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FSAP said:
It's only for accepted, not waitlisted. I know because I was on a bunch of waitlists last year.
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weird, 'cause the email said waitlisted or accepted

You have received this email because you have been waitlisted or conditionally accepted by one or more of the medical schools participating in the AAMC-facilitated program for performing criminal background checks on conditionally accepted applicants and waiting list applicants. Please note that the requesting medical school will be notified if consent is not provided, and that failure to provide consent may result in failing to meet the requesting medical school's admissions requirements
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i have free tix to the sixers wizards game tonight, but i have no intention of going. was hoping to make some money so i could sit front row for the kings, but craig your list didn't deliver
 
CielloStelatto said:
were those for md or mstp?
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which mstp programs did you apply to? would you go this year MD only or wait and try again?


@brooklyn

at the moment no idea. may not get in anywhere.

do you guys think it would be better to take an extra year off in between if i don't get in anywhere? i mean, if I apply this year, there won't be much new info on my app (i'm still in school). then again, i'd definitely apply earlier and to less competitive schools.
 
scapermoya said:
which mstp programs did you apply to? would you go this year MD only or wait and try again?


@brooklyn

at the moment no idea. may not get in anywhere.

do you guys think it would be better to take an extra year off in between if i don't get in anywhere? i mean, if I apply this year, there won't be much new info on my app (i'm still in school). then again, i'd definitely apply earlier and to less competitive schools.
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places like OSU says you should take a year off before applying again. I think you just applied late, most ppl on this thread applied in June including myself (I had nothing to do, I've been out of school for like almost 2 years now, but I graduated a year early and I'm pretty immature so I really enjoyed working)

I think a year off is enjoyable. but you probably would end up getting in this year :xf:
 
brooklynblunder said:
places like OSU says you should take a year off before applying again. I think you just applied late, most ppl on this thread applied in June including myself (I had nothing to do, I've been out of school for like almost 2 years now, but I graduated a year early and I'm pretty immature so I really enjoyed working)

I think a year off is enjoyable. but you probably would end up getting in this year :xf:
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thanks for the vote of confidence. i need it.

why don't schools just make the deadlines way earlier? it seems sort of deceptive to have such late deadlines when the probability goes down so much as time passes.

georgetown's secondary isn't even due until tonight!
 
schools are some snakes dawg, with that said, my friend got into a school off the waitlist last year and his amcas went on the last day + secondary went on the last day so you never know
 
Shareholders of companies that used endorsements from Tiger Woods to sell their products have lost an estimated $5 billion to $12 billion because of the star golfer's well-publicized zipper problem, according to a study at the University of California.

"We estimate that in the days beginning with Tiger Woods' recent car accident and ending with his announced ‘indefinite leave' from golf, shareholders of companies that Mr. Woods endorses lost $5 billion to $12 billion in wealth," researchers reported.

"Because most of the firms that Mr. Woods endorses are either large or owned by large parent companies, the losses are extremely widespread … Woods' top five sponsors (Accenture, Nike, Gillette, Electronic Arts and Gatorade) lost 2-3 percent of their aggregate market value after the accident, and his core sports-related sponsors EA, Nike and PepsiCo (Gatorade) lost over four percent."
 
CielloStelatto said:
were those for md or mstp?
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Yeah, but I only applied to six schools and ended up with four waitlists.

And I am Iowa bound right now. Withdrew from everywhere else except Prtizker and Wisconsin.
 
oh **** i have to withdraw from there, they sent me like 3 emails about if im gonna go or not
 
that reminds me of an article I read about the Yes Men the other day.

they are an anti-consumerist activist organization that poses as representatives of corporations. news outlets get tricked into letting them on air, and they do their best to damage the companies they are opposed to.

in one incident, a member got on BBC posing as a spokesperson for Dow chemical. he said the company was liquidating their subsidiary Union Carbide as a way to pay for cleaning up all the environmental disasters they have caused over the years, especially the Bhopal disaster in india ~25 years ago.

the resulting selling frenzy lost Dow 2 billion in a day.

I have to believe those stocks (like dow's eventually did) will bounce back. nobody had a clue about Tiger, and thus i don't think it represents poor business practices.

still amazing how much of an effect one horny dude can have.
 
scapermoya said:
which mstp programs did you apply to? would you go this year MD only or wait and try again?
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i'm going for the mstp. haven't heard either way from the schools yet, though. bah. i'm sticking midwest, so i had MN, MI, WI, MCW, UChicago, WashU, and haven't heard from NW yet. and i got nixed at iowa where an interviewer didn't think i was enthusiastic. bah. weird thing is that i totally was, except that interviewer didn't talk at all and it felt sooo long.

FSAP said:
Yeah, but I only applied to six schools and ended up with four waitlists.

And I am Iowa bound right now. Withdrew from everywhere else except Prtizker and Wisconsin.
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gotcha.
 
brooklynblunder said:
so, where is everyone going next year as of now
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im not sure at all. if my acceptances stay as they are it'll probably just be who has the best financial aid bt/w penn state and evms. my top 3 (as of now) are dartmouth, georgetown and downstate and my status at them are waiting to hear post-interview, waitlisted, and pre-interview so anything could happen.
 
I got three of those background check e-mails from AMCAS. Kinda scary hahah
 
CielloStelatto said:
i'm going for the mstp. haven't heard either way from the schools yet, though. bah. i'm sticking midwest, so i had MN, MI, WI, MCW, UChicago, WashU, and haven't heard from NW yet. and i got nixed at iowa where an interviewer didn't think i was enthusiastic. bah. weird thing is that i totally was, except that interviewer didn't talk at all and it felt sooo long.
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did the interviewer tell you that to your face when it was over?

can I ask why you are so intent on MSTP? i have done a ton of research, and I feel like I will be asked why I didn't do it. i guess my best answer is that I have worked with several MD-only physicians who do a lot of clinical research in their daily work, and it never seemed like they were missing anything.
 
Tatastrophy said:
the latter is entirely possible!
the total was actually <42 dollars. Here
I am PUMPED!
And now I am lustin' after this dress
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I stumbled upon a JCPenny sale like that this past summer. I went to get some new suitcases (because the ones we owned had seen better days) to get ready for interview season. There was a HUGE section of the store that looked like a battle zone, and it turns out they were having a sale, with everything marked down to $2.49. I bought so much stuff and only paid $45

lstone13 said:
Is it weird that I don't like to shop all that much?
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lstone13 said:
Well see, the weird thing for me is that I like clothes and I like fashion, but I just don't like the act of shopping. I get bored and kind of annoyed.
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Nope, I hate shopping, but I like to dress up nicely. That's probably why I never do though. Hahah
 
scapermoya said:
did the interviewer tell you that to your face when it was over?

can I ask why you are so intent on MSTP? i have done a ton of research, and I feel like I will be asked why I didn't do it. i guess my best answer is that I have worked with several MD-only physicians who do a lot of clinical research in their daily work, and it never seemed like they were missing anything.
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I applied MSTP also, but I think I will back out of it

The reason to do a MSTP is because of basic science

you HAVE to want to do basic laboratory science and it has to basically show in your interviews since you get 6-9 interviewers per MSTP

I honestly think PhD is a neccessity in doing high level of basic sciences research + most of your lab members and the people you are mentoring will be doing graduate/basic work, you would want to better understand them from their perspective

a MD is supplemental resource to conduct more relevant research. It gives you greater access to organs, patients, samples, etc. A PhD would have to wait for a collaborator to do extensive translational research, as a MD, PhD you can get access to organs and raise primary cell cultures rather than model cell lines which really don't answer many questions.

thats just my view. MD PhD is more benefitial if you really want to do a PhD. if your goal is to be a doctor dre, mr nwa, mr ak coming straight outta compton so you better make way, i think MD is the better option
 
and i got nixed at iowa where an interviewer didn't think i was enthusiastic. bah. weird thing is that i totally was, except that interviewer didn't talk at all and it felt sooo long.
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They rejected you? That's just morbidly obese. You will probably get into WashU though since they have a lot of spots.
 
brooklynblunder said:
I applied MSTP also, but I think I will back out of it

The reason to do a MSTP is because of basic science

you HAVE to want to do basic laboratory science and it has to basically show in your interviews since you get 6-9 interviewers per MSTP

I honestly think PhD is a neccessity in doing high level of basic sciences research + most of your lab members and the people you are mentoring will be doing graduate/basic work, you would want to better understand them from their perspective

a MD is supplemental resource to conduct more relevant research. It gives you greater access to organs, patients, samples, etc. A PhD would have to wait for a collaborator to do extensive translational research, as a MD, PhD you can get access to organs and raise primary cell cultures rather than model cell lines which really don't answer many questions.

thats just my view. MD PhD is more benefitial if you really want to do a PhD. if your goal is to be a doctor dre, mr nwa, mr ak coming straight outta compton so you better make way, i think MD is the better option
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omg, that's what i wrote my PS about. how'd you guess my motivations for going into medicine
 
brooklynblunder said:
I honestly think PhD is a neccessity in doing high level of basic sciences research + most of your lab members and the people you are mentoring will be doing graduate/basic work, you would want to better understand them from their perspective
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I interviewed with a Nobel-winning, MD-only researcher at UT Southwestern during my only MSTP interview last year. Funnily enough, apparently he once had someone who didn't know who he was ask him "How has not having a PhD hindered your ability to do research?" He answered, "I think I've done pretty well."

Lots and lots of MD researchers do a lot of excellent work without a PhD. Whether that will continue to be the case or if the increase in people going the MD/PhD route will make it harder to get funding as an MD-only researcher, I guess we'll see.
 
Its true that you can do w/ a MD - one of previous PIs is a harvard trained MD and he had a sick career, but if you are like most people you are going to need some kind of training in the basic sciences. whether it be post doc, or a phd. this is where free tuition + stipend is more beneficial than spending your 30s doing a post medical school post doctorate
 
brooklynblunder said:
Its true that you can do w/ a MD - one of previous PIs is a harvard trained MD and he had a sick career, but if you are like most people you are going to need some kind of training in the basic sciences. whether it be post doc, or a phd. this is where free tuition + stipend is more beneficial than spending your 30s doing a post medical school post doctorate
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the money thing makes a lot of sense, but there are so few MSTP spots in the country. i guess my question was more about why MD/PhD in general, money aside.

the time I have spent in labs as an undergraduate has given me a lot of appreciation for basic research and a solid grasp of what 'real science' is. in a way I feel as though my experiences over the last few years have given me what I would have wanted from a PhD, just sans the actual degree. that being said, I think I would have applied MSTP had I done everything earlier, especially since you can get accepted MD only via that route.
 
Somebody from this thread needs to make it into Baylor this year. I'm still holding out hope for ksmi and metallica, and if you stick around scaper, I suppose I'll start rooting for you as well 🙂
 
scapermoya said:
the money thing makes a lot of sense, but there are so few MSTP spots in the country. i guess my question was more about why MD/PhD in general, money aside.
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Most schools have MD/PhD programs with full tuition+stipend. It's just the MSTP schools get funded from the NIH, and that money doesn't have to be paid back later if the student decides they want to drop the PhD part of the program; at the other schools, if you decide halfway in you don't want to do the PhD, you've gotta pay them back.
 
GoSpursGo said:
Somebody from this thread needs to make it into Baylor this year. I'm still holding out hope for ksmi and metallica, and if you stick around scaper, I suppose I'll start rooting for you as well 🙂
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whether it's true or not, i keep telling myself that once you have made it to the interview it's a level playing field from there. i feel like i can melt faces in an interview setting, and I plan on sticking around here. hopefully we all get in.
 
scapermoya said:
the money thing makes a lot of sense, but there are so few MSTP spots in the country. i guess my question was more about why MD/PhD in general, money aside.

the time I have spent in labs as an undergraduate has given me a lot of appreciation for basic research and a solid grasp of what 'real science' is. in a way I feel as though my experiences over the last few years have given me what I would have wanted from a PhD, just sans the actual degree. that being said, I think I would have applied MSTP had I done everything earlier, especially since you can get accepted MD only via that route.
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the thing about MSTP apps are that they have weird ass review times

if they want to interview you, they will. but if they are not sure, then your app will be on hold forever and you might not make it in time for MD review.
 
GoSpursGo said:
Most schools have MD/PhD programs with full tuition+stipend. It's just the MSTP schools get funded from the NIH, and that money doesn't have to be paid back later if the student decides they want to drop the PhD part of the program; at the other schools, if you decide halfway in you don't want to do the PhD, you've gotta pay them back.
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yea. i def would not drop out of a program though, i can tell they hate it and every program seems so tight knit, they would make your life hell.

funding is more stable/guaranteed via the NIH program. some MD/PhDs actually dont fund (ie some spots at Harvard, JHU, BU, etc) and some stipends arent too high (ie a Temple) and some are nonexistent (GWU)
 
scapermoya said:
whether it's true or not, i keep telling myself that once you have made it to the interview it's a level playing field from there. i feel like i can melt faces in an interview setting, and I plan on sticking around here. hopefully we all get in.
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:shrug: Judging from your MDApps it looks like the rest of your app will only help you as well.
 
doing research kinda sucks though. FSAP and Ciello can tell you, the feeling of accomplishing something is great. Lab meetings are awesome. Journal clubs are pretty cool, but there's a lot of work and a lot of failure.

I honestly think PhD is a much much much harder degree than the MD to successfully and happily accomplish and make a career out of (which is also why you do the MD)

i think realistically most students do MSTP because

1. they liked research, they like their names published on articles
2. free tuition/stipend even if its less money in the long run (and it probably will be), md/phd students are kinda laid back and not having to worry about loans + possibility of owning a house is a huge plus for some
3. they dont know if they want to practice or do research - this usually kills the interview
 
brooklynblunder said:
yea. i def would not drop out of a program though, i can tell they hate it and every program seems so tight knit, they would make your life hell.

funding is more stable/guaranteed via the NIH program. some MD/PhDs actually dont fund (ie some spots at Harvard, JHU, BU, etc) and some stipends arent too high (ie a Temple) and some are nonexistent (GWU)
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Yeah I'd never drop either.

And orly?
 
GoSpursGo said:
True or false: after the Colts and Chargers, all 6 teams in the NFC are better than the other teams in the AFC?
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false. i still like the patriots over most of the NFC teams. i like the ravens cuz i live close to them and ray rice is a stud

i like the bengals cuz you have to
 
scapermoya said:
did the interviewer tell you that to your face when it was over?

can I ask why you are so intent on MSTP? i have done a ton of research, and I feel like I will be asked why I didn't do it. i guess my best answer is that I have worked with several MD-only physicians who do a lot of clinical research in their daily work, and it never seemed like they were missing anything.
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the interviewer didn't, but i could tell, too. however, I did ask the director and he said i had a good app but the interviewer didn't think i liked iowa that much, and that they had plenty of people who would really like to go there. i guess some places they want more enthusiasm than professional. hopefully i'll have other options, though.
FSAP said:
They rejected you? That's just morbidly obese. You will probably get into WashU though since they have a lot of spots.
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:xf:, though i really liked MI, and MCW folks were super friendly, and MN would be super close to home.

scapermoya said:
the money thing makes a lot of sense, but there are so few MSTP spots in the country. i guess my question was more about why MD/PhD in general, money aside.

the time I have spent in labs as an undergraduate has given me a lot of appreciation for basic research and a solid grasp of what 'real science' is. in a way I feel as though my experiences over the last few years have given me what I would have wanted from a PhD, just sans the actual degree. that being said, I think I would have applied MSTP had I done everything earlier, especially since you can get accepted MD only via that route.
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don't do mstp unless you really like and want to continue doing research. yes, you can do research with an md, but i really wanted the full training in a variety of techniques, which you don't really get with md-research usually
 
here are the lines for the WC games this weekend

CIN favored by 3.0 over the NYJ
NWE favored by 3.5 over the BAL
DAL favored by 4.0 over the PHL
ARI favored by 3.0 over the GBP

which game + line to put money on. im thinking the green bay game will be popular but arizona def didnt play seriously last week
 
i'm sticking with the research because i wouldn't be happy if i wasn't figuring things out (read: trying to figure things out) all the time.
 
GoSpursGo said:
True or false: after the Colts and Chargers, all 6 teams in the NFC are better than the other teams in the AFC?
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Actually, yeah, I would agree with this.

Especially since the Patriots lost Welker and Brady is playing with 3 broken ribs.
 
brooklynblunder said:
here are the lines for the WC games this weekend

CIN favored by 3.0 over the NYJ
NWE favored by 3.5 over the BAL
DAL favored by 4.0 over the PHL
ARI favored by 3.0 over the GBP

which game + line to put money on. im thinking the green bay game will be popular but arizona def didnt play seriously last week
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Baltimore over New England.

That's the only one I'd feel comfortable betting on.
 
CielloStelatto said:
i'm sticking with the research because i wouldn't be happy if i wasn't figuring things out (read: trying to figure things out) all the time.
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i think its a good call for you. its challenging. i think i'm much happier in the hospital than in a lab, so i know i probably wont make the most out of my degrees
 
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