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Hoody said:
Indeed. I know lots and lots of people (at my age, the majority are working and fully functioninog professionals) and almost none of them use or have used harder illect drugs. A lot of them don't even drink. The correlation comes from the fact that those who do use "harder" drugs, also smoke pot.
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Just because you associate with a higher class of people, you would be foolish to ignore the large segment of society that abuse this drug beyond what you have seen.

But this goes beyond just getting high. Its discrimination. I could have smoked meth all last weekend and went to work this week clean as a whistle. But if I smoked a joint two weekends ago, I'm a dirty dog. Pot and harder drugs are not the same. You cannot be very well functional with chronic use of alcohol, heroin, meth, coke, etc......yet as I mentioned before, you can be pretty damn functional with chronic pot use.

This is also about freeing millions of non violent (and mostly minority) offenders from our garbage correctional system. Its about giving Americans the freedom to choose (without the legal recourse and possibility of losing rights such as voting, owning a gun, getting a school loan...) just as we give freedom to choose smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, eating fatty foods, participating in high risk sports, etc...

And just food for thought....out of the 11 people who died during my 7 day stint at work last week, 6 of them were alcohol related, with ages ranging from 28-60. yeah. I have yet to see one person in three years for a marijuana related incident.
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Like I said before, CA has already decriminalized marijuana use. From there it is a large leap to make it legal to use. Atleast in CA, it is a misconception to believe that the prisons are filled with stoners. It is simply not true at all.
 
rHinO1 said:
Just because you associate with a higher class of people, you would be foolish to ignore the large segment of society that abuse this drug beyond what you have seen.



Like I said before, CA has already decriminalized marijuana use. From there it is a large leap to make it legal to use. Atleast in CA, it is a misconception to believe that the prisons are filled with stoners. It is simply not true at all.
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abusing pot is almost impossible if you're comparing it to the same abuse that heavier drugs encourage (from the actual use, to the home wrecking, to the violent crimes etc). a person is FAR more likely to abuse alcohol in the traditional sense than pot, regardless of the class of person.
 
CougarMD said:
I would like to be the first to point out that the real problem in CA....

IS THAT RHINO IS STILL EATING AT MCDONALDS.


Shame on you.
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:laugh::laugh:
don't hate because I still like happy meals 😀

cliffhuxtableDO said:
😆

she's got a point.
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Come on, I know after you fire up a joint your driving over there to get a Big Mac and a vanilla shake 😛
 
I know you guys are just debating so that no one has to answer my "what is the stupidest thing you've ever done" icebreaker🙁

And yes....I still feel dumb for telling the NyQuill story.
 
rHinO1 said:
:laugh::laugh:
don't hate because I still like happy meals 😀


Come on, I know after you fire up a joint your driving over there to get a Big Mac and a vanilla shake 😛
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i'm not a user, but i think it should be legal.
 
cliffhuxtableDO said:
abusing pot is almost impossible if you're comparing it to the same abuse that heavier drugs encourage (from the actual use, to the home wrecking, to the violent crimes etc). a person is FAR more likely to abuse alcohol in the traditional sense than pot, regardless of the class of person.
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I'm using the term abuse as defined in the DSM-IV. Sure, relative to crack pot isn't as bad. However, it isn't good (with the exception of medicinal use).

Just curious, would you be cool with your kid getting stoned?
 
rHinO1 said:
I'm using the term abuse as defined in the DSM-IV. Sure, relative to crack pot isn't as bad. However, it isn't good (with the exception of medicinal use).

Just curious, would you be cool with your kid getting stoned?
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in moderation, sure. as long as it doesn't interfere with overal productivity such as school, work, personal relationships.

if you're cool with the idea of your kidding getting hammered (possibly dying from alcohol poisoning), how can you not be tolerable of the idea of your kid getting stoned?
 
CougarMD said:
I know you guys are just debating so that no one has to answer my "what is the stupidest thing you've ever done" icebreaker🙁

And yes....I still feel dumb for telling the NyQuill story.
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the stupidest thing I ever did... can't tell you she would be mad 😀
 
rHinO1 said:
Just because you associate with a higher class of people, you would be foolish to ignore the large segment of society that abuse this drug beyond what you have seen.
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I'm not sure the gateway theory has been proven concrete 🙂confused🙂. Either way, your words of wisdom apply to many poster's thoughts on the subject.
rHinO1 said:
Like I said before, CA has already decriminalized marijuana use. From there it is a large leap to make it legal to use. At least in CA, it is a misconception to believe that the prisons are filled with stoners. It is simply not true at all.
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It is true to an extent though. There are major overcrowding issues....at least that's why I keep hearing people like Paris and LiLo being released early. And its not just in Cali, its all over the US (sorta fighting for the federal legalization here, sorry to mix the two) so legalizing marijuana the same way other drugs are legalized would free some space and it would allow several non violent offenders to retain rights that are essential to better societal functioning.
 
So what would you pick. A lower tier where you know you would have an enjoyable time, plenty of fun, girls, and the ocean OR an upper tier where half of the students you met seem socially inept....

Decisions decisions... well at least I've got 7 months to decide
 
cliffhuxtableDO said:
in moderation, sure. as long as it doesn't interfere with overal productivity such as school, work, personal relationships.

if you're cool with the idea of your kidding getting hammered (possibly dying from alcohol poisoning), how can you not be tolerable of the idea of your kid getting stoned?
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I don't like the idea of either, and unfortunately some people start out in moderation and then next thing they know their use is out of control. Addiction/alcoholism is not predictable. Many parents have watched their kids lives go down the toilet, despite their best efforts to help them. It is very sad.
 
so you're telling me you're telling your son that everything is evil?

the only conversation i EVER had with parents about substance use was when i was probably about 11 years old and lasted 15 seconds.

Dad: "what's the best way to quit smoking?"
Me: "don't start."
Dad: "good answer."
 
Hoody said:
Its not about your kid.
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hmmm, my actions, such as voting, reflect my values. One of my values is that I support policies that leave the world a better place for myself and my family. Maybe that isn't one of your values, in that case we can disagree.
cliffhuxtableDO said:
so you're telling me you're telling your son that everything is evil?

the only conversation i EVER had with parents about substance use was when i was probably about 11 years old and lasted 15 seconds.

Dad: "what's the best way to quit smoking?"
Me: "don't start."
Dad: "good answer."
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No, I don't tell my kid everything is evil. Actually, I agree with your dad. If I don't want my kid to start, then why would I vote to legalize marijuana? And if I don't want my own kid to smoke pot, then why would I want to make it available to other people?

Edit: Essentialy, if I view marijuana as something bad. Then why would I want to make it available to people.
 
cliffhuxtableDO said:
👍

hoody is on point today. but, the fact of the matter it is about rhino's kid when it comes to his voting priorities.
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rhino's kid should feel lucky that s/he has a dad like rhino who is so invested in his/her well being tho.

high five rhino! :highfive:
 
rHinO1 said:
hmmm, my actions, such as voting, reflect my values. One of my values is that I support policies that leave the world a better place for myself and my family. Maybe that isn't one of your values, in that case we can disagree.

No, I don't tell my kid everything is evil. Actually, I agree with your dad. If I don't want my kid to start, then why would I vote to legalize marijuana? And if I don't want my own kid to smoke pot, then why would I want to make it available to other people?
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....just out of curiousity, if there was a vote today, would you vote to illegalize alcohol or ciggs? (we already know you'd keep mIckyD's 😛)
 
rHinO1 said:
hmmm, my actions, such as voting, reflect my values. One of my values is that I support policies that leave the world a better place for myself and my family. Maybe that isn't one of your values, in that case we can disagree.

No, I don't tell my kid everything is evil. Actually, I agree with your dad. If I don't want my kid to start, then why would I vote to legalize marijuana? And if I don't want my own kid to smoke pot, then why would I want to make it available to other people?

Edit: Essentialy, if I view marijuana as something bad. Then why would I want to make it available to people.
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you're missing the point. your kid might smoke pot no matter what you think and smoking pot is a common occurence in our society whether or not you vote for it.

how can you agree with my dad when he didnt offer anything in the conversation?

the point i'm making is people are going to smoke pot whether or not its legal. its not nearly as harmful as other legal substances and its not worth investing billions of dollars to try to eradicate it's use. whereas, it might be worth some effort to regulate and profit from.
 
keep in mind with the current legislation any use of cannibis is illegal which includes hemp for paper, clothes, and the other various uses that the plant offers. all hemp products in the united states are imported as i understand it.
 
cliffhuxtableDO said:
so you're telling me you're telling your son that everything is evil?

the only conversation i EVER had with parents about substance use was when i was probably about 11 years old and lasted 15 seconds.

Dad: "what's the best way to quit smoking?"
Me: "don't start."
Dad: "good answer."
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I find conversations like this from childhood fascinating. I always wonder about 1 - the conversations that we had that I didn't remember, and 2 - how many conversations we *didn't* have but something else in my mom's attitudes, beliefs, or actions, made her position perfectly clear to me and I either mirrored her opinion or rebelled and went in the opposite direction.

For instance...I definitely remember the sex talk. My mom brought out a medical textbook and had trouble explaining what an orgasm was:laugh:

But I don't remember any conversations about child abduction, even though she tells me we had MANY. (Someone tried to kidnap me when I was about 2). But I always think of escape routes wherever I am.

I just showed more of my weird on the internet.
 
CougarMD said:
I find conversations like this from childhood fascinating. I always wonder about 1 - the conversations that we had that I didn't remember, and 2 - how many conversations we *didn't* have but something else in my mom's attitudes, beliefs, or actions, made her position perfectly clear to me and I either mirrored her opinion or rebelled and went in the opposite direction.

For instance...I definitely remember the sex talk. My mom brought out a medical textbook and had trouble explaining what an orgasm was:laugh:

But I don't remember any conversations about child abduction, even though she tells me we had MANY. (Someone tried to kidnap me when I was about 2). But I always think of escape routes wherever I am.

I just showed more of my weird on the internet.
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when i was 15 and about to turn 16 and get my driver's liscense my dad was giving me a ride to basketball practice saturday morning and said "if you ever need a ride or anything, no matter what time it is you can call me." of course i knew that was his way of dancing around going to a party and not being sober to drive, i also knew he wouldve been VERY mad and that he didnt really want me to call him at ANY time haha.
 
Hoody said:
....just out of curiousity, if there was a vote today, would you vote to illegalize alcohol or ciggs? (we already know you'd keep mIckyD's 😛)
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I don't think prohibition works. I also think the world would be a better place without both. However, I recognize that many people never have a problem with either. On the other hand, there are people whose lives/families are absolutely ruined by both. I literally know dozens of people who have been arrested, died, developed horrible diseases, lost family members, and had their lives changed for the worse because of addiction/alcoholism.

The treatment center I volunteer at has a success rate of 4% one year after treatment. 5 years after treatment, only 2% are still sober. This is the most successful treatment program in my city.
 
rHinO1 said:
I don't think prohibition works. I also think the world would be a better place without both. However, I recognize that many people never have a problem with either. On the other hand, there are people whose lives/families are absolutely ruined by both. I literally know dozens of people who have been arrested, died, developed horrible diseases, lost family members, and had their lives changed for the worse because of addiction/alcoholism.

The treatment center I volunteer at has a success rate of 4% one year after treatment. 5 years after treatment, only 2% are still sober. This is the most successful treatment program my city.
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which leads me to believe that treatment centers are useless and a dumpster for cash. how can you say prohibition doesnt work and then vote for prohibition?!?!
 
cliffhuxtableDO said:
you're missing the point. your kid might smoke pot no matter what you think and smoking pot is a common occurence in our society whether or not you vote for it.

how can you agree with my dad when he didnt offer anything in the conversation?

the point i'm making is people are going to smoke pot whether or not its legal. its not nearly as harmful as other legal substances and its not worth investing billions of dollars to try to eradicate it's use. whereas, it might be worth some effort to regulate and profit from.
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I understand, but I believe legalization will increase use, which I'm against.
cliffhuxtableDO said:
keep in mind with the current legislation any use of cannibis is illegal which includes hemp for paper, clothes, and the other various uses that the plant offers. all hemp products in the united states are imported as i understand it.
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the hemp for paper, clothes, etc... isn't from hemp plants that get you high.
cliffhuxtableDO said:
which leads me to believe that treatment centers are useless and a dumpster for cash. how can you say prohibition doesnt work and then vote for prohibition?!?!
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For the 2% of people that make it, those treatment centers are worth every penny. I've seen people get off the street, parents (addicts)reunited with kids, and kids (addicts) reunited with parents. I've also seen people get clean and fix health problems they have neglected for years/decades. Treatment centers do good work 👍.

I'm against legalizing new drugs, not making currently legal stuff illegal. I am also supportive of "harm reduction." These are policies that support programs like needle exchanges.
 
HawaiiHereICome said:
So what would you pick. A lower tier where you know you would have an enjoyable time, plenty of fun, girls, and the ocean OR an upper tier where half of the students you met seem socially inept....

Decisions decisions... well at least I've got 7 months to decide
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Cliff and I buried your post, and I see you're waiting for a response.

I would go where I would be happiest. If you are happy you will probably do better, which will create more opportunies in the long run. It sounds like you would be happier at the place by the beach.
 
rHinO1 said:
Cliff and I buried your post, and I see you're waiting for a response.

I would go where I would be happiest. If you are happy you will probably do better, which will create more opportunies in the long run. It sounds like you would be happier at the place by the beach.
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yeah, go where you'll be happiest.
 
rHinO1 said:
The treatment center I volunteer at has a success rate of 4% one year after treatment. 5 years after treatment, only 2% are still sober. This is the most successful treatment program in my city.
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Yeah, I know all about treatment centers. My brother is a convicted (marijuana possessing) felon who spent about 4 years in and out of locked down rehab facilities that cost my parents well over 50K because their insurance wouldn't pay (most don't).

Every saturday we had family day. we had to sit in a circle with all the other families and talk. We started with our names and drug of choice. Mine was sugar as I was about 10 or 11. I always sat by a girl named Evie, who sucked her toes, and perfered crystal meth. I wonder where she is sometimes. Probably not part of the 2%..... 🙁
 
I would go to England for my M1 year, Grenada M2, NYC for M3 and M4 (besides the few clinical rotations I would do abroad)

unfortunately, the happiest place will most likely not make me the MD I want to be... so I am trying to find best-fit in US.

I'm currently in a class that argues that you can never get over a drug addiction. You can stay sober, yes, but you are never 100% over the addiction. It's cool cause the professor is a former drug addict (and you can tell via the professor's behavior)

I don't think all pot use or alcohol use (or even cigg use) will lead to addiction.. but all 3 of those are bad, so why legalize another? You can still get pot pretty easily, but I would prefer not to see it everywhere like in Amsterdam. I already don't like drunks (or masses of college kids) at the bar. haha
 
Hoody said:
Yeah, I know all about treatment centers. My brother is a convicted (marijuana possessing) felon who spent about 4 years in and out of locked down rehab facilities that cost my parents well over 50K because their insurance wouldn't pay (most don't).

Every saturday we had family day. we had to sit in a circle with all the other families and talk. We started with our names and drug of choice. Mine was sugar as I was about 10 or 11. I always sat by a girl named Evie, who sucked her toes, and perfered crystal meth. I wonder where she is sometimes. Probably not part of the 2%..... 🙁
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too bad your brother was turned a felon over a relatively safe & harmless substance..
 
mental note: rhino and tiger will not be attending the holiday party.
 
cliffhuxtableDO said:
mental note: rhino and tiger will not be attending the holiday party.
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If there is christmas ale and eggnog and not 50+ people that I don't know, I am down. I love my beer and don't hold it against anyone that smokes pot... so I do like parties... I just don't like masses of people. haha
 
CougarMD said:
For instance...I definitely remember the sex talk. My mom brought out a medical textbook and had trouble explaining what an orgasm was:laugh:
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This seriously made me lol.
 
My mom's sex-talk (which she still does): "Condoms, Tiger. Condoms"

I think that's a pretty good sex talk. haha.

edit: new picture. I have decided to expose my true me -- an old cynical thoughtful man. Now, to re-watch No Country for Old Men.
 
I tend to go with a libertarian view towards the whole legalization debate. I don't want the government telling me or anyone else, what we can or cannot do, that doesn't inflict any harm on anyone else or infringe on anyone's rights given by our Constitution. Also from a financial/economic point of view, the amount of money that goes into Nixon's and Reagan's "War on Drugs" is unbelievable, and the money put towards the criminalization and incarceration of petty offenders is a large waste and just increases to our states' and nation's debt problem. Legalization should eventually take out the criminal incentives and interests in marijuana, much as the end of prohibition did for alcohol. The government could also easily make money off of it. Cigarettes and tobacco are greatly harmful to individuals and those around smokers, yet that is legal, and the states and federal government make plenty of tax money from tobacco.

I don't want to participate in any slippery slope argument about hard drugs or other theoretical "personal harms". We're talking about marijuana here - not cocaine, meth, Oxycontin, etc. The government shouldn't tell you or enforce what is legal within your own home, so long as it doesn't endanger another person's livelihood or rights. In this situation, if an individual wants to enjoy marijuana in their own home or in a controlled environment in a mature manner, they should be allowed to do so (especially when such activities are not inherently dangerous to yourself). People already use alcohol and tobacco in similar ways, and these products are also regulated in where and how you can use them, and criminal and civil violations for breaking those regulations (most of which exist to protect yourself and other civilians from harm or infringing on their rights if you act in an immature manner).

(Disclaimer, I don't smoke any substance of any kind. But that's my personal choice, and my own health care concern. The government doesn't decide that for me)
 
Considering that alcohol was just found to be the #1 most harmful drug -- not only because of harm to yourself but to society... I guess it really should be illegal.

That's OK though. I know how to homebrew. Bring on prohibition.
 
My brother just called me, and I had to laugh. He owns a glass blowing business that specializes in marijuana pipes... and I am the one against legalizing it :laugh:.
 
can't believe i just read all of that but it was entertaining.
legit trying to not go out tonight but i'm pretty sure the last time i rejected an invitation to go to a party was 28.3 million years ago
 
jaxasp said:
can't believe i just read all of that but it was entertaining.
legit trying to not go out tonight but i'm pretty sure the last time i rejected an invitation to go to a party was 28.3 million years ago
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haha

just the legalization debate or the the whole thread? lol
 
1. I just watched Walking Dead and would recommend it

2. My brother called me recently because he was considering buying marijuana research stock. haha.
 
Avoidthetiger said:
I think everyone is trying to keep up with me. I did 8 interviews in 4 weeks. 😛

Though I don't know how many Cougs did.....
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jesus - what kind of stats do u have?? i haven't even had one so far - but 2 scheduled
 
In other news, I just bought two pet rats! Because I am spontaneous and possibly slightly irresponsible! (Did I mention that I move temporarily back into my parents' house in two months until I move for medical school... a house with two cats? Haha.)

Their names are Hilda and Zelda, named after the aunts from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. There's something deeply wrong with me, isn't there?
 
Beets said:
In other news, I just bought two pet rats! Because I am spontaneous and possibly slightly irresponsible! (Did I mention that I move temporarily back into my parents' house in two months until I move for medical school... a house with two cats? Haha.)

Their names are Hilda and Zelda, named after the aunts from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. There's something deeply wrong with me, isn't there?
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All of the above is awesome. Rats are such cool pets. If I didnt have a dog I'd have a rat and a tortoise.
 
Beets said:
In other news, I just bought two pet rats! Because I am spontaneous and possibly slightly irresponsible! (Did I mention that I move temporarily back into my parents' house in two months until I move for medical school... a house with two cats? Haha.)

Their names are Hilda and Zelda, named after the aunts from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. There's something deeply wrong with me, isn't there?
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The only thing wrong with this is that Zelda is a princess. Sorry, Hyrule >>> Sabrina😉
 
eablackwell said:
The only thing wrong with this is that Zelda is a princess. Sorry, Hyrule >>> Sabrina😉
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I KNEW someone was going to bring that up... Haha. Anyway, I've never owned rats before, but was very intrigued by their alleged intelligence and friendliness.
 
Someone was buying eggnog at the grocery store yesterday when I was getting NyQuill.

And I got an email from Origins today that was Christmas themed showing me all of the great gift boxes you could buy.


wtf....it isn't even Thanksgiving.
 
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