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so, the cheating situation in the class i ta'd for is resolved. the girl confessed and shes gonna take a D. the guy will probably get a F. she's a premed with a 3.9 gpa too, gonna have to explain this one in her interviews!
 
dingyibvs said:
so, the cheating situation in the class i ta'd for is resolved. the girl confessed and shes gonna take a D. the guy will probably get a F. she's a premed with a 3.9 gpa too, gonna have to explain this one in her interviews!
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womp wommppp
 
dingyibvs said:
so, the cheating situation in the class i ta'd for is resolved. the girl confessed and shes gonna take a D. the guy will probably get a F. she's a premed with a 3.9 gpa too, gonna have to explain this one in her interviews!
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damn

*waits for her to create a thread on SDN*
 
dingyibvs said:
so, the cheating situation in the class i ta'd for is resolved. the girl confessed and shes gonna take a D. the guy will probably get a F. she's a premed with a 3.9 gpa too, gonna have to explain this one in her interviews!
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she can kiss med school goodbye now probably 😱. sad
 
bobsmith said:
damn

*waits for her to create a thread on SDN*
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LOL so true. Seriously the PA threads are ridic lately....i dont think this time last year it was this bad. I cant even read 99% of them anymore w/o :eyebrow::smack:
 
dingyibvs said:
so, the cheating situation in the class i ta'd for is resolved. the girl confessed and shes gonna take a D. the guy will probably get a F. she's a premed with a 3.9 gpa too, gonna have to explain this one in her interviews!
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I kinda feel bad for them, but not at the same time. I wonder if these are instances of people showing their characters as bad apples or if the whole system has gotten so stressful that it's literally pushing people past breaking points.

I graduated HS in 01, undergrad in 05. In just 5 short years, the pressures have increased noticeably in both places. And it was pretty bad when I was there already. Some days I seriously worry about the direction this is all heading in. I ran away from the Indian education system precisely because it was insanely pressured etc.. and I feel like the American system is headed in that direction too. If it is following in the footsteps (pressure cooker wise) towards the Indian system... I can tell you the ending isn't very happy 🙁

Ok I started somewhere and ended up somewhere very different; can we get back to my man kanye? :laugh:
 
man i have such good eyes. i may look like im just chillin in the front of the auditorium chattin on sdn, but im really keeping an eye on them too :meanie:
 
Elijah05 said:
LOL so true. Seriously the PA threads are ridic lately....i dont think this time last year it was this bad. I cant even read 99% of them anymore w/o :eyebrow::smack:
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seems to get worse every year eh
 
Elijah05 said:
she can kiss med school goodbye now probably 😱. sad
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idk how it works. apparently theyll be put on some sort of academic probation. profs will keep an eye on them, but their record will be expunged upon graduation. idk if they still have to report it.
 
dingyibvs said:
idk how it works. apparently theyll be put on some sort of academic probation. profs will keep an eye on them, but their record will be expunged upon graduation. idk if they still have to report it.
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oh well as long as theres no record of it i guess no harm done. She can explain the bad grade away and lie i suppose. But any record im sure cheating and lack of academic integrity would be a death sentance for med school admission.

cant wait for cavs celtics tonight.!🙂 So bored right now...
 
Sentinel said:
seems to get worse every year eh
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i don't know if it really does. i think once you're looking from the outside it seems worse than when you were in it.

the physicians in my office who are 30-40s tell me how competitive it was, the cheating that happened, etc. medicine in the US is a very competitive profession, just as law and business. put all these people together in one place and you're asking for trouble.
 
Elijah05 said:
oh well as long as theres no record of it i guess no harm done. She can explain the bad grade away and lie i suppose. But any record im sure cheating and lack of academic integrity would be a death sentance for med school admission.

cant wait for cavs celtics tonight.!🙂 So bored right now...
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she'd really be digging herself a bigger hole if she lied about cheating :laugh:
 
anyone see any value in those pre-matriculation programs that med schools offer? UCD offers one and i know others due where you spend like 3 weeks or something learning a bit before school starts. In some ways i think it might be cool to get a leg up and not be so stressed those 1st few weeks as well as getting to know future classmates. but on the other hand, why start the stress of studying so early. Anyone think its worthwhile? I probably wont do it because id rather spend time with my son but just curious (and bored😛 )
 
Elijah05 said:
oh well as long as theres no record of it i guess no harm done. She can explain the bad grade away and lie i suppose. But any record im sure cheating and lack of academic integrity would be a death sentance for med school admission.
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eh; people screw up. If they own up to it and say/prove they've changed, might still have a shot.

Definitely not cheating's the way to go. But if you do cheat, and have the guts to own up to it and prove that you've become a better person - I duno, that kinda shows strong character right there too no?

Watch, any PAs that come read this are going to think I recommend they go cheat, get caught and heroically turn their life around :meanie:
 
bobsmith said:
she'd really be digging herself a bigger hole if she lied about cheating :laugh:
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well if those no official record then they would never know? In some ways i mean she would have to "lie" or at least not mention that she cheated and just chalk it up to one poor grade for w/e reason (maturity, family issues, w/e). I mean saying you cheated is basically game over id think. I do see your and sentinels point though. Im just playing devils advocate really lol. Just dont be a ***** and cheat i mean if you have a 3.9 chances are you didnt need to cheat.
 
dingyibvs said:
man i have such good eyes. i may look like im just chillin in the front of the auditorium chattin on sdn, but im really keeping an eye on them too :meanie:
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Dingyibvs, I'm sure someone has already complimented you on this before, but your avatar is fantastic! Did you animate that yourself? I hope that's the reality of things for myself over the next 4 years 🙂
 
Elijah05 said:
oh well as long as theres no record of it i guess no harm done. She can explain the bad grade away and lie i suppose. But any record im sure cheating and lack of academic integrity would be a death sentance for med school admission.

cant wait for cavs celtics tonight.!🙂 So bored right now...
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isnt there a question about if uve ever been put on academic probation? i wonder if she could lie on that and get away with it.
 
dingyibvs said:
isnt there a question about if uve ever been put on academic probation? i wonder if she could lie on that and get away with it.
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there is but that is my point. If theres no record theres no trace other then a "D" in her transcripts. The D could be explained in several ways. If theres a record she cant not say anything, but if no record then...? Id assume there is some sort of record for things that like. Academic integrity is huge and ive never really known my school, or any other major university at least to take things like that lightly. My school basically expels you if its something as blatant as it sounds like in that girls case.

Anyways w/e lol.
 
Elijah05 said:
anyone see any value in those pre-matriculation programs that med schools offer? UCD offers one and i know others due where you spend like 3 weeks or something learning a bit before school starts. In some ways i think it might be cool to get a leg up and not be so stressed those 1st few weeks as well as getting to know future classmates. but on the other hand, why start the stress of studying so early. Anyone think its worthwhile? I probably wont do it because id rather spend time with my son but just curious (and bored😛 )
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I'd take the three extra weeks of vacation personally.
 
CytokineStorm said:
Dingyibvs, I'm sure someone has already complimented you on this before, but your avatar is fantastic! Did you animate that yourself? I hope that's the reality of things for myself over the next 4 years 🙂
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well no, actually, the uncouth aholes on this thread mostly complained about its seizure-inducing potential 😛 i didnt make it myself, i just edited the original to to fit my situation. i sure hope we all destroy med school like that stick! 😀
 
Elijah05 said:
anyone see any value in those pre-matriculation programs that med schools offer? UCD offers one and i know others due where you spend like 3 weeks or something learning a bit before school starts. In some ways i think it might be cool to get a leg up and not be so stressed those 1st few weeks as well as getting to know future classmates. but on the other hand, why start the stress of studying so early. Anyone think its worthwhile? I probably wont do it because id rather spend time with my son but just curious (and bored😛 )
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my understanding of the programs is that it's not as much for "getting a leg up" as it is for people who feel like they'll legitimately have a hard time adjusting to school after a lot of time off or just aren't accustomed to a heavy science curriculum.

i'd take the 3 weeks off -- enjoy every little bit of time you can while you have it!
 
Elijah05 said:
there is but that is my point. If theres no record theres no trace other then a "D" in her transcripts. The D could be explained in several ways. If theres a record she cant not say anything, but if no record then...? Id assume there is some sort of record for things that like. Academic integrity is huge and ive never really known my school, or any other major university at least to take things like that lightly. My school basically expels you if its something as blatant as it sounds like in that girls case.

Anyways w/e lol.
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I think the real question is how many times had she pulled something like that off. Supposedly she's a 3.9 gpa pre-med, what would that gpa be if she didn't cheat, or was that her first time cheating ever. If she has a severe drop off now that she's on probation it could be obvious that she was not a good applicant after all.
 
bobsmith said:
my understanding of the programs is that it's not as much for "getting a leg up" as it is for people who feel like they'll legitimately have a hard time adjusting to school after a lot of time off or just aren't accustomed to a heavy science curriculum.

i'd take the 3 weeks off -- enjoy every little bit of time you can while you have it!
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by leg up i just meant that you would be more adjusted to school then the dude who shows up day 1. I didnt mean like you were now going to be insta top of your class or something. Im taking the time off no matter what becuase id rather spend time with my son but i was wondering what value others may see in it.
 
Sentinel said:
eh; people screw up. If they own up to it and say/prove they've changed, might still have a shot.

Definitely not cheating's the way to go. But if you do cheat, and have the guts to own up to it and prove that you've become a better person - I duno, that kinda shows strong character right there too no?

Watch, any PAs that come read this are going to think I recommend they go cheat, get caught and heroically turn their life around :meanie:
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the thing is, she and presumably her bf have been taking like all courses together, and we suspect that they've been cheating the whole class rather than just on the final, so who knows how much and for how long they've been at it?
 
dingyibvs said:
the thing is, she and presumably her bf have been taking like all courses together, and we suspect that they've been cheating the whole class rather than just on the final, so who knows how much and for how long they've been at it?
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That is kind've why you have the MCAT though. But yeah, it's b.s. I hate when people cheat and it throws off the curve. For Physics we were allowed a cheat sheet, and the prof never really checked our cheat sheets, so people would bring in copies of old exams and other things and use them as cheat sheets... Definitely threw off the curve.
 
bleargh said:
the key is to dominate hard enough to stay above the fray
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In lower level classes it wasn't hard to be at the top, but the higher level science classes have some pretty good competition.

You make it sound like it's easy though. How do you dominate at such at a competitive school?
 
oaklandguy said:
That is kind've why you have the MCAT though. But yeah, it's b.s. I hate when people cheat and it throws off the curve. For Physics we were allowed a cheat sheet, and the prof never really checked our cheat sheets, so people would bring in copies of old exams and other things and use them as cheat sheets... Definitely threw off the curve.
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👎 to curves. Profs should know the material well enough to create tests that result in reasonable grade distributions.
 
TooMuchResearch said:
👎 to curves. Profs should know the material well enough to create tests that result in reasonable grade distributions.
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The calc-based Physics class I was in usually had a mean of around 60% for the exams, although it seemed similar to my gen-chem means. On each exam several people scored 100%'s, but it became clear that people were blatantly cheating, so the prof ended up writing completely new exams and changed up the schedule of what would be on the exams because the people who were cheating were also people that would skip class.

The final grade distribution was 8% A's. However, an A under Oakland University policy is anywhere between a 3.6-4.0. I happened to be part of that 8% and I think the actual percentage I obtained was an 87% in the class.
 
oaklandguy said:
In lower level classes it wasn't hard to be at the top, but the higher level science classes have some pretty good competition.

You make it sound like it's easy though. How do you dominate at such at a competitive school?
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just work it, brother. you know what it takes, which is more than what i could have said for myself when i was in your position.
 
Elijah05 said:
by leg up i just meant that you would be more adjusted to school then the dude who shows up day 1. I didnt mean like you were now going to be insta top of your class or something. Im taking the time off no matter what becuase id rather spend time with my son but i was wondering what value others may see in it.
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i guess it depends on how intense that pre-matriculation course is

if it's sort of an intense course, then you're really just moving up your adjustment period by 3 weeks (but yeah, you'll be good to go when school starts), but if it's not really intense, then that does give you some extra time to settle your family in, get to know the area, etc (but you'll still have to adjust to the presumably more intense med school classes once they start)
 
dingyibvs said:
have u tried calling or emailing them to ask?
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I will probably call both either tomorrow or Thursday afternoon. Problem is that my finals cause time conflicts. I'll be finished by 2pm on Thursday and I will call both schools then, VCU first.

Elijah05 said:
anyone see any value in those pre-matriculation programs that med schools offer? UCD offers one and i know others due where you spend like 3 weeks or something learning a bit before school starts. In some ways i think it might be cool to get a leg up and not be so stressed those 1st few weeks as well as getting to know future classmates. but on the other hand, why start the stress of studying so early. Anyone think its worthwhile? I probably wont do it because id rather spend time with my son but just curious (and bored😛 )
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I have the next 4 years of my life to do med school. I don't want to spend my last summer before med school doing med school.

bobsmith said:
my understanding of the programs is that it's not as much for "getting a leg up" as it is for people who feel like they'll legitimately have a hard time adjusting to school after a lot of time off or just aren't accustomed to a heavy science curriculum.

i'd take the 3 weeks off -- enjoy every little bit of time you can while you have it!
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This is how I feel - it's for the peopl that are worried about not doing well or the peopl who feel that they "barely" made it in or had a hard time in key science classes in undergrad.
 
bleargh said:
just work it, brother. you know what it takes, which is more than what i could have said for myself when i was in your position.
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Yeah, I don't think I would have the same GPA I wield now if I were at the institution you attend. It's also nice to have profs actually notice your hard work though, and I'm sure they do it at all Universities, but I feel like I get a lot of encouragement and motivation from teaching profs and researchers at OU. Everyone needs a pick-me-up once in a while.
 
yea elijah, i think 3 extra weeks off would be better, u cant get that much of a leg up anyway.
 
Of course, without a curve you might occasionally run into profs like this one:

Exam one - our mean is 60. We get called stupid.

Exam two - our mean is closer to 75. Calling us stupid must have worked!

Exam three - whoops, 50. We had to redo part of the exam as a group exercise for no credit :laugh:

Exam four - almost hit an 80! Go team.

Overall class exam average was around 65. A solid, mid-range D. The lab was worth ~25% of the overall grade, so our overall average was a bit higher. Ah memories. I now recall how our exams were returned: The prof started class by writing the mean, median, high, and low on the board. Then we had lecture. Then the exams were returned as we walked out.
 
Sentinel said:
I kinda feel bad for them, but not at the same time. I wonder if these are instances of people showing their characters as bad apples or if the whole system has gotten so stressful that it's literally pushing people past breaking points.

I graduated HS in 01, undergrad in 05. In just 5 short years, the pressures have increased noticeably in both places. And it was pretty bad when I was there already. Some days I seriously worry about the direction this is all heading in. I ran away from the Indian education system precisely because it was insanely pressured etc.. and I feel like the American system is headed in that direction too. If it is following in the footsteps (pressure cooker wise) towards the Indian system... I can tell you the ending isn't very happy 🙁

Ok I started somewhere and ended up somewhere very different; can we get back to my man kanye? :laugh:
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seriously. the high school kids these days are being stretched beyond belief. i agree it's getting to be a bit much

oaklandguy said:
Yeah, I don't think I would have the same GPA I wield now if I were at the institution you attend. It's also nice to have profs actually notice your hard work though, and I'm sure they do it at all Universities, but I feel like I get a lot of encouragement and motivation from teaching profs and researchers at OU. Everyone needs a pick-me-up once in a while.
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you know where i went to college?
take the encouragement and stay humble, keep working hard. it'll pay off.
 
the things i remember from SDN -

1) stop the hate dont discriminate
2) sketchy
3) medium robbins
 
gosh, if you're going to read ahead you might as well go big and read big robbins
 
TooMuchResearch said:
Of course, without a curve you might occasionally run into profs like this one:

Exam one - our mean is 60. We get called stupid.

Exam two - our mean is closer to 75. Calling us stupid must have worked!

Exam three - whoops, 50. We had to redo part of the exam as a group exercise for no credit :laugh:

Exam four - almost hit an 80! Go team.

Overall class exam average was around 65. A solid, mid-range D. The lab was worth ~25% of the overall grade, so our overall average was a bit higher. Ah memories. I now recall how our exams were returned: The prof started class by writing the mean, median, high, and low on the board. Then we had lecture. Then the exams were returned as we walked out.
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Yeah that sounds horrible lol. Our lab was worth 5% homework was 20% and 3 exams worth 15% final worth 30%. Homework was no joke though, but the prof curved each exam separately and not the entire class because he caught onto the cheating due to sooo many people with 100%'s and then the rest of people getting under 50%'s.

I would hate to have to wait till the end of class to get your exam AFTER having seen the median and mean.

bleargh said:
you know where i went to college?
take the encouragement and try to become more humble, keep working hard. it'll pay off.
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Fixed that one for you, I'm working on it though. It's hard when you have a competitive nature, but no excuses.

I don't know exactly where, but I know enough to know it's a little more competitive than tier 4 😎
 
TooMuchResearch said:
You haven't memorized it yet? You'll make a wonderful doctor 😀
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I am hoping to replace all the useless information I remember about sports with all the useless information I will need memorize to ace step I. Pulsus paradoxus in, Michael Jordan's career ppg out.
 
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