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Artimacia I think your signiture is funny btw... as far as nerdy pick up lines go I would probably go with: if I were a nucleophile and you were an electrophile would you let me attempt a backside attack? :meanie:
 
rHinO1 said:
Artimacia I think your signiture is funny btw... as far as nerdy pick up lines go I would probably go with: if I were a nucleophile and you were an electrophile would you let me attempt a backside attack? :meanie:
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:laugh: :clap:
 
Babe are you 2X? Because I wanna integrate you from 10 to 13.
 
I wish I was your derivative so I could lie tangent to your curves.


and for a more viable pick up line:

If I said you had a hot body would you hold it against me?
 
bleargh said:
actually i can't stand feminists, like most -ists. just to add to why i'm being so srsly right now, the video itself is concerning a deeply serious and troubling issue. israel-palestine, our country's relationship with the muslim world, the latter's relationship with terrorist organizations etc are serious to me. but even without this i would find that joke in poor taste. do i make crude jokes? all the flippin time. i'm a loud gregarious vulgar person. doesn't mean i don't know they're distasteful.




i don't really know why you're getting defensive here. you made a questionable comment and i asked if you were actually joking, which you were. i've learned a while back that there are all sorts of people harbording all kinds of ideas that you or i may find crazy, but hold to them nonetheless. i doubt someone would crack a race joke in a room full of strangers, which is what this situation is.
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Islamic terrorism is something you take serious, but Israel's terrorism isn't... That is probably the entire issue surrounding America's relationship with the Muslim world.

I'll give it to you straight, Israel does stuff that isn't shown on the American media because Israel is using American weapons to do the "stuff"

Now what stuff am I talking about? Sniping down women and children, bombing elementary schools, mosques, and hospitals. Shutting off electricity and water, removing telephone lines, etc. To call these things ethical is ridiculous, to make an excuse for top of the line American missiles being launched at elementary schools is ridiculous. There are acts of terrorism that Israel is pulling off everyday. America turning its shoulder to these is the reason there is anti-American sentiment. It's got very little to do with the invasion of Iraq, or because Americans live lavish lifestyles or anything of that nature. It's because America refuses to acknowledge Zionist terrorism and instead points the fingers at the Arabs. It doesn't help that when 9/11 happened, Americans went insane, but 9/11 happens everyday in Palestine and no one does anything about it. It doesn't help that there is a sentiment that the American government is run by free-masons who are known to be Zionist supporters.

Middle Easterners don't support groups like Hamas for terrorist purposes. They support them because they support fellow Arabs for a cause. It's easy to become galvanized as a people when you see your own people being treated like crap. Arabic news stations show the children missing a leg or with a bullet in their skull. They show the pregnant woman who was run over by an Israeli tank. They show the poor conditions Arabs are living in within the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. When you see stuff like that, you can understand a group like Hamas's mission. I don't think many Arabs support the way Hamas goes about it's business, in the same way most Americans don't support the way American politics has become today, but they support the mission and ideal of the group and that is what matters in the end.

This is coming from a middle easterner who does not support Hamas, Al-Qaeda, Hesiballah, etc.

Edit: One must also think, if Texas was taken over by Mexicans and all Texas' residents were forced into Dallas, then the Mexicans kept screwing with Dallas and bombing the residents, wouldn't people in other states start supporting their families and relatives and countrymen in Dallas? Would they not support their own people? Would you condemn the Texans for fighting back? What if our media showed pictures of people killed in Texas all the time? What if a Texan leader was captured and poisoned? Would you condemn Texas kids for throwing rocks at Mexican tanks when they roam through Dallas running over cars and destroying property? Would you not support the Texans who are living in poverty and in danger of their lives? Would you not give them weapons to protect themselves? Would you not build a hatred for Mexicans?

Put yourself in these people's shoes and you will understand why they support such groups. Throw in the fact that the leaders of these "terrorist" groups speak with incredible zeal and rhetoric and they don't manipulate the Arabic people, but the Arabic people will choose to follow someone who is good at speaking more-so than someone with great ideas who cannot communicate them.
 
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:ninja: homeland security is now onto you...
 
rHinO1 said:
:ninja: homeland security is now onto you...
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They can't deport me, I'm a natural born citizen, I can run for President if I wanted to 😎

Anyways, what are you guys up to this late at night?
 
rHinO1 said:
I agree that it is a serious topic... but after I posted the video I realized that it probably wasn't a good idea. Topics of race, religion, and politics usually don't make good internet chat conversation. My bad.
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I think they make for interesting conversations, but I don't know if this thread is the place for such conversation (my bad for adding into it lol) and I don't think you can call someone disgusting for supporting a view that is the view a majority of a certain race and religion promote.
 
oaklandguy said:
I think they make for interesting conversations, but I don't know if this thread is the place for such conversation (my bad for adding into it lol) and I don't think you can call someone disgusting for supporting a view that is the view a majority of a certain race and religion promote.
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supporting the view that an entire race should be anhilated and that an entire country should be wiped off the map is disgusting.
 
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supporting the view that an entire race should be anhilated and that an entire country should be wiped off the map is disgusting.
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If you want to look at Arabs like Nazis then you are misinformed.

The anti-Israel sentiment has rippled throughout the Arab world because Israel is brutally and mercilessly killing Arabs. Not to mention, they randomly were given an Arab country and forced people to move out of their homes. Literally, my friend's grandpa came home one day and his house was boarded up. Now throw on the fact that anyone who stayed is being persecuted.

Wouldn't you want to hurt those people?

I'm against any people being hurt or persecuted, and two wrongs don't make a right. But if you are being bullied, I'm not going to tell you that you are disgusting because you want to get the bully back.

Are some people taking it to the extreme? Yes, absolutely, and that is not right. But the majority of Arabs feel that the persecution suffered in Palestine is wrong and since no one is doing anything about it (especially America) they want to support a group that is doing something about it.

It is unfortunate that the groups which are involved in acting against Israel are doing so in a vicious and violent way. But again, there is a famous saying from an ancient Iraqi King, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". Arabic society is a little bit different than the traditional American school of thought. And when you see your relatives, friends, and fellow people being slayed mercilessly, you want vengeance.
 
oaklandguy said:
If you want to look at Arabs like Nazis then you are misinformed.

The anti-Israel sentiment has rippled throughout the Arab world because Israel is brutally and mercilessly killing Arabs. Not to mention, they randomly were given an Arab country and forced people to move out of their homes. Literally, my friend's grandpa came home one day and his house was boarded up. Now throw on the fact that anyone who stayed is being persecuted.

Wouldn't you want to hurt those people?

I'm against any people being hurt or persecuted, and two wrongs don't make a right. But if you are being bullied, I'm not going to tell you that you are disgusting because you want to get the bully back.

Are some people taking it to the extreme? Yes, absolutely, and that is not right. But the majority of Arabs feel that the persecution suffered in Palestine is wrong and since no one is doing anything about it (especially America) they want to support a group that is doing something about it.

It is unfortunate that the groups which are involved in acting against Israel are doing so in a vicious and violent way. But again, there is a famous saying from an ancient Iraqi King, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". Arabic society is a little bit different than the traditional American school of thought. And when you see your relatives, friends, and fellow people being slayed mercilessly, you want vengeance.
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as many people point out during every war America has been a part of in modern history: It is not Americas duty to police the world.

Edit: also, if you listen to the girl in the video... it was her that was supporting the Nazi's. Also, I'm sure you have heard the comments about anhilation coming from Iran's president. I did not pull that sentiment/statement out of thin air.
 
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as many people point out during every war America has been a part of in modern history: It is not Americas duty to police the world.
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You can't convince any Iraqi that.

America picks and chooses when to police the world. It's not their duty, but they do it when it benefits them.

Again, I don't say any of these views are right. But I don't think they are "disgusting". It is natural to feel bullied and it is natural to want to take the bully out.

Just know, Arabs aren't brainwashed and there is no propaganda against Israel that is not supported by pictures of innocent casualties. You throw in the pictures of Arabs stripped naked in Gitmo in utter embarrassment and the fact that half of the Gitmo prisoners were innocent casualties who could not understand English soldiers, you have a huge anti-Israel and anti-American sentiment. There is also an anti-Arab sentiment in the U.S. and it is completely understandable, but again, just because we can understand a phenomenon does not make it ethical and it doesn't justify it from any moral standpoint.
 
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oaklandguy said:
Exactly, now you should use this ideal to understand why Arabs support Hamas.
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again... it goes back to not supporting anyone who has the goal of annihilating a race of people or country.
 
rHinO1 said:
again... it goes back to not supporting anyone who has the goal of annihilating a race of people or country.
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So then it's wrong to support Israel who is harming way more Arabs than Hamas is harming Jews?

I would say that most Arabs are convinced that Israel has the goal of annihilating the people of Palestine or of Palestinian descent, and their actions clearly are indicative of this goal.

Also interesting enough to note, and again this is a small sampling, but this is on an Arabic news show:

[youtube]2AdZKfgZZrs[/youtube]

This is reality. It's not right and there are things that are said that can be perceived as "disgusting" but try to understand why this sentiment exists more so than the intensity of the actual sentiment.
 
oaklandguy said:
So then it's wrong to support Israel who is harming way more Arabs than Hamas is harming Jews?

I would say that most Arabs are convinced that Israel has the goal of annihilating the people of Palestine or of Palestinian descent, and their actions clearly are indicative of this goal.

Also interesting enough to note, and again this is a small sampling, but this is on an Arabic news show:

[youtube]2AdZKfgZZrs[/youtube]

This is reality. It's not right and there are things that are said that can be perceived as "disgusting" but try to understand why this sentiment exists more so than the intensity of the actual sentiment.
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I was going to post a video... but yours more than supports my point.

There is no reason to try to understand a sentiment of hatred. It is 100% wrong.
 
rHinO1 said:
I was going to post a video... but yours more than supports my point.

There is no reason to try to understand a sentiment of hatred. It is 100% wrong.
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Did you see the reasons why though? Because they are prophet killers, because of what they do to Palestine, because they are eternal enemies. Instead of sitting around blaming someone for their view, we should try to find the source and eliminate the source. It's not Hamas promoting this view, Hamas was formed BECAUSE of this view that is widespread from Morocco to Indonesia.

It's not right and we should be against views like this, but we need to understand why these views occur.

If Israel wasn't acting with brutal violence, there would be no need for a group like Hamas and Hamas would lose support.

I hope you understand where I am going with this. Pointing fingers gets us no where. True analysis of a situation causes for solutions.

The middle east never changes. History repeats itself so much.

The U.S. could become allies with Iran so easily. Who do you think is more worthy of an ally, Iran + the entire Middle East, or Israel? In my opinion, the entire Middle East would have more resources to offer. It's pretty loyal for the U.S. to stay allies with Israel even though it is causing the entire Arab world to hate them and is bringing about the brink of World War III.
 
and hamas can suck it along with Bertuzzi. 👍
 
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oaklandguy said:
Did you see the reasons why though? Because they are prophet killers, because of what they do to Palestine, because they are eternal enemies. Instead of sitting around blaming someone for their view, we should try to find the source and eliminate the source. It's not Hamas promoting this view, Hamas was formed BECAUSE of this view that is widespread from Morocco to Indonesia.

It's not right and we should be against views like this, but we need to understand why these views occur.

If Israel wasn't acting with brutal violence, there would be no need for a group like Hamas and Hamas would lose support.

I hope you understand where I am going with this. Pointing fingers gets us no where. True analysis of a situation causes for solutions.

The middle east never changes. History repeats itself so much.

The U.S. could become allies with Iran so easily. Who do you think is more worthy of an ally, Iran + the entire Middle East, or Israel? In my opinion, the entire Middle East would have more resources to offer. It's pretty loyal for the U.S. to stay allies with Israel even though it is causing the entire Arab world to hate them and is bringing about the brink of World War III.
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I bolded the 2 points that you brought I want to comment on.

1) You are right. We should be against views like this... however you mostly sympathize and make excuses for them.

2) In order for Iran and the US to become allies, then Iran would demand we let them wipe out Israel. Nothing is easy about that.
 
oaklandguy said:
It's pretty loyal for the U.S. to stay allies with Israel even though it is causing the entire Arab world to hate them and is bringing about the brink of World War III.
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Not sure we really care what the entire Arab world thinks about us.


Nope. we dont.
 
Hoody said:
and hamas can suck it along with Bertuzzi. 👍
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I wonder how an Arab would respond to that. I'll tell you what though, the regime that America put in place in Iraq supports Hamas. And if America puts anyone in charge of Iraq who doesn't support Hamas they won't last 3 days without getting murdered. So what is the point of statements like "Hamas can suck it" because any Arab can respond with, "Israel can suck it, America can suck it, etc." I think trying to solve a problem is more beneficial than making fun of people with the problem. As physicians, we're not going to say, "Cancer can suck it" but instead we will try to treat for cancer. I don't understand why our politicians don't try to bring light to the issues at hand.
 
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I bolded the 2 points that you brought I want to comment on.

1) You are right. We should be against views like this... however you mostly sympathize and make excuses for them.

2) In order for Iran and the US to become allies, then Iran would demand we let them wipe out Israel. Nothing is easy about that.
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I sympathize with them because I have Arabic news channels at my house and I simply cannot emotionally take watching it anymore because of the images they show. If you think it's right that American weapons are being used to kill women and children then you are disgusting.

As for #2, Iran and the U.S. have a couple common goals. Iran hates the Taliban just as much as they hate Israel, it just so happens that the U.S. hates Taliban. Iran also wants it's economy to flourish and the U.S. could probably help with that while taking advantage of Iran's resources at the same time. I may have exaggerated that it would be "soo" easy, but I still don't understand the tactics behind the way our government leaders are approaching the situation. It is a sensitive situation, but I don't think that dealing with these people will hinder our relationship with them and if anything it can only help the U.S.
 
Hoody said:
Not sure we really care what the entire Arab world thinks about us.


Nope. we dont.
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Umm, I am going to try to put this as nicely as possible, but if the U.S. didn't care what Arabs thought of them then why is it that I am "randomly" searched every single time I fly whether it be domestic or international? Explain that one?

Tell that b.s. to an American soldier who is stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Maybe if the Middle Easterners had a positive view on the U.S. they wouldn't have their lives at stake.
 
oaklandguy said:
Umm, I am going to try to put this as nicely as possible, but if the U.S. didn't care what Arabs thought of them then why is it that I am "randomly" searched every single time I fly whether it be domestic or international? Explain that one?
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cause thinking about blowing up a plane and blowing up a plane are two different things. I don't care if you think you want to blow up a plane. I have a big problem if you are going to blow up a plane.

Lets not twist my words around, k? thanks.
 
only 6 more hours till freedom....!
 
Hoody said:
cause thinking about blowing up a plane and blowing up a plane are two different things. I don't care if you think you want to blow up a plane. I have a big problem if you are going to blow up a plane.

Lets not twist my words around, k? thanks.
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That's fine, but I still think you are misinformed about where the majority of foreign affairs is being spent towards. Obama made a trip to Egypt not too long ago; I wonder why? It can't possibly have anything to do with the Arab world and trying to make a good impression on them or anything of that nature could it? It's pretty unrealistic to think that Arab (oil rich) countries are of no importance to the U.S. And the second that alternative energy resources become a viable option the price of oil will drop to compete (the beauty of natural resources).
 
oaklandguy said:
I think they make for interesting conversations, but I don't know if this thread is the place for such conversation (my bad for adding into it lol) and I don't think you can call someone disgusting for supporting a view that is the view a majority of a certain race and religion promote.
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well the Germans during wwII had a certain view that was promoted... and it was incredibly disgusting.
 
this isn't the right place for this topic. I tried not to get sucked in... fail.

goodnight.
 
rHinO1 said:
well the Germans during wwII had a certain view that was promoted... and it was incredibly disgusting.
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I explained why the situation is different. In Germany, Nazis were doing the promotion and the slaughtering. The propaganda in Germany was forcing this view upon people. In the Middle East, the anti-Zionist view is seared into the general mindset, instead the propaganda unites the people.

In the Middle East, the people have had their minds made up. Israel is giving itself a bad name. The people aren't swayed by Hamas. Hamas is getting support from other countries because of it's cause. The people "made" Hamas.

Literally, the Palestinian people VOTED Hamas into power. There was no fascist dictatorship like in Nazi Germany. This view isn't forced upon any Arab, they take it because of what is happening to their fellow Arabs in the same way that America decided to step in to stop the Nazis, the Arab countries want to step in to stop Israel's continuous massacres.

I am not trying to say the view is ethically right. I just think that sitting here and calling someone disgusting because of a view doesn't do anything, but instead having a realization of the reason behind the view and trying to get someone to solve it is more rational.

If you want my personal view, I think Palestine should get more land due to it's population (or at least what's left of it) and it should be able to govern itself without Israeli interference. Palestine should get it's own infrastructure, so that it does not have to depend on Israel. None of the murder from either sides is justified. Both sides should be happy and should be aiming for a solution rather than attacking each other.
 
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this isn't the right place for this topic. I tried not to get sucked in... fail.

goodnight.
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Yeah, I realized that after my first post, I'm sorry as well. Honestly though, I think some people actually enjoy hearing the other side once in a while and I myself fall right in the middle because I am a Middle Eastern American who is Pro-American and who supports the treaty with Israel. I am a very sympathetic person and tend to try to understand people (that's probably going in my PS).

Anyways, hopefully there are no hard feelings, I think we were really civil about it. Good night.
 
just went back and read some stuff...

oaklandguy said:
If you want to look at Arabs like Nazis then you are misinformed.

The anti-Israel sentiment has rippled throughout the Arab world because Israel is brutally and mercilessly killing Arabs. Not to mention, they randomly were given an Arab country and forced people to move out of their homes. Literally, my friend's grandpa came home one day and his house was boarded up. Now throw on the fact that anyone who stayed is being persecuted.

Wouldn't you want to hurt those people?

I'm against any people being hurt or persecuted, and two wrongs don't make a right. But if you are being bullied, I'm not going to tell you that you are disgusting because you want to get the bully back.

Are some people taking it to the extreme? Yes, absolutely, and that is not right. But the majority of Arabs feel that the persecution suffered in Palestine is wrong and since no one is doing anything about it (especially America) they want to support a group that is doing something about it.
It is unfortunate that the groups which are involved in acting against Israel are doing so in a vicious and violent way. But again, there is a famous saying from an ancient Iraqi King, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". Arabic society is a little bit different than the traditional American school of thought. And when you see your relatives, friends, and fellow people being slayed mercilessly, you want vengeance.
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oaklandguy said:
You can't convince any Iraqi that.

America picks and chooses when to police the world. It's not their duty, but they do it when it benefits them.

Again, I don't say any of these views are right. But I don't think they are "disgusting". It is natural to feel bullied and it is natural to want to take the bully out.

Just know, Arabs aren't brainwashed and there is no propaganda against Israel that is not supported by pictures of innocent casualties. You throw in the pictures of Arabs stripped naked in Gitmo in utter embarrassment and the fact that half of the Gitmo prisoners were innocent casualties who could not understand English soldiers, you have a huge anti-Israel and anti-American sentiment. There is also an anti-Arab sentiment in the U.S. and it is completely understandable, but again, just because we can understand a phenomenon does not make it ethical and it doesn't justify it from any moral standpoint.
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oaklandguy, you are being very naiive and shallow right here dude and you are extremely wrong.....im not going to get into it online with people i don't know too well and its a sensitive topic. i cant even begin to say how wrong you are
 
i was talkin about some of these posts people are making ...always one sided...expected, i guess
 
Jesus, I can't keep up with this thread anymore! It blows up like 4 pages a night after I go to bed. Bah!

Today's my anniversary. We're going to see Iron Man 2.
 
Oakland guy I too am from middle eastern decent but raised in western culture. I was actually born in Baghdad but moved to Canada when i was 4 and been here ever since. I just wanted to say i agree/support your general stance. There are a few points that i would argue but over all i think your right.


and Geekchick....HAPPY ANNIVERSARY Iron man 2 looks awesome can i come ? 😛
you can look over my personal statement!! its gonna be so much fun!! then we can go to dinner and you guys can pay for mee!! and by dinner i mean an internet cafe where we can starcraft it and drink bubble tea all night long.
 
my oh my...

oaklandguy said:
Islamic terrorism is something you take serious, but Israel's terrorism isn't...
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you know this about me how?
oaklandguy said:
...I'll give it to you straight...
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trust me when i say that there is pretty much nothing you can teach me on this or any other subject.

oaklandguy said:
9/11 happens everyday in Palestine and no one does anything about it.
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thousands do not die daily. don't get hysterical on me.


oaklandguy said:
They can't deport me, I'm a natural born citizen, I can run for President if I wanted to 😎
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heard of rendition? gitmo? lots of wonderful things put into place in the last decade that lets the gubment do what it wants with you.

oaklandguy said:
I think they make for interesting conversations, but I don't know if this thread is the place for such conversation (my bad for adding into it lol) and I don't think you can call someone disgusting for supporting a view that is the view a majority of a certain race and religion promote.
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so most muslims support the extermination of jews? you can speak for them how? you are a strange apologist, excusing and condeming these people all at the same time.

oaklandguy said:
If you want to look at Arabs like Nazis then you are misinformed.

The anti-Israel sentiment has rippled throughout the Arab world because Israel is brutally and mercilessly killing Arabs.
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anti-Israel =! anti-jew. you can be against a country without saying you want to annhilate an entire people, many of which have nothing to do with this country


oaklandguy said:
It is unfortunate that the groups which are involved in acting against Israel are doing so in a vicious and violent way. But again, there is a famous saying from an ancient Iraqi King, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". Arabic society is a little bit different than the traditional American school of thought. And when you see your relatives, friends, and fellow people being slayed mercilessly, you want vengeance.
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there's also a wonderful saying that an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

and you don't think americans want vengence when their people are slain? you're the one said America went 'crazy' after 9/11, so tell me how these 'societies' or 'schools of thought' differ in this aspect

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Not sure we really care what the entire Arab world thinks about us.

Nope. we dont.
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uh.. lolwut? that kind of yeehaw attitude got us into the mess we are in now, and current foreign policy shows that yes, we do care deeply what the Arab and Muslim world thinks of us. have fun in Qatar with that.
 
on an unrelated note, i went on a mile run today for the first time in ages to blow off some steam. and wow. i am an out of shape lardass
 
bleargh said:
uh.. lolwut? that kind of yeehaw attitude got us into the mess we are in now, and current foreign policy shows that yes, we do care deeply what the Arab and Muslim world thinks of us. have fun in Qatar with that.
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yeah, I was sensationalizing bc I though Oakland was being rather outlandish (like usual).
 
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