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hi, this question is for those docs out there who started a practice cold. would you mind sharing with me how many patients you saw during your first month? second, third, fourth, etc? What year you started and population size of your area?

i'm trying to get a realistic idea of how slow of a start to expect when opening cold (not when buying out another doc's office).

i appreciate anyone willing to share their stats with me (and pray to the gods that this doesn't derail into a tirade about how i can expect zero patients)

thanks!
 
The first week cold I had 4 patients. I recruited them while in line at Bojangles and McDonalds (two of them never paid me 🙁 ). The next week, 5 patients. At the end of one year, I was seeing about 10-12 patients per week. This equaled about $6,000 total income per month. Overhead was about $8,000/month in the beginning (now my overhead is $25,000 per month-- meaning that's what I have to make to pay the bills before I collect one cent for my work).

So I had to work elsewhere just to supplement the practice. It was sacrifice like crazy and work like a dog. I had to do the construction in the office myself because I didn't have any money for an architect or construction crew. I set up my own computer networks. I set up my own opthalmic equipment (after borrowing another $150,000 from a bank to buy it). I was in the office by 7 am and didn't leave until 7 or 8 pm in the beginning. I worked 6 days per week.

I hustled nursing home administrators to let me see their half-dying patients. I talked an OMD into letting to work with him part-time (and watched him do alot of surgery). I set up screenings all over town. I gave talks to church seniors groups (averaged one patient for every 50 people you talk to). I practically begged people to come to my office. I took out billboard advertisments ($800 to set up and $500 per month). I had a half page yellow page ad for $700/month. I worked part time for an optician for a while. I worked part time in a VA hospital for a time.

It took me 4 years to just to break even. This was back in the late 90's and before a 50% increase in ODs to my area.

After 15 years, I am still not booked out more than 1 week (while working only 4 days per week). Just an example. Cold starting is VERY hard. You start with ZERO patients and try to snowball them. Did I mention it was hard? No one is without eyecare currently. So you will be stealing them from other practices. Many of the patients you will get are pain-in-the-ass ones that have been kicked out of other practices.

That's what makes it hard. You definately have to have a thick skin. The learning curve is GREAT. Just learning how to bill probably will probably take you the better part of 2 years. Getting set up with Medicare and insurance companies will take you a year or more. Learning to be a good boss will take you years. None of this is taught in school.
 
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thanks for the post tippy toe. i appreciate you taking the time to share.
i understand it is very, very difficult to start cold but i am still holding out hope. i plan on working a couple days part time somewhere else until i can start generating an income from my practice. i expect to lose money at first, but it's discouraging that it took you FOUR YEARS to break even. was your office in a good location-one where you could generate walk-in traffic?
did you do your own accounting work when you first started? i'm wondering if the few hundred dollars a month is worth having an accountant take care of all the tax stuff.
i have a lot of work experience in retail and office management. i have also worked in an opt office, so i have at least a partial idea of how to handle insurance and run a business. i'm mostly concerned about getting enough patients.
luckily, it's easy to find an inexpensive lease (or purchase price) where i plan to practice. i figure if i started BARE BONES i may be able to keep my starting overhead at about $5000-$5500 a month, maybe less, although this does not include much advertising which i think is absolutely neccessary.
do you mind me asking what the majority of your current $25,000 overhead consists of?
since you now work 4 days a week and are able to meet such a high overhead, then is it safe to assume you are satisfied with your current income?
 
thanks for the post tippy toe. i appreciate you taking the time to share.
i understand it is very, very difficult to start cold but i am still holding out hope. i plan on working a couple days part time somewhere else until i can start generating an income from my practice. i expect to lose money at first, but it's discouraging that it took you FOUR YEARS to break even. was your office in a good location-one where you could generate walk-in traffic?

I'm in a professional office complex beside a dentist. We are on a major road but very little walk-in traffic. I set up as a 'medical type' office targeting exams and eye treatments over optical since the competition here is outrageous. It's worked out well overall. I do have an optical but it play a minor role. If i had the money I'd open up on a major corner across from a CVS or other major chain.

The overhead rises as you grow due to more employees, equipment loans, bigger office and TAXES and more TAXES!! Optical overhead also rises of course. As a matter of fact, I posted an acutal monthly breakdown on SDN somewhere a whlile back. You might be able to search for it.

I'd recommend getting set up with an accountant and open as an S-corp right off the bat. You will need him sooner or later. Accounting cost me from $3,000 to $5,000 a year for the phone book size tax returns I do payroll myself through www.paycycle.com It's very easy and you can do quarterly taxes on that site too. Very inexpensive.

It's been a long time since I opened. Time are definately different. You probably should visit a few cold practices that are a few years old if you haven't already. Just make sure it's not in an area you want to set up or you might not make it out of their office alive. ODs are VERY territorial, petty, jealous and vindictive.

If your set on opening cold and have a good location in mind, you will be much happier and miles ahead of your classmates that end up jumping from store to store.

A couple of tidbits:

1. Book your few patients very close together. A busy looking office looks better than having only one patient there. You'll only need to be in your office 1 or two half days per week. But keep a receptionist there full time. Don't close during lunch because that's when patients want to come to pick up their glasses or CLs.

2. Don't answer your own phone. All you need initially is a receptionist. You can do everything else yourself. Don't answer on the first ring but don't let it ring more than 3 times.

3. Don't schedule the patients too quickly. It looks bad if get them in the next day. People expect good doctors to be booked for a least a week (unless it's an emergency.

4. Have an on-hold message system.
5. You strength being new and opening cold is that you have all the time in the world to spend with the pt. Some like it. Some want to get out as quick as they can.
6. Also pay yourself first if you can. Many times there will not be any money left over at the end of the month. But if you don't pay yourself, it's a sure receipe for burnout.
7. Don't change people too much. If the patients is happy with their acuity. Don't give them another 2.00 diopters of astigmatism (even if they need it). You are asking for trouble. Listen to the patient. They will tell you want they want.
8. Hire personality and train them how you want. Nothing ruins a practice more than grumpy, personality-less employees (or doctor).
9. Don't skimp on equipment. You don't have to have the latest OCT when you first open. But you want to have a plan to get it all over time.
10. If nothing else, learn the foreign language that is insuance coding. Even if you have a coding employee, never forget how to do it yourself. Many a practice have suffered by an insurance person embezzling.
 
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All good advise, my experiences have been similar.

Went whole days without any patients in the early days. Sure marketing will help, but how you gonna pay for it?

I was in the black sooner, but I'm in a small town...remember the SDN mantra.."go rural young man." Actually, we have more ODs than needed these days.

I do payroll and books, have accountant do taxes.

Started with receptionist and part time optician. Doing it over I would wait on the optician till you get busy. You can do all that yourself.

My overhead is probably lower due to owning my own building.

Like Tippytoe it's medical style, not retail or optical.

Nothing like being self employed but you've got to be patient and helps to have outside income.
 
I set up screenings all over town. I gave talks to church seniors groups (averaged one patient for every 50 people you talk to).

You vastly overstate the success rate of this method IMO :laugh::laugh:

I tried doing a few of these when I started, it seemed like a waste. I shared my experience in this thread:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=728715

for the lazy, here is the copy/paste of the relevant part:

Actually I have gone to one of the local nursing homes and given a presentation as well. Probably that was more of a colossal waste of time than the optom dinners. It was a good idea, just the circumstances that probably frequently arise at nursing homes made it frustrating. They had a lunchtime activity set up every day, sometimes it was arts and crafts, bingo, etc. The day I went it was me giving a talk on the aging eye. About 5 residents showed up as well as a couple of the staff members. However it was fairly frustrating because probably 3 of the 5 were quite demented, and about 5 min into the presentation this lady rolled in on her wheelchair and immediately announced very loudly "I can't hear a $@$@#@ thing you're saying!!!" I tried to speak up as much as I felt comfortable with without outright yelling (I am not a particularly soft-spoken person), but she still couldn't hear and announced so every 2 minutes or so. A couple of the demented residents would intermittently share stories completely unrelated to eyes. After about 10 minutes the wheelchair lady grew increasingly agitated that she couldn't hear and rolled out in a storm of expletives. 5 minutes after that she rolled back in and again complained angrily and loudly that she couldn't hear. It was more comical than anything, but fairly frustrating as well. Probably much more value in the staff members hearing the talk than the residents, but I'm not sure I directly generated any patients via that visit.
 
lol that's hilarious. If that was the case I would have cut down my talk time significantly and just say screw it.
 
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