 

[owlegrad]

That had to do with the high demand in retails. The high demand is no longer there and therefore, its salary will drop faster than hospital. It is a matter of time.

Gotcha.

 

[Judgment Dragon]

People I know will leave the area before accepting lower pay.

What are some areas that have a shortage of pharmacists? 😕 I tried searching this on Google.

Also has anyone heard or seen any employer do this (doesn't have to be related to pharmacy):

If an employer knew that college graduates of a certain field were desperate for a job, would they ever ask new graduates to indicate on their application how much they want to get paid and then pick the candidate with the lowest request for money assuming he or she is still qualified?

 

[p-rog]

What are some areas that have a shortage of pharmacists? 😕 I tried searching this on Google.

Anywhere BFE basically