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  1. Jon Snow

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    Here is an interesting article.. .

    Clinical psychology Ph.D. program rankings: evaluating eminence on faculty
    publications and citations

    Research in Developmental Disabilities 26 (2005) 503–513
    Johnny L. Matson *, Carrie J. Malone, Melissa L. Gonza´lez,
    David R. McClure, Rinita B. Laud, Noha F. Minshawi

    In order. . .


    University of Pennsylvania 3.0 2.0 5.0 1.0
    University of Rochester 4.0 3.0 7.0 2.0
    University of Wisconsin-Madison 9.0 1.0 10.0 3.0
    Yale University 1.5 10.0 11.5 4.0
    University of California-Berkley 9.0 6.0 15.0 5.0
    Louisiana State University 1.5 16.0 17.5 6.0
    University of Iowa 14.5 5.0 19.5 7.0
    Peabody College of Vanderbilt University 13.0 7.0 20.0 8.0
    Temple University 14.5 8.0 22.5 9.0
    University of Vermont 6.0 19.0 25.0 10.0
    Indiana University 22.5 4.0 26.5 11.0
    University of Texas-Austin 19.5 9.0 28.5 12.0
    State University of New York-Stony Brook 16.0 13.0 29.0 13.5
    University of Pittsburgh 18.0 11.0 29.0 13.5
    Rutgers University-Ph.D. 5.0 28.0 33.0 15.0
    University of Minnesota 22.5 12.0 34.5 16.0
    Syracuse University 11.5 26.5 38.0 17.0
    University of Maryland-College Park 28.0 17.0 45.0 18.0
    Virginia Polytechnic Institute 7.0 39.0 46.0 19.0
    University of California-LA 26.0 22.0 48.0 20.0
    McGill University 30.0 20.0 50.0 21.0
    University of Oregon 38.0 15.0 53.0 22.0
    Case Western Reserve University 9.0 45.0 54.0 23.0
    University of Rhode Island 40.5 14.0 54.5 24.0
    University of Southern California 22.5 33.0 55.5 25.0
    University of Kentucky 22.5 35.0 57.5 26.0
    Duke University 28.0 30.0 58.0 27.0
    University of Miami 40.5 18.0 58.5 28.5
    University of Nevada-Reno 17.0 41.5 58.5 28.5
    University of British Columbia 33.5 26.5 60.0 30.0
    State University of New York-Albany 11.5 52.0 63.5 31.0
    Northwestern University 36.0 29.0 65.0 32.0
    State University of New York-Buffalo 42.0 25.0 67.0 33.0
    Rutgers University-Psy.D. 19.5 49.5 69.0 34.5
    University of Washington 38.0 31.0 69.0 34.5
    University of Memphis 25.0 47.0 72.0 36.0
    Arizona State University 38.0 36.0 74.0 37.5
    University of Denver 51.0 23.0 74.0 37.5
    Columbia University Teachers College 28.0 48.0 76.0 39.0
    University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill 46.0 32.0 78.0 40.0
    University of South Florida 35.0 43.5 78.5 41.0
    Pennsylvania State University 58.5 24.0 82.5 42.0
    University of Georgia 33.5 49.5 83.0 43.0
    University of Arizona 31.0 56.0 87.0 44.0
    University of Utah 46.0 41.5 87.5 45.0
    University of Illinois-Urbana/Champaign 55.0 34.0 89.0 46.0
    Boston University 55.0 37.0 92.0 47.0
    University of Virginia 55.0 38.0 93.0 48.0
    University of North Texas 46.0 51.0 97.0 49.0
    Vanderbilt University 76.5 21.0 97.5 50.0
    University of New Mexico 58.5 43.5 102.0 51.0
    University of Hawaii-Manoa 46.0 58.5 104.5 52.5
    University of Michigan 46.0 58.5 104.5 52.5
    Catholic University of America 51.0 54.0 105.0 53.0
    Emory University 62.0 46.0 108.0 54.0
    New School University 32.0 78.5 110.5 55.0
    Kent State University 46.0 68.0 114.0 56.0
    University of Denver 80.0 40.0 120.0 58.0
    Loyola University 55.0 67.0 122.0 59.5
    Ohio State University 62.0 60.0 122.0 59.5
    Ohio University 62.0 63.0 125.0 61.0
    University of Kansas 55.0 70.5 125.5 62.0
    University of Nebraska-Lincoln 68.0 61.5 129.5 63.0
    University of Illinois-Chicago 80.0 53.0 133.0 64.0
    Texas A&M University 62.0 72.0 134.0 65.5
    University of Colorado-Boulder 68.0 66.0 134.0 65.5
    Nova Southeastern University 51.0 84.5 135.5 67.0
    Washington University 71.5 64.5 136.0 68.0
    Pacific Graduate School of Psychology 62.0 76.0 138.0 69.5
    University of Delaware 76.5 61.5 138.0 69.5
    State University of New York-Binghamton 46.0 93.5 139.5 71.0
    Florida State University 76.5 64.5 141.0 72.0
    Virginia Commonwealth University 71.5 70.5 142.0 73.0
    University of Houston 68.0 77.0 145.0 74.0
    San Diego State University 65.0 81.0 146.0 75.0
    University of Alabama 73.5 73.0 146.5 76.0
    Northern Illinois University 68.0 86.0 154.0 77.0
    West Virginia University 68.0 87.0 155.0 78.0
    University of Missouri-Columbia 100.0 57.0 157.0 79.0
    George Mason University 89.5 74.0 163.5 80.0
    University of South Carolina 82.5 83.0 165.5 81.0
    University of Florida 100.0 69.0 169.0 82.0
    Concordia University-Canada 85.5 84.5 170.0 83.0
    Southern Illinois University-Carbondale 73.5 97.0 170.5 84.0
    Purdue University 94.0 78.5 172.5 85.0
    Bowling Green State University 100.0 75.0 175.0 86.5
    University of West Ontario 94.0 81.0 175.0 86.5
    Clark University 121.5 55.0 176.5 88.0
    Finch University of Health Sciences 100.0 81.0 181.0 89.5
    Fordham University 82.5 98.5 181.0 89.5
    Northwestern University Medical School 94.0 90.0 184.0 91.0
    Brigham Young University 94.0 91.0 185.0 92.0
    University of Tennessee-Knoxville 85.5 102.0 187.5 93.0
    Michigan State University 85.5 105.0 190.5 94.0
    Miami University-Ohio 100.0 92.0 192.0 95.0
    DePaul University 76.5 117.5 194.0 96.5
    New York University 80.0 114.0 194.0 96.5
    Drexel University 100.0 95.0 195.0 98.0
    Georgia State University 109.0 88.5 197.5 99.0
    University of Manitoba 89.5 109.0 198.5 100.0
    University of Virginia (School of Education) 100.0 101.0 201.0 101.0
    Wayne State University 109.0 93.5 202.5 102.0
    Simon Fraser University 109.0 96.0 205.0 103.0
    Auburn University 109.0 98.5 207.5 104.0
    University of Southern Mississippi 89.5 119.5 209.0 105.0
    University of North Carolina-Greensboro 121.5 88.5 210.0 106.0
    University of Massachusetts-Amherst 85.5 126.0 211.5 107.0
    University of Arkansas 109.0 106.5 215.5 108.5
    University of Ottowa 109.0 106.5 215.5 108.5
    University of Wyoming 94.0 123.0 217.0 110.0
    University of Connecticut 118.0 100.0 218.0 111.0
    University of Louisville 109.0 110.5 219.5 112.0
    Oklahoma State University 109.0 115.0 224.0 113.0
    American University 121.5 103.0 224.5 114.0
    St. John’s University 89.5 136.0 225.5 115.0
    St. Louis University 109.0 119.5 228.5 116.0
    University of Waterloo 127.0 104.0 231.0 117.5
    York University 118.0 113.0 231.0 117.5
    University of Mississippi 109.0 127.0 236.0 119.0
    University of Cincinnati 115.5 121.0 236.5 120.0
    Adelphi University 109.0 129.0 238.0 121.0
    University of Alabama-Birmingham 127.0 112.0 239.0 122.0
    City University of New York 118.0 122.0 240.0 123.0
    Baylor University 127.0 116.0 243.0 124.0
    Illinois Institute of Technology 134.5 110.5 245.0 125.0
    University of Toledo 138.5 108.0 246.5 126.0
    University of Missouri-St. Louis 115.5 132.0 247.5 127.0
    University of Windsor 124.0 128.0 252.0 128.0
    Washington State University 131.0 125.0 256.0 129.0
    University of Maine 127.0 133.0 260.0 130.0
    Utah State University 137.0 124.0 261.0 131.0
    Pepperdine University 145.5 117.5 263.0 132.0
    Indiana State University 134.5 130.0 264.5 133.0
    Texas Tech University 127.0 138.5 265.5 134.0
    Farleigh Dickinson University 121.5 145.5 267.0 135.5
    Long Island University-Brooklyn 131.0 136.0 267.0 135.5
    Western Michigan University 138.5 131.0 269.5 137.0
    Fuller Theological Seminary 131.0 140.0 271.0 138.0
    University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee 134.5 138.5 273.0 139.0
    University of North Dakota 134.5 144.0 278.5 140.0
    Central Michigan University 145.5 134.0 279.5 141.0
    Virginia Consortium Program 141.5 143.0 284.5 142.0
    George Washington University 145.5 141.0 286.5 143.0
    University of Montana 145.5 142.0 287.5 144.0
    Howard University 141.5 148.0 289.5 145.0
    Pacific University 155.5 136.0 291.5 146.0
    Long Island University-C.W. Post Campus 141.5 150.5 292.0 147.0
    Florida Institute of Technology 148.5 145.5 294.0 148.0
    Wright State University 141.5 154.0 295.5 149.0
    Spalding University 151.0 147.0 298.0 150.0
    Widener University 148.5 150.5 299.0 151.0
    Biola University-Ph.D. 151.0 150.5 301.5 152.5
    University of South Dakota 151.0 150.5 301.5 152.5
    University of Hartford 153.0 150.5 303.5 154.0
    George Fox University 154.0 155.0 309.0 155.0
    Yeshiva University 155.5 157.0 312.5 156.0
    University of Detroit Mercy 157.0 156.0 313.0 157.0
     
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    kent state represent!
     
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    LSU at 4!?!?!? WHAT!!!
     
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    Out of curiosity, In considering where this was published, I am wondering whether this only applies to those studying developmental disabilties and not other aspects of psych. That would explain SDSU being so low on the list.
     
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    If this was a well-conducted, unbiased study on clinical psychology program rankings, it would not be published in some obscure journal on developmental disabilities. Some more mainstream clinical psychology journal (e.g., American Psychologist) would publish it. My take is that it's a bunch of self-interested Louisiana psychologists who needed an ego boost. Sheesh! As if getting RxP was not enough! :laugh:
     
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    Personally, I find the following a much more interesting and relevant paper. And lo and behold, it's actually published in a clinical psychology journal!

    Ilardi, S.S., Rodriguez-Hanley,A., Roberts-Michael, C., & Seigel, J. (2000). On the origins of clinical psychology faculty: Who is training the trainers? Clinical-Psychology:-Science-and-Practice, 7, 346-354.

    In this study, the authors examined how many graduates from each program go on to secure faculty positions. Based on this methodology, the top 10 ranked programs (the list is much more extensive - read the paper) were:

    Rank order of programs based on total # of clinical faculty members trained:
    Univ. of Illinois - Champaign-Urbana
    Stony Brook
    Univ. of Michigan
    Univ. of Minnesota
    Univ. of Georgia
    Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
    Indiana Univ.
    UT-Austin
    UCLA
    Pitt

    Programs that have trained 5 or more faculty members between 1988-1998:
    Stony Brook
    UCLA
    Univ. of Georgia
    McGill
    Univ. of Washington

    This looks more representative to me.

    What's also nice about this paper is that it clarifies how certain programs have had major paradigm shifts within the past 10 years or so, and how the results of such would not be reflected in these numbers - yet. Two examples I remember were Temple and Univ. of Colorado-Boulder.
     
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    There are many ways to examine program strength depending on your interests and agenda. I thought that examining faculty productivity was an interesting approach.


    Looking at graduating classes and how many faculty are placed does introduce a bias towards larger programs in my opinion. A percentage argument might make more sense. For example, University of Wisconsin-Madison is a gigantic program.

    Th study I posted accounts for size because it uses mean number of publications per faculty member along with mean citation count per faculty.
     
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    Why in the hell would you judge the 'strength' of a program based on publications? This might just mean that the university is more academically focused. Academically focused universities don't necessarily produce the best clinicians.
     
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    Not everyone is motivated to go into clinical psychology to just be a clinician. It makes alot of sense if you are academically minded to look at research productivity. Though, the benefits of academic expertise in clinical training I think should be pretty clear. It's nice to know why and what one should be doing as a clinician. Otherwise, everyone might be doing thought-field therapy or join the throng of "eclectic" (read: don't know anything) therapists.
     
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    Your post indicates that you may be quite misinformed in terms of the responsiblities of a clinical psych PHD.

    Hint: nowadays it is not to work as a clinician.
     
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    Good point.
     
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    Nonetheless, faculty productivity does not always equate with good mentorship and graduate training. Sad, but true.

    In any case, I think the point is that there really needs to be a multilevel approach to evaluating the quality of any graduate program. Faculty, student outcomes, availability of research opportunities in different areas, etc.

    For example, Temple is an excellent program if you're interested in a career focused on anxiety/mood disorders. But if you want training for a career focused on addictions research, it's not going to be a strong training program for you (as far as I can tell, anyway).
     
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    Another problem with this ranking system is that it doesn't take into account the quality of publications. The faculty at my university have a philosophy that if something is not going to be published in JCCP, Abnormal, Psych Bull, or about 2-3 other prestigious journals they won't publish it at all. Odd but true!
     
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    It actually does. It has a citation component.
     

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