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Cleveland Clinic Program? Any opinions?
Started by vigvik
extremely large program. felt sort of sterile and highly impersonal. you will be very busy there. cleveland sucks. overall you will be well trained. tired today.
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I start an MS-IV rotation there on Monday, Oct. 4. I'll get back to you.
A good friend of mine trained there and finished in 2002. It is a private institution so your autonomy will be very restricted. The flip side is that you will see cases that people in other programs may not see. GREAT for cardiac anesthesia.
HomerSimpson said:
I just finished a rotation at an Osteopathic anesthesia program in Cleveland that sends its residents to the Cleveland Clinic for out-rotations. Not only that, but many of the nurses I worked with had also worked at the clinic. Some things I heard during the month I was there from those residents and nurses were:
1. Nursing care is suspect because of burn-out and high turnover rates. Many physicians, especially attendings, abuse the nurses quite a bit.
2. The culture within the clinic is something of a "caste" system. There's the physicians (residents included)...and then everyone else.
3. As a resident, they will work you very, very hard. Don't expect getting out early all that often.
4. In anesthesia, your autonomy will be limited within the OR until much later in your residency than you might expect.
5. There's a lot more didactics there than most other programs. You spend a sizably larger time in a classroom compared to your OR time.
6. Being a resident there means being involved in research.
Some of this has a negative slant to it for sure. I can't pass judgment on a program, epsecially one with the name power of CCF, based on second-hand experiences. It does, however, present me with some tangible concerns that I will have to investigate for myself while I'm up there to interview. Definitely some questions that will need to be asked.
- Joe
hello all...
ccf is actually a great program. not to completely go against what everybody else has said, but i have noticed that there is a great amount of autonomy there and you will see everything under the sun there. i think a great barometer of how good a program is asking residents how they like their program and almost every single person i talked to loved it. also, most of the attendings are extremely laid back and approachable.
ccf is actually a great program. not to completely go against what everybody else has said, but i have noticed that there is a great amount of autonomy there and you will see everything under the sun there. i think a great barometer of how good a program is asking residents how they like their program and almost every single person i talked to loved it. also, most of the attendings are extremely laid back and approachable.
I think the Clinic is for the type of student who wants to learn before they do rather than do before they learn. IMHO these are the best programs. Didactics, simulators, and faculty one-on-one teaching are the best ways to teach residents especially in this field. Autonomy is often not the best way to learn for a resident anyway, it just leads to dangerous situations i think where your learning will often come at the expense of someone's life. At facilities like CCF,Yale, stanford where the primary focus is TEACHING you rather than keeping the schedule, you can find a good program. Doing a lot of cases does little for your education if the quality of cases suck. If you do 300 lap choles that's great until you hit practice and have to do an EC-IC bypass or a Giant cerebral aneurysm with circ arrest and have never done one or even heard of one. At places like the Clinic where the referal base cannot be beat you will be exposed to these cases and more. So your life as a resident won't be great but your skill as an anesthesiologist will be better than certain programs where you are just cheap labor. i won't name any names but they are out there.
Perhaps you ought to name them. People are in the midst of making important decisions and could use the information.
These are just testimonials that I have gotten second and even third hand, but they are from people i would trust why would they lie right?
1. USC
2. Ochsner
3. SUNY brooklyn
4. UMDNJ
5. Wayne State
6. U. Ab Birmingham ( a little surprising)
Again these are just the opinions of some people. The thing i heard in common about these programs is that you are worked extremely hard without much educational benefit.
1. USC
2. Ochsner
3. SUNY brooklyn
4. UMDNJ
5. Wayne State
6. U. Ab Birmingham ( a little surprising)
Again these are just the opinions of some people. The thing i heard in common about these programs is that you are worked extremely hard without much educational benefit.
umdnj= sweatshop without didactics
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