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loua0731 said:
Though Family Guy is slowing me down a bit, I've finally started a bioethics paper that's due tomorrow: Should new drugs be given to terminally-ill patients outside clinical trials?

I say no. What do you guys think?
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only if they're the fun kind.
 
loua0731 said:
Though Family Guy is slowing me down a bit, I've finally started a bioethics paper that's due tomorrow: Should new drugs be given to terminally-ill patients outside clinical trials?

I say no. What do you guys think?
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What ethical principles are violated by giving them these drugs? Do these drugs carry a significant chance of cure or reduction of symptoms to improve quality of life? I do not see any ethical dilemmas as the question is posed.
 
FlowRate said:
What ethical principles are violated by giving them these drugs? Do these drugs carry a significant chance of cure or reduction of symptoms to improve quality of life? I do not see any ethical dilemmas as the question is posed.
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We're talking patients that have exhausted all other treatments and desire unapproved, experimental drugs as a last resort. Since they're still usually in Phase I or just after, there isn't a whole lot of certainty about the effectiveness of the drugs.

Ethically, you could find a way argue for either side. Hence the lasting controversy on the issue.
 
loua0731 said:
We're talking patients that have exhausted all other treatments and desire unapproved, experimental drugs as a last resort. Since they're still usually in Phase I or just after, there isn't a whole lot of certainty about the effectiveness of the drugs.

Ethically, you could find a way argue for either side. Hence the lasting controversy on the issue.
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As long as they can and are willing to pay with the knowledge that they are given no guarantees on how well the drugs will work (patient choice plus). If the docs think it will significantly harm QOL but not benefit the disease, then it shouldn't be given (nonmaleficence, always forget how to spell that). Especially if there's reasonable hope for cure or treatment, should be given (beneficence supported). However, it would not be appropriate if these drugs were to be paid for by society, because that is wasteful since there is no significantly proven ability for the drug to help. (utilitarian view, assuming expensive drugs)
 
loua0731 said:
Haha I know. I was explaining the steps to my friend today, and she goes "So do the schools pay to fly you out for an interview?" When I told her no, she was absolutely flabbergasted. I then told her the whole process would probably cost me upwards of $3000 and she almost had an aneurysm.
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LOL *sigh* if only

CougarMD said:
SoCal is like oompa loompa land. I need to move to Indiana or something where they're all corn-fed and huge.
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l.m.a.o. that's really sad
 
CougarMD said:
SoCal is like oompa loompa land.
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SoCal... you sure you didn't just describe Queens and Staten Island??

(by oompa loompa I'm assuming you mean orange from spray tan, and puckering their lips in photos... guys included)
 
loua0731 said:
CONGRATS! :highfive: Doesn't it feel great?
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Yes it does. I'm still nervous though lol, and feel like maybe I could've worked on the PS a little more but, I wanted to be done this month (11th hour huh??) and one can keep always working on the PS even when you're satisfied. When does it stop? It was good, several readers liked it and people who helped me edit it, and each revision I did lately barely changed, but I think this last one sealed the deal. Though tonight I thought of one sentence I could have added or changed, but it had to end, ha.
 
Longshanks said:
Yes it does. I'm still nervous though lol, and feel like maybe I could've worked on the PS a little more but, I wanted to be done this month (11th hour huh??) and one can keep always working on the PS even when you're satisfied. When does it stop? It was good, several readers liked it and people who helped me edit it, and each revision I did lately barely changed, but I think this last one sealed the deal. Though tonight I thought of one sentence I could have added or changed, but it had to end, ha.
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I know what you mean. I was helping a friend out with her PS tonight, and afterwards, I pulled mine back up and after reading through I thought, "Man...I really shoulda added another phrase to that sentence"...unfortunately it's too late since I already submitted. But I'm happy with what I have and fairly confident that it'll make the cut. I'm sure all of us neurotic SDN'ers will be just fine. 🙂
 
loua0731 said:
I know what you mean. I was helping a friend out with her PS tonight, and afterwards, I pulled mine back up and after reading through I thought, "Man...I really shoulda added another phrase to that sentence"...unfortunately it's too late since I already submitted. But I'm happy with what I have and fairly confident that it'll make the cut. I'm sure all of us neurotic SDN'ers will be just fine. 🙂
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Yeah, for sure. So I guess some schools send out secondaries without even being verified yet? I got an e-mail secondary invite an hour after submitting...

Well, very long day so going to bed.
 
Longshanks said:
Yeah, for sure. So I guess some schools send out secondaries without even being verified yet? I got an e-mail secondary invite an hour after submitting...

Well, very long day so going to bed.
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Yep, i got GWU a few days ago and I'm not verified yet.

Night!
 
you guys need to stop watching me when i'm getting ready for bed
 
whimsical said:
🙂 Did someone say naked?
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Where??!

Back earlier than expected. As they say in the (fire spinning) community... if you play with fire, you get burned.

burnedq.jpg


But, I'm a vampire, so it'll heal quick.

vampiresmile.jpg
 
You weren't kidding about the canines! 🙂

So naturally, as I am still slacking on this bioethics paper due tomorrow, I started drafting my secondary essays for UMich. Just realized that it's already 3 am. :wow:

Hasta manana...
 
CougarMD said:
Nice canines😉

You look so freakin' young..I feel old now🙂
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It's okay. Hang around me and you'll feel young 😛

loua0731 said:
You weren't kidding about the canines! 🙂

So naturally, as I am still slacking on this bioethics paper due tomorrow, I started drafting my secondary essays for UMich. Just realized that it's already 3 am. :wow:

Hasta manana...
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Told ya =P

DO IT! Also, umich essays suck. haha. Gotta get all my secondaries from this week in by saturday afternoon. Tis my goal.


btw... I am young [comparatively]. I figure it'll be a good thing when I get old.
 
rHinO1 said:
I won't put up with your socal bashing 😛

It is awesome here!! 👍
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I don't live there!! You know where I live! It is hell!🙂


Ok, after 11 hours of studying....I am taking a knee and not showing up for the exam. (It will get dropped and I will get a B in the class....unless I royally mess up)
I feel like a loser.
 
wow, thank you guys for providing me with something to do for the last hour, reading the last few pages about canines and feet was fairly entertaining haha
so bored of working for a pharma company, altho technically i guess im being paid to work on my secondaries since no one keeps track of me..
 
jaxasp said:
wow, thank you guys for providing me with something to do for the last hour, reading the last few pages about canines and feet was fairly entertaining haha
so bored of working for a pharma company, altho technically i guess im being paid to work on my secondaries since no one keeps track of me..
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Which pharma company do you work for? You can PM me if you like.

And I know the feeling, but sometimes my boss keeps me so busy I can barely sit down. Very feast-or-famine.
 
what do you guys think would be better to live with, other M1s or non med people. I think with other M1s obvi youd have a lot in common with but, it might be nice to not get caught up in the bubble of medicine and remember what normal people are like. i cnat afford to live alone so thats not really an option
 
i feel we're at an inflection point for the growth of the 2015 thread
 
Elijah05 said:
what do you guys think would be better to live with, other M1s or non med people. I think with other M1s obvi youd have a lot in common with but, it might be nice to not get caught up in the bubble of medicine and remember what normal people are like. i cnat afford to live alone so thats not really an option
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Depends on the age and career. You're married, right?

If they're old enough and have to get up and go to a real job every day....then non med people. Otherwise, med people....non med people don't get it and may think it is cool to play xbox loudly until 4am
 
CougarMD said:
Depends on the age and career. You're married, right?

If they're old enough and have to get up and go to a real job every day....then non med people. Otherwise, med people....non med people don't get it and may think it is cool to play xbox loudly until 4am
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well i am but long story short my wife and son wont be able to move up with me until 1-2 years from now..so for now im looking to room. later obvi i will have my own place. because i waited so long for housing theres not a lot left.
 
nossan said:
Everyone else - hey. I have just gotten on this thread and am trying to catch up a little. Nice combination of support, information and entertainment. I am applying this cycle and am not without issues😱
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jaxasp said:
wow, thank you guys for providing me with something to do for the last hour, reading the last few pages about canines and feet was fairly entertaining haha
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:hello::hello: Welcome! I'm new too--just jumped on the thread a couple days ago.

FlowRate said:
Told ya =P

DO IT! Also, umich essays suck. haha. Gotta get all my secondaries from this week in by saturday afternoon. Tis my goal.
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They do indeed. The diversity one is killer. Luckily, I faced the exact same prompt when applying for their undergrad 😎
 
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Welcome all newbies! (yes, I'm a little slow)
 
i really just want to write "what diversity i bring to the table should be PLENTY obvious."
 
bleargh said:
i really just want to write "what diversity i bring to the table should be PLENTY obvious."
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:laugh: legit. plus i feel like it's really awkward/difficult to write an essay about how special and great you are.
 
jaxasp said:
wow, thank you guys for providing me with something to do for the last hour, reading the last few pages about canines and feet was fairly entertaining haha
so bored of working for a pharma company, altho technically i guess im being paid to work on my secondaries since no one keeps track of me..
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nossan said:
MB333 - Happy Canada Day! I'm in Toronto for a few weeks. Where's a good place to watch fireworks tonight? I'm in midtown.

Everyone else - hey. I have just gotten on this thread and am trying to catch up a little. Nice combination of support, information and entertainment. I am applying this cycle and am not without issues😱
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welcome!!!
 
yeah. too self-serving. i've never really be one to promote myself... i'm more of a self-deprecating kind of dude..
 
FlowRate said:
Where??!

Back earlier than expected. As they say in the (fire spinning) community... if you play with fire, you get burned.

burnedq.jpg


But, I'm a vampire, so it'll heal quick.

vampiresmile.jpg
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you do look very young, but you are too adorable!
 
CougarMD said:
I don't live there!! You know where I live! It is hell!🙂


Ok, after 11 hours of studying....I am taking a knee and not showing up for the exam. (It will get dropped and I will get a B in the class....unless I royally mess up)
I feel like a loser.
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haha you know I'm j/k

here is a video on grades to cheer you up 🙂
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bZYkPd7yAs[/YOUTUBE]
Elijah05 said:
what do you guys think would be better to live with, other M1s or non med people. I think with other M1s obvi youd have a lot in common with but, it might be nice to not get caught up in the bubble of medicine and remember what normal people are like. i cnat afford to live alone so thats not really an option
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My situation will likely end up being similar to yours next year. I would probably choose to live with another MS1 (MS2 would be better 👍). Although it would be nice to get out of the med school bubble, you probably won't have much time to take advantage of it and it will likely end up being more of a distraction. Other people just won't understand the demands on your time.

Just try to find a chill MS1. :luck:


With our thread blowing up, I wish I had more time to keep up. Super busy lately.
 
bleargh said:
yeah. too self-serving. i've never really be one to promote myself... i'm more of a self-deprecating kind of dude..
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bleargh said:
i really just want to write "what diversity i bring to the table should be PLENTY obvious."
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loua0731 said:
:laugh: legit. plus i feel like it's really awkward/difficult to write an essay about how special and great you are.
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I guess I've gotten pretty good at tooting my own horn between all the job interviews and essays I've written in college. It's really important to get comfortable with it IMO. But I also totally agree... I was like:

1. Passion essay
"Cool I have passion *writes essay*"
2. Diversity essay
"Umm. I just told you about what makes me diverse."
 
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