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[Asyouwereatrio]

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This is quite annoying. Every time I want to work on the Creighton secondary none of the school web pages will open. They all time out. How am I supposed to write the "why creighton" essay if I can't get any information about the school. Of course the secondary link works but nothing else on the school's website.

It's a sign they don't wnat you...just like when I signed into RFU's main webpage and it says that i've been denied access because my "actions" have been deemed a threat to their server. WTF?

 

[Longshanks]

It's a sign they don't wnat you...just like when I signed into RFU's main webpage and it says that i've been denied access because my "actions" have been deemed a threat to their server. WTF?

lolol you're living a dangerous internet lifestyle threatening their servers.

Why wouldn't they want me though? I'm a good Catholic boy 🙄

 

[Asyouwereatrio]

lolol you're living a dangerous internet lifestyle threatening their servers.

Why wouldn't they want me though? I'm a good Catholic boy 🙄

Lol! It was totally the randomest thing that happened too! I'm the last person that could pose a threat on the internet...*shifty eyes*

Haha..well that would explain why I was "passed over"--not religious or anything like that. 🙁

 

[bookfreak89]

I've been locked away studying all weekend, so I haven't been on in a couple of days. Beware: Multi quote below and mostly one-word responses too.

Interview invite to Vanderbilt and Case Western!

Dear med schools,

I actually AM superman (see facebook), therefore you should admit me.

Thanks.

Then maybe you can fly around the world making it go back in time and stop a missile heading for earth and save your woman from being killed in a landslide? If you can, that's an auto-admit right there.

anyone else excited for the US open to start? 👍

I used to follow tennis when I played in high school and some of college. I really want to get back into it, but I have no time this summer. Fail.

lol...not really but I'm excited for the NFL regular season to start!

My brother is getting antsy. lol. Football is his favorite sport to follow (out of the big 3) so he has been keeping up with news all summer and annoying me with random tidbits of information. 😴

the mcat forum and people retaking 30+'s are making me crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzy.


moving on.

Me too!!!!! I am on there like every other day, and people discussing how difficult the test was, people voiding, people acting depressing about how the AAMCs are NOTHING like the real MCAT are making me sad/scared.

I am going to be a wreck waiting for my scores. I can already foresee it. 🙁

Interview invite... holler!

Congrats you guys!

i've been demoted from cougarMD's sig!! >=(

Apparently, you weren't worthy enough anymore. lol.

I just got home from a run. I see a letter addressed to me on the table. It has the Vanderbilt logo on it! ...and it turns out to be the first in what I'm sure will be a lifelong series of letters asking alumni for donations. Goddamnit.

Run = 🙂

Vandy's tease = 😡

Possible avatar pics

I'd go with the FIRST cat. That's hilarious.

So I'm watching miss universe and I realize that 10's for me mean that these girls are like 13's. Haha.

I have it recorded on my TV. We'll see when I get around to watching it.

Apparently, I had 18 smilies when I was finished with this post, too bad I had to cut it down to 10. Boo.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

jesus fcking christ i almost had a heart attack. the sequence of events -

1) check browser
2) see new mail in gmail tab
3) open gmail tab
4) see mail sender - Harvard ________ School
5) think OMGWTFBBQ
6) read blank - "Extension"
7) FCK!!!!!!

 

[DaisyBuchanan]

jesus fcking christ i almost had a heart attack. the sequence of events -

1) check browser
2) see new mail in gmail tab
3) open gmail tab
4) see mail sender - Harvard ________ School
5) think OMGWTFBBQ
6) read blank - "Extension"
7) FCK!!!!!!

Aw that sucks. I often skip words when reading too, but it usually doesn't cause such a letdown as that. It's amazing how the application process can make any mundane activity into an emotional roller coaster.

 

[rHinO1]

I remember the good old days when I got excited over receiving a secondary app 😎. Now anything short of an interview or an acceptance is just out right irritating.

 

[DaisyBuchanan]

I remember the good old days when I got excited over receiving a secondary app 😎. Now anything short of an interview or an acceptance is just out right irritating.

How times have changed for us all...

 

[rHinO1]

Congrats Kip and Rhino!

Dear Medical Schools,

I see some of you have had me under review for more than 3 weeks. This is highly unnecessary. Let me make it easy for you. I'm awesome, you're awesome and you want me at your school so we can foster each others' awesomeness. We can do the interview to keep with expectations, but you've already got my acceptance letter and full-tuition scholarship offer stamped and sealed, right?

Right?!

I meant to write my version of this a while back, but I forgot. I think I will give it a go.

Dear Medical Schools,

I see some of you have had me under review for much more than three weeks. This is highly unnecessary. I understand that you want me to get on my knees and kiss your golden ring/ass. I hope you are aware that I do not take issue with this. As a premedical student, I am fully acquainted with this part of the process. In fact, I invested in a durable pair of knee pads in preparation for this event. I think it is time that we dispense with the formalities and proceed in a more timely manner. After all, we both know that the line behind me is getting longer every day.

Sincerely,
rHinO1

 

[DaisyBuchanan]

I meant to write my version of this a while back, but I forgot. I think I will give it a go.

Dear Medical Schools,

I see some of you have had me under review for much more than three weeks. This is highly unnecessary. I understand that you want me to get on my knees and kiss your golden ring/ass. I hope you are aware that I do not take issue with this. As a premedical student, I am fully acquainted with this part of the process. In fact, I invested in a durable pair of knee pads in preparation for this event. I think it is time that we dispense with the formalities and proceed in a more timely manner. After all, we both know that the line behind me is getting longer every day.

Sincerely,
rHinO1

And maybe supply a link to your response on the "poop hot dog" SDN thread to show them you're serious 🙄

 

[rHinO1]

And maybe supply a link to your response on the "poop hot dog" SDN thread to show them you're serious 🙄

kissing azz is part of playing the game, but eating poop is just nasty. No tic tac or icebreaker mint will fix that breath.

 

[CougarMD]

It's a sign they don't wnat you...just like when I signed into RFU's main webpage and it says that i've been denied access because my "actions" have been deemed a threat to their server. WTF?

It's true. You're very scary.

jesus fcking christ i almost had a heart attack. the sequence of events -

1) check browser
2) see new mail in gmail tab
3) open gmail tab
4) see mail sender - Harvard ________ School
5) think OMGWTFBBQ
6) read blank - "Extension"
7) FCK!!!!!!

My favorite part is that after "oh my god!" and "what the f*ck?" you then think "mmmm....barbeque"



Dudes, I just scored half of a free ticket to Philly!!! My friend had an expiring Jet Blue ticket and just GAVE it to me! So awesome. Now I know why I hadn't booked that trip yet🙂

Daisy, I dunno if I like the new avatar. I know I don't have veto rights or anything, but it seems so maudlin. You are just so much cuter than that.

 

[jaxasp]

I remember the good old days when I got excited over receiving a secondary app 😎. Now anything short of an interview or an acceptance is just out right irritating.

truth. first interview next week, im happy to finally progress from this damn waiting game

 

[FlowRate]

truth. first interview next week, im happy to finally progress from this damn waiting game

Same here, kinda nervous. Brainstorming greatest weakness answers and trying to get my other big questions down in an elegant way. Also btw, I hate flying from the WC to the EC... I'm gonna be so exhausted during interview days.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

I didn't write down who wrote this, but it's from an old thread. it's really good stuff, i think 2015ers might benefit -

I am currently in my 4th year of medical school. I am here to say that
most of what people allow to weigh in on their decision to attend
medical school is pretty irrelevant. I base this statement on 1) what
I took into consideration 2) what other people I met on the trail into
consideration 3) talking to prospective applicants 4) discussions with
fellow classmates. This is in large part because most information
about schools comes from is from first year students, who really have
no idea of what the school is like, sales angles of schools attempting
to reel in students etc, and random discussions from people who don't
know much more than you do.

What is not important:

1) Impression of students: this is bogus, totally bogus. Every school
has a fairly similar mix of a few types and if you think you can tell
what students are like by meeting the tour guide and 3 other people
you are fooling yourself.

A) Gunners- Every american medical school has gunners. Furthermore,
your interview process will not allow you to prove or disprove my
theory, as these people generally aren't doing interviews. Also don't
let anyone tell you that theres no competition at their school because
there is always someone who wants to do ortho at the hosp for special
surgery, even at DO schools.

Moreover if you are really worried about dodging the "Gunners" then
90% chance that you are one....my observational experience

B) Slackers- These are the real people I'd be worried about: they tend
not to show up to stuff and make everyone look bad.

C) Superstars- Every school has these, good schools have a few more.

D) Everyone else (prob 45-60% of a class)

2) Curriculum- Guys I hear this alot and read this on this board
alot....looking back I thought this was a big deal, now I say "who
really cares." Here's my breakdown of the issue

A) PBL- you have no background to base your case based learning
on...and will not have it until year 2 and probably 1/2 through that
(when you start organ system pathology/pathophys). Really how can you
expect someone to understand CHF related fluid retention with no prior
knowledge of renin-angiotensin and the kidneys...silly

B) lectures vs no lectures- For all practical purposes, you are going
to teach your damn selves 90% of the first 2 years.
The reason for this is that most of the first two years really is
vocab and getting your mind around a few key concepts so that third
year you can actually understand what your residents and attendings
are saying. So despite all the hype about new novel ways of learning
it boils down to you hanging out with Robbins pathology, a
microscope/online slides and a cadaver and figuring it out.

As far as clinical relevant knowledge year 1-2 is more or less the
about the same, deal with it. I say this coming from an Ivy so trust
me.

3) Quality of facilities- Theres three reasons why this is pretty irrelevant
A) they never show you all the facilities-

B) Does learning in an old building really impact your education

C) When you're trudging in the snow at 4 am to rounds on surgery are
you really going to notice or care what the outside of the hospital
looks like......highly doubtful

4) extracurricular/social stuff- This is +/-. If you have a passion
for playing the violin...can't live without it and are willing to do
it despite significant other time committments..this can be a plus

however, do not get the false impression that a medical school class
remains this cohesive bunch of social butterflies for 4 years.
Generally, everyone is very busy and alot of people are overwhelmed.
The attendance at class events dropped preciptiously year 2.

5) early patient contact- I think this is a total sales pitch: To
provide an anecdote: It was january of my second year. we were in our
physical diagnosis class, having our first group interview with a
patient with renal failure and volume overload causing CHF.

so the encounter goes like this.....

A classmate "so what brings you to the hospital today"
patient: "I am having a tough time breathing, it feels like im
drowning when I lie flat"
Classmate "that sounds bad"

long silence.

This classmate was a smart guy and ended up being AOA and this was 1
1/2 years into medical school.....

so if thats 2nd year what are you really going to do interviewing
patients 1st year.......basically acquire bad habits that you will
need to fix later in life. Is it a total waste? no. However do not
make this any more than a minor consideration.


Things that are important

1) What is the 3rd year like and how is it structured?:

I almost never hear any real questions or comment from applicants
regarding this topic. In the end this is the only real difference
between schools, and probably could be the only real question to ask?
more specific questions?

a) How are the rotations structured? What is your role on the wards?
Do you have a clear role Do you get your "hands dirty" alot, or is it
alot of shadowing? This is very important. You really don't learn much
by watching people do stuff and if they work you down to a minimal
role you will not gain much experience and will suck for several
months into internship.

Now I'm not saying you demand the right to cross clamp the aorta
during a CABG, but medicine is not a spectator sport and if the school
doesn't have a culture of teaching (i.e. alot of patients are private
patients, medical students aren't allowed to do anything) it will be a
long, boring 3rd year.


2) Where do 3rd year evaluations come from?

Alot of people go in with this attitude "I am here to learn not to get
grades." I agree with this attitude 85%. However, using that attitude
indiscriminantly is impractical and can lead to some evaulations that
you are not too happy with, it happens

You probably can't please everyone equally. This is especially true on
surgery and medicine where there is not enough hours in the day.

Thus, the recommendation I make to everyone is to figure out roughly
who writes the evaluation and what they expect and make sure you do a
really good job on that. I do not recommend kissing up....However, it
is really easy at times to get caught up in "which 5 minute
presentation do I spend preparing for tomorrow. " This is why if you
know who is grading you you can prioritize which person you pull the
NEJM articles out for, and who gets the 15 minute before cram session
off up-to-date.

Understand however while this happens at all schools (its how the
beast works) not all schools do a reasonable job at making this fair
or letting you know who is grading you or what you are supposed to do.
Thus you should really make an effort to ask questions such as for
every rotation do you have an attending directly responsible for
evaluating you, or a preceptor (someone not taking care of patients
that you are caring for who evaluates your academic abilities and
analytic abilities? ideally your grade should come roughly equally
from both.

3) Where do the students end up? If you dont want to do primary care,
and 75% of school X does. Guess what, you are signing up for 15 weeks
of primary care rotations at that school. Conversely, if you want to
do general internal medicine or family medicine....and you come to a
school that puts out 25 orthopods and 10 neurosurgeons a year.....you
will spend alot of time learning about surgeries that you will never
perform in your life.


4) How are medical students protected from scut?

If they cannot give you a real answer to this question expect to learn
alot about running bloods to the lab and wheeling patients to the CT
scanner and very little about managing an MI.

Some schools do a good job of setting up systems to prevent this,
however I have also met interns who told me that they failed the
surgery shelf because their school was rampant with scut and they
didn't learn anything. I think my school did a very good job at scut
control, however I have wheeled my share of patients to CT at 2 am.

5) How receptive is the administation to fixing problems and/or
disciplining out of line behavior, espcially from residents?

trust me when you have an ID class where the course director is
terrible, you will really appreciate it when a new course director is
hired the next year.

6) how is the research opportunities at this school?

If you want to end up at an academic program, there will come a time
when you will seek papers and if they are not there to be written then
you will understand the meaning of this question. If not then forget I
mentioned this.

7) how good is this school at focusing on the bread and butter?

This is especially relevant if you are looking at an academic
powerhouse type place. Typically alot of times you will find that big
tertiary centers tend to be filled with people who A) study esoteric
diseases, B) specialize in highly uncommon or speciallized surgeries
or diagnostic tests, or C) only doing big commando surgeries on cases
people in the community looked at and said no way im touching that.

This is something you may be interested in as an attending or at the
end of your residency. However in medical school most of these areas
will not be your field and learning the literature on steroid tapers
for patients with the CREST syndrome, the signs and symptoms of
spinocerebellar ataxia 8 or how to resect a pseudomyxoma peritonei is
probably not the best use of time in your only exposure to the area.
Its easy to get caught up in that stuff, however good schools
recognize the nature of the academic beast and try to make sure that
you leave knowing the stages of active labor, how to read an EKG and
how to manage childhood asthma.

I hope this helps

 

[rHinO1]

truth. first interview next week, im happy to finally progress from this damn waiting game

My first interview is in two weeks, I can't wait to get started too. I'm glad I'm finishing up my last summer school class between now and then. It will be a welcome distraction. The only down side to an early interview is that you know waiting until 10/15 for the first acceptances will be a beotch.

I didn't write down who wrote this, but it's from an old thread. it's really good stuff, i think 2015ers might benefit -

thanks, that quote is really helpful 👍

 

[DaisyBuchanan]

Dudes, I just scored half of a free ticket to Philly!!! My friend had an expiring Jet Blue ticket and just GAVE it to me! So awesome. Now I know why I hadn't booked that trip yet🙂

Daisy, I dunno if I like the new avatar. I know I don't have veto rights or anything, but it seems so maudlin. You are just so much cuter than that.

That's sweet that you got a free flight!

You missed the contest, I guess... I asked people on the thread to come up with a new avatar for me, and it was between Bleargh's Mia Farrow Daisy, the Nintendo princess Daisy, and MCAT Guy's transvestite princess. I had Mia Farrow as my first avatar on SDN, and I'm open to new suggestions 🙂

 

[Asyouwereatrio]

It seems like all is slow right now in terms of interview invites? *sob sob*

Hopefully things pick up! Good luck to everyone!

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

i got another one today, but i wanted someone else to take the spotlight.

 

[rHinO1]

i got another one today, but i wanted someone else to take the spotlight.

congrats! 🙂

I'm jealous, but in the most supportive and flattering kind of way haha 👍

 

[loua0731]

deeeaaaaaaaammmmnnnn cliff you are just raking in those interviews! Jealous.

Congrats, though. 😀

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

gracias friends.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

its almost like we're trying not to get 20k posts.

 

[DaisyBuchanan]

i got another one today, but i wanted someone else to take the spotlight.

I fist pump in your honor, good sir.

I know, 2015's pace is seriously lacking. Time to talk about food again. I made pad thai and a Moroccan carrot and apple salad for dinner tonight... major yum.

 

[loua0731]

I fist pump in your honor, good sir.

I know, 2015's pace is seriously lacking. Time to talk about food again. I made pad thai and a Moroccan carrot and apple salad for dinner tonight... major yum.

I LOVE pad thai!

I wish I could visit this thread more often. 🙁 I move back to school Friday, so I've been scrambling to get things finished (including my last secondary) and packed up before then.

When is everyone starting back up at school (minus you non-trads 😛)?

 

[rHinO1]

I finish summer school next week, and then fall quarter starts the end of September woohoo!

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

I finish summer school next week, and then fall quarter starts the end of September woohoo!

that's good you get a little break.

i finished 4 secondaries today before work. it sucked, but its done.

 

[rHinO1]

that's good you get a little break.

i finished 4 secondaries today before work. it sucked, but its done.

I'm looking forward to it. I need to get away for the weekend with my gf.

4 secondaries!? That's really good. I have 3 more I could fill out, but I decided to say FCK it and just forget about them. So, essentially I am done. I completed ~22 total 🙂

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

I'm looking forward to it. I need to get away for the weekend with my gf.

4 secondaries!? That's really good. I have 3 more I could fill out, but I decided to say FCK it and just forget about them. So, essentially I am done. I completed ~22 total 🙂

i added 3 more after my new mcat and they are 3 schools i would genuinely want to attend so i went for it.

any plans with the gf, or not quite yet?

 

[rHinO1]

i added 3 more after my new mcat and they are 3 schools i would genuinely want to attend so i went for it.

any plans with the gf, or not quite yet?

We were going up to Pismo Beach and San Francisco for the weekend, but I was offered an extra day of work at the hospital on Saturdays. I'm going to be a patient liason/transporter/nurses assistant (it's a blend of a couple jobs b/c they are just starting to schedule non-emergent surgeries on the weekends at my hospital; we're not operating with a typical weekday staff on Saturdays yet). I took the extra day to pay off these app/interview costs.

My gf just started school so she is seeing what her schedule looks like before finalizing plans. We might still go with our original trip, or maybe lake arrowhead (lake in the mountains east of LA) instead if she can't get away for more than a couple days. Either way, I'm gonna chill out for awhile. I also like to go camping at this awesome spot on the beach, so if I can get a reservation there, that could be a possibility too.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

We were going up to Pismo Beach and San Francisco for the weekend, but I was offered an extra day of work at the hospital on Saturdays. I'm going to be a patient liason/transporter/nurses assistant (it's a blend of a couple jobs b/c they are just starting to schedule non-emergent surgeries on the weekends at my hospital; we're not operating with a typical weekday staff on Saturdays yet). I took the extra day to pay off these app/interview costs.

My gf just started school so she is seeing what her schedule looks like before finalizing plans. We might still go with our original trip, or maybe lake arrowhead (lake in the mountains east of LA) instead if she can't get away for more than a couple days. Either way, I'm gonna chill out for awhile. I also like to go camping at this awesome spot on the beach, so if I can get a reservation there, that could be a possibility too.

any of those options sound good. i was thinking you were gonna throw in a chargers game somewhere in there haha. do you have any certifications for your job? i wish i could find a clinical job... oh well.

 

[rHinO1]

any of those options sound good. i was thinking you were gonna throw in a chargers game somewhere in there haha. do you have any certifications for your job? i wish i could find a clinical job... oh well.

I had an EMT cert, which is a preferred qualification (but not required). I've found once you have a job in the hospital, any job in the hospital, it becomes pretty easy to move around to a better job. I've bounced around a bit lately, mostly I'm helping to admit and discharge patients. My patient care stuff is usually taking a 12-lead EKG, vital signs, height, and weight. I also help transport patients before and after surgery. I spend a lot of time talking to patients and there families, which has been very prominant in my essays. Basically, I tell everyone I love what I do, I just want to do more, learn more, and challenge myself more. Obviously, that is why I want to go to medical school.

 

[rHinO1]

Oh, about the Charger game... I had to give up my season tickets this year to pay for my applications. Priorities brah.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

yeah, of course. i've considered taking a cna class lately, but 1) i dont want to pay for it 2) these interview invites are telling me i dont need it. i wish i had something clinical going on right now though. my work schedule is sporadic that i can't commit to anything that demands consistency at the moment. at least working in a gym i get to talk to people and offer them sort of health related tips.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

Oh, about the Charger game... I had to give up my season tickets this year to pay for my applications. Priorities brah.

understandable. our practice will own a luxury box in about 20 years so its worth it to sacrifice them for the season. i'm sure you'll still squeeze one or two games in this season though.

 

[rHinO1]

yeah, of course. i've considered taking a cna class lately, but 1) i dont want to pay for it 2) these interview invites are telling me i dont need it. i wish i had something clinical going on right now though. my work schedule is sporadic that i can't commit to anything that demands consistency at the moment. at least working in a gym i get to talk to people and offer them sort of health related tips.

With your interview offers, it sounds like you have enough experience 👍. I think having experience interacting with people in a professional environment, i.e., through work experience will be an asset. After talking to many patients, I can tell you for a fact that the way they interact with ALL of the staff in the hospital (nurses, techs, doctors) plays a huge part in their perception of the care they recieved. Also, it seems many patients judge the quality of their doctor based more on the doctors personality and compassion than on his reputation/skills. How you treat the patient goes a long way.

 

[rHinO1]

understandable. our practice will own a luxury box in about 20 years so its worth it to sacrifice them for the season. i'm sure you'll still squeeze one or two games in this season though.

I'm gonna try to squeez in a game or two... just not pre-season . We're going to be on the field, waiting to attend to injured patients. Remember?

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

not if dr. andrews is still alive.

 

[rHinO1]

not if dr. andrews is still alive.

Screw Andrews! That guy will work for us!

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

Screw Andrews! That guy will work for us!

hahaha right

if we're lucky we'll get him to join our practice as a consultant when he retires.

 

[Chemdude]

wow, it has been a long time since I posted here. How's everybody doing?

Major f-up on the MCAT. 15 6 15. I have never gotten lower than a 10 on the verbal section, so I am really confused. Taking it again September 3rd.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

dude, i am so confused about that score. congratu-wtf-lations?

 

[FlowRate]

wow, it has been a long time since I posted here. How's everybody thing?

Major f-up on the MCAT. 15 6 15. I have never gotten lower than a 10 on the verbal section, so I am really confused. Taking it again September 3rd.

Wtf srsly? Good luck on your retake, what a strange turn of events.

 

[Chemdude]

Well, I guess maybe it was due to the fact that I had to drive 5 hours to get to the testing center and I didn't get to sleep well the night before(sleeping in a motel sucks). Hopefully this time around things go more smoothly.

 

[CougarMD]

That's sweet that you got a free flight!

You missed the contest, I guess... I asked people on the thread to come up with a new avatar for me, and it was between Bleargh's Mia Farrow Daisy, the Nintendo princess Daisy, and MCAT Guy's transvestite princess. I had Mia Farrow as my first avatar on SDN, and I'm open to new suggestions 🙂

Yeah, I saw the contest too late. I personally like Daisy from Dead Like Me, but I didn't see any good pics of her. What about the classic Daisy:

 

[Asyouwereatrio]

Well, I guess maybe it was due to the fact that I had to drive 5 hours to get to the testing center and I didn't get to sleep well the night before(sleeping in a motel sucks). Hopefully this time around things go more smoothly.

Good luck with your next testing session! I sincerely hope you don't tank on the other two sections and then ace verbal. The world has a weird way of working sometimes. Be positive though, your composite score is still really really high! 🙂

 

[whimsical]

yo yo Kip & Whimsy any scoop on Pritzker?

PM/Gchat/Fbook?

 

[Chemdude]

Good luck with your next testing session! I sincerely hope you don't tank on the other two sections and then ace verbal. The world has a weird way of working sometimes. Be positive though, your composite score is still really really high! 🙂

Thank you for your kind words! 🙂

 

[CougarMD]

Am I really so desperate for happy human interaction that I am watching Melissa and Joey on ABC Family?












Yes. I am.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

Am I really so desperate for happy human interaction that I am watching Melissa and Joey on ABC Family?












Yes. I am.

how was skating?