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Overall, which is a better school to attend, Buffalo or Columbia, especially as a NY resident and an Ivy League graduate (from undergrad)?
I understand that saving money is very important, but isn't student life, location, reputation, networking, city-life, pass/fail grading, specialty rates, etc?
Especially if i plan to work in NYC after I graduate...
 
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Overall, which is a better school to attend, Buffalo or Columbia, especially as a NY resident and an Ivy League graduate (from undergrad)?
I understand that saving money is very important, but isn't student life, location, reputation, networking, city-life, pass/fail grading, specialty rates, etc?
Especially if i plan to work in NYC after I graduate...

Ivy League graduate? No way! Should I be impressed?
(Sorry, but it matters zero in private practice.)

Sounds like you really want to go to Columbia but want us to tell you to choose Buffalo.
 
Overall, which is a better school to attend, Buffalo or Columbia, especially as a NY resident and an Ivy League graduate (from undergrad)? I was going to say Buffalo, buuuutttt since you are an Ivy League grad the answer is clear: Columbia. haha


I understand that saving money is very important, but isn't student life, location, reputation, networking, city-life, pass/fail grading, specialty rates, etc?
No.


Especially if i plan to work in NYC after I graduate...
NO!!!!
 
Expect the most from yourself; the school you go really won't make a difference.
Be quick, so someone else will get an offer too.
 
What IF the school is paid for by the army, then what?
 
Location: both are crappy or awesome ( it depends on you)
Student life: in both classes there will be awesome students, jackasses, nerds,..
City life: neither one ( my opinion,plz keep your opinions about mine to urselves)




Specialty: here is good point. Specialty depends on class rank. From what I've heard EVERY BODY wanna specialize at columbia, so tell me champ, which one gives you a better chance to specialize? a class full of gunners or the other one?

disclaimer: I dont go to either one, and please dont comment on my post if you dont like what I say
 
What IF the school is paid for by the army, then what?
 
What IF the school is paid for by the army, then what?

No need to post twice.

You must consider your stipend is the same which ever school you go to. 2060 before tax a month will go a lot further in buffalo than nyc.
 
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Whatever happened to your choices between NYU, Tufts, Pittsburgh? Whatever we all said about these three schools also apply to Columbia and Buffalo.
 
i know you said you dont want people to comment on your statement, but dont say something if you have no idea what your talking about

absolutely no one in my class is a gunner. Its h/p/f, the honors motivates people to try their best but no one competes against each other, everyone just shares whatever notes they have. Also not everyone wants to honors or specialize. At this point the vast majority of the class just want options.

About half of the class specializes here at Columbia, the vast majority of the remainder get into a GPR. I dont know if I want to specialize yet but the fact that we placed something like 14 people into ortho this year speaks for itself. Sure you could say these people might have gotten in anyway, but personally I am happier trying to get into the top half of my class then the top five.

Also columbia definitely gives you the NYC experience, the A train is a super easy ride to wherever you want to go in NYC and taxis are pretty cheap and easy if you have a group on the way home.

works great, i have been out plenty so far.
 
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Well I wouldn't say our class doesn't have any gunners, but I agree that NYC probably beats Buffalo in terms of student life/location. I think it comes down to do you want to specialize. Yes-Columbia, No-Buffalo. There is a giant price difference. The best thing about Columbia in my mind is the students themselves. Both our class and the one before us are great groups of kids. Just a few off-the-wall comments.
 
How important is it to go to Columbia if I want to specialize? Is it really significant?
Also, at Buffalo you don't get your own chair anymore.... does that change anything?
Thanks
 
A Columbia class without gunners...did hell freeze over?

If you want to specialize, you can do it from ANY school. I make this statement after having been on the interview trail and meeting applicants and residents from all sorts of schools.

Some schools have a stronger focus on didactics and lesser focus on clinical skills. Often, these schools are filled with people who want to specialize and up until the class of 2014, gunners. The nice thing about a school like Buffalo is that it is filled with people who just want to be GPs and get out in the real world to start working. That makes the competition to be near the top a lot less intense.
 
Buffalo is having issues with international students now... accepting a LOT more international students (dentists), who will add more competition, take away chairs, raise the curve, take top ranking spots, and thin out the faculty and patient population. A big cause for concern?
 
They can't rank international dentists with regular students, it does nothing to the competition, curve or ranks. If they add students, they will have to add faculty to maintain the faculty/student ratio.

Students were losing their own chairs before the IDP was even a thought, the new dean thinks it will be better for students. The only concern I would have is how it will effect the number of patients available. Although, their seems to be a relatively large pool of them out there...so it will be ok I am guessing.
 
I heard that they do rank international students with regular students.... they do it at every other school too.
I heard with the addition of IDP, students will have a tough time to graduate and may have to stay an extra semester to graduate.... because the patient pool is already thin as of now due to the economy....
thoughts?
 
How do you rank international dentists against regular dental students when they haven't taken ANY of the same courses, join the curriculum 2 years late AND don't take the same courses or have the same requirements...Answer...you don't

Only way they could is if the FTD program is all 4 years.
 
Buffalo is having issues with international students now... accepting a LOT more international students (dentists), who will add more competition, take away chairs, raise the curve, take top ranking spots, and thin out the faculty and patient population. A big cause for concern?

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Overall, which is a better school to attend, Buffalo or Columbia, especially as a NY resident and an Ivy League graduate (from undergrad)?
I understand that saving money is very important, but isn't student life, location, reputation, networking, city-life, pass/fail grading, specialty rates, etc?
Especially if i plan to work in NYC after I graduate...
If you're an Ivy leaguer how could you ever step foot in a state school. I'd attend the Ivy school in a heart beat, regardless of cost, quality, etc., because you know what they say about those state boys.
 
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I can assure you they can and DO rank the international dentists with the normal students. So far, UB limited this number to 3, but now they want to accept 24 for the class of 2014 and 12 for the class of 2013. Of those 3 that they normally accept into 3rd year, they rank them based solely on CLINIC skills, and are given GPA's just like the rest of the student population. Since UB ranks solely on overall GPA, these international dentists can show up and rock clinic and all get into the tops of the ranks, pushing everyone else down on the latter.
 
I can assure you they can and DO rank the international dentists with the normal students. So far, UB limited this number to 3, but now they want to accept 24 for the class of 2014 and 12 for the class of 2013. Of those 3 that they normally accept into 3rd year, they rank them based solely on CLINIC skills, and are given GPA's just like the rest of the student population. Since UB ranks solely on overall GPA, these international dentists can show up and rock clinic and all get into the tops of the ranks, pushing everyone else down on the latter.

Unless they've changed the program to a 2 year program, international students showed up in the summer session between first and second years when I was there because it was a 3 year program. They had to suffer through second year with us which is (was?) the worst year at UB. Most of them I spoke with would say their dental schools back home were nothing like second year in the basement.
 
No offense to Gryffindor, but she graduated 7 years ago and is no longer even living in NY as far as I know. Now, I am not 100% on the ranking or not, but I do know that these international dentists are receiving a vastly different curriculum than traditional students and that would preclude any ability of the school to rank them with traditional students. I will try to find out if I am mistaken...but I doubt it.
 
If i plan to do military (navy) and all of dental school will be paid for, which is the better option? Columbia or Buffalo?
 
No offense to Gryffindor, but she graduated 7 years ago and is no longer even living in NY as far as I know. Now, I am not 100% on the ranking or not, but I do know that these international dentists are receiving a vastly different curriculum than traditional students and that would preclude any ability of the school to rank them with traditional students. I will try to find out if I am mistaken...but I doubt it.

LOL! I still live in NY, just not the Western part of it. I have no clue how international students are ranked today at Buffalo. Just wanted to give some perspective that they could be lumped in with the regular students, you never know. I had the same logic you did about ranking international students until we found out the school felt otherwise.
 
Oh...I thought you were down in NC or something. From the muttering I have heard from faculty, it is going to be different than the program in place. We have 2 foreign trained dentists in our class now...they are in a different program than the one that is being pushed.
 
Which school will have better access to clinical chairs/time?
 
I am hearing that at Buffalo, you need to be at the top 10% of your class in order to specialize.... but at Columbia, if you are at approximately the top 50%, you can still specialize, since they produce so many specialists (50% specialize, and 47% go to GPR/AEGD).... is this true?
And which school will have better access to clinical chairs/time?
 
I am hearing that at Buffalo, you need to be at the top 10% of your class in order to specialize.... but at Columbia, if you are at approximately the top 50%, you can still specialize, since they produce so many specialists (50% specialize, and 47% go to GPR/AEGD).... is this true?
And which school will have better access to clinical chairs/time?

There is so much statistical nonsense about specialization coming out of nowhere. Where did you hear this from?! Going to columbia automatically increases your chances of specializing 5x than if you attend Buffalo...Really? REALLY?! does this even sound like it makes any sense?

The way I see it is that many who attend Columbia are top caliber students who intend to specialize and take advantage of columbia's medical curriculum and kick ass at the boards/grades....so If everyone at columbia kicks ass at the boards and does well with grades then yes a lot of them will end up getting into residency programs.

In contrast Buffalo will have a mix of people from your student gunning for GPR to the other gunning for OMFS to the other gunning to just pass and open a private practice with minimal school debt. THe difference here is that since Buffalo is buffalo it doesn't attract as many gunners as would say a name columbia so you have a great mix of people at buffalo...HENCE the top 10% of buffalo are still those kick ass students you would typically see more of at columbia...there is just less of them and that's why there would be less people wishing to apply to residency programs and this lowers the percentage of people getting into residency programs (since there are less people aiming/applying for these residencies)

A smarter question to ask is not "how many students get into residency programs from XXXXX school?" but "how many students that apply for residency programs get into their residency of choice." This is a completely different matter...so ask around Columbia and Buffalo if they have any information about that.

Gosh all these people talking about XXXX school have this %%%% people going on to residencies and lalalal is craziness to me...use common sense and ask the right questions and don't dwell on these "statistics." 🙂
 
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Getting into a residency is about more than class rank and board scores. PASS has all sorts of sections that can be filled up with numerous different activities. After bolstering your resume' appropriately and doing well enough in school and on the boards to get interviews, you still have to interview well. Even after getting the interview, a lot of unforeseen factors can play in to who gets what residency position, although, I highly doubt that it has anything to do with school name at this point. There is always the who you know factor, who spent time at the program, etc. Additionally, there is pure dumb luck or bad luck...every program you interview at may really like you, rank you #2 behind the guy they really, really like and it just so happens that he really, really likes them too.

To an extent, it is a crap shoot. You make yourself as attractive of a candidate as you can and hope for the best. You can make yourself an attractive candidate at any dental school in the country.

While you can ask around to see how many of the people who applied were accepted into their program of choice, I don't think the answers you get will help you much. First off, anyone can apply. You may get someone throwing their hat in the ring who really has no chance and is well aware of it. We had a few people apply for ortho with pretty low board scores and as expected, they didn't get it. Secondly, very few people who match are going to tell you that they matched into a program that they didn't want or that was towards the bottom of their list.

From Buffalo, we matched 3 ortho this year. Maybe 7 applied, but, 4 of them were not in the top 15 (of 86) WITH a 90+ board score. Some were in the top 15 without the boards and vice versa. So, we matched 3 of 3 candidates that had the numbers. As far as I know, everyone who has wanted pros thus far has gotten it. Tomorrow we will know about peds and surg, we didn't have any endo or dental anesthesia applicants this year.

Last year 6 of 7 matched surgery. The applicant that didn't match, didn't match for reasons other than interviews. He went on 8+ and to great programs around the country, including Parkland. Whether he was just unlucky or didn't interview well, we will never know. I don't know the ratios of other specialties off hand.

Those are pretty good odds. Students from Buffalo, that want to specialize and perform well tend to get into the field that they want. I suspect that this is the case at every program out there. The majority of what you need to do to bolster your application is solely on the applicant (boards, EC's, etc). The only aspect of your application that is truly institution based, is competition for your class rank. What you need to decide is just how much competition you want.
 
Thanks for the info regmata. I know "how many students that apply get into the residency program of their choice" is still a relative question since there are all these other factors you mentioned to consider....but for us predents trying to decide on a school to choose, relative questions are all we can ask. (Also I disregarded the fact of people with lower scores apply to competitive residencies as I thought most dental students would be smart enough to know if they are a competitive applicant and wouldn't apply if otherwise.)

Also, I just think it would be better for people choosing schools based on implications of residency placements to ask how many students who want to pursue residency actually get in...not a general number amount of how many get into residencies...if that makes sense.
 
Since, the national dental boards will no longer be "graded", but rather are going to be pass/fail, doesn't this make it even more difficult, for specialty programs to choose candidates based on merit alone? They may end up using the school you came from and its reputation as one of the consideration factors?
 
Last year 6 of 7 matched surgery.

That's a pretty good number considering that only ~15% opt to specialize (minus GPR which is 75%).

Compare that to:
UCLA - 9 matched surgery (according to someone from the pre-dental forum)
Columbia - 9 matched surgery

Not bad at all.
 
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