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hang on will checkCan anyone help me?
Sorry this happened to you. As discussed in other threads, the failures seem at random often, so I really feel for you. If my post above is confusing, I had Dec 11th for Chicago and Dec 12th for Philly open. Call them in the morning and try to schedule.Can anyone please check the schedule for any available date in December?
This is my first failure, and it was the humanism portion. Please help and let me know of any dates in December. I'm very depressed right now.
Is this your 2nd or 3rd attempt? I would try to do that West Virginia 2 day course if all possible. Its only like $300 I think.I'm hustling the phone hard tomorrow. This is the best news that I have received for today. Thank you so much for this community.
Sorry to hear about this. I didn’t fail humanism when I took it the first time. But try to to watch the Kauffman videos for humanistic tips. I think they’re more than enough.Can everyone here give me all the "must do" points for humanism at this point? I am thinking very hard about my encounter to see what could the the missing pieces. Please advise me. Thank you everyone.
Apologize for how this is making them feel. Say That must be awful for you.Can everyone here give me all the "must do" points for humanism at this point? I am thinking very hard about my encounter to see what could the the missing pieces. Please advise me. Thank you everyone.
What do you guys said during the physical exam? I'm convinced that the reason that I fail this thing is bc I breeze through the PE exams w/o saying stuff like
"I know that this light is very bright and it can hurt your eyes. I apologize for that. Are you fine with me using it to look at your eyes."
"I'm sorry that my stethoscope is cold"
"I'm sorry that my hands are cold"
Or for abd exam, I said "flat and non distended", and then auscultate, tap, and then percussion. Instead I should have said, "permission to touch your skin?" and "it can get uncomfortable with me pushing your stomach. Please let me know if you feel uncomfortable at any point."
Do you guys do these things? I'm at the lower performance spectrum, so there are some obvious deficiencies that are messing me up.
I always drape properly for abd exam, like putting a cloth covering the pt and looking away while the pt lifts up the gown. I always tell them my plans, follow-up appointment, and ask them if they need help with notes, calling, or anything.
Otherwise, during the encounters, I do repeat important stuff that they said while I'm writing it down.
I've been checking nonstop and didn't see anything show up on the calendar they have. I left a voicemail at the number you listed.
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I did not. The lady called me back and said that she had the same view that I did. She expressed hope that someone will cancel, and me being a retaker will see spots that someone scheduling their first test may not see.Hey, did you get a spot in Dec? I really really hope so for you! Keep trying!
I did not. The lady called me back and said that she had the same view that I did. She expressed hope that someone will cancel, and me being a retaker will see spots that someone scheduling their first test may not see.
She said no new tests will be added in December.
I'll keep checking for openings.
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ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask for permission to touch a patient. Never walk into a clinical encounter (even if it's not an exam) and just start prodding at people. On an exam, that's an automatic failure and in real life, it's just bad medicine. You always ask for permission and tell the patient what you're going to do. "Is it okay if I press on your stomach? I'm just going to listen to your stomach." Also, don't memorize things to say. Don't say "sorry for the light in your eyes" if there's no light (saw a student do this). That will also cost your points. Just be a decent human being. You wouldn't put your hands on anyone before asking, would you? Treat the patient the same.
I also failed my PE exam and found out late November. It is frustrating to try to find a date in December since it is all filled. The only dates available are in January which will release results in March 3 to 13th. I failed on the data-gathering portion.
Does Failed PE exam grade get automatically updated on ERAS?
Also, can a program possibly rank people who did not pass their PE exam yet?
What do you guys said during the physical exam? I'm convinced that the reason that I fail this thing is bc I breeze through the PE exams w/o saying stuff like
"I know that this light is very bright and it can hurt your eyes. I apologize for that. Are you fine with me using it to look at your eyes."
"I'm sorry that my stethoscope is cold"
"I'm sorry that my hands are cold"
Or for abd exam, I said "flat and non distended", and then auscultate, tap, and then percussion. Instead I should have said, "permission to touch your skin?" and "it can get uncomfortable with me pushing your stomach. Please let me know if you feel uncomfortable at any point."
Do you guys do these things? I'm at the lower performance spectrum, so there are some obvious deficiencies that are messing me up.
I always drape properly for abd exam, like putting a cloth covering the pt and looking away while the pt lifts up the gown. I always tell them my plans, follow-up appointment, and ask them if they need help with notes, calling, or anything.
Otherwise, during the encounters, I do repeat important stuff that they said while I'm writing it down.
Hi Lilyhopeless,
Thank you for your support. I just talked to my school advisor today and she recommends me to not mention it unless the interviewer specifically asks about it. She also told me to bring my failed report to show that I did not fail the humanistic part, which is important for family medicine.
Among the interviews I had, only a few mentioned about why my PE grade is not back yet, but most of them did not ask about PE at all. During the interview time when I haven't got my grade back yet, I told them I took it and is waiting for the grade so they told me that they will check back on it once I get my grade back.
Yes my main goal is to reschedule the date as soon as possible. My advisor recommends December since I will get my score before March. She recommends me to still rank all the programs I interviewed just to give it a shot.
Epilepsy365, Thanks for the advice on calling. I will try to call her too and hopefully, I can get my exam scheduled in December. For the physical exam, I give the patients a heads up so there are no surprises on what I will do. As I do the physical exam, I talk along the way to help save time. Sometimes I might forget a review of system but will remember it as I do the physical exam so I will ask the patients about it too. For the humanistic portion, I think discussing your main diagnosis and your plan with the patients clearly can help a lot since I have a friend who failed humanism back in May because she did not have enough time left to talk about the plans with the patient.
Lilyhopeless, I was down for a few days and I thought really hard on exactly why I failed the PE. I read more information about exactly what data gathering means. I think the reason I failed is because I have not done enough pertinent physical exams for some of the patients. For some of the patients, the bare minimum I did the heart and lungs but I don't think that is sufficient. I think by improving that one component I should have no problem passing the exam since I used the CODIERS SMASH FM FED TACOS mnemonic for all my patients for history taking and I did not have any failure for humanism, SOAP note, and OMM.
I read through the COMBANK book by Dr. Hauffman and I think it greatly helped me to realize more on what pertinent body system I should examine so I won't fail the data-gathering portion again. I have been practicing the physical exam a lot recently to shorten my time due to the limited 14 minutes we have for the entire encounter.
My school also offered me remediation. They plan for me to see 3 standardized patients with recording hopefully next Saturday. The school said I can then meet with my D.O. family medicine professor to watch the recorded video with me to find any of my flaws, and give me any tips he might have.
I did not. The lady called me back and said that she had the same view that I did. She expressed hope that someone will cancel, and me being a retaker will see spots that someone scheduling their first test may not see.
She said no new tests will be added in December.
I'll keep checking for openings.
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I also failed my PE exam and found out late November. It is frustrating to try to find a date in December since it is all filled. The only dates available are in January which will release results in March 3 to 13th. I failed on the data-gathering portion.
Does Failed PE exam grade get automatically updated on ERAS?
Also, can a program possibly rank people who did not pass their PE exam yet?
***There are currently 2 December dates in Chicago and 1 December date in Pennsylvania!!!!***
(Sorry if you see this on a couple threads about PE failure, but trying to help people out that were looking for dates.)
i do not see it for some reason.... can you tell me what dates you are seeing? thanks!
this is the second time other individuals can see dates that I cannot. are you a third year? fourth year? Retaking?
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OMG!!! Please tell me you got a date!!!
i found out my eligibility period is wrong. Its set for 4/1/2020-10/31/2020 instead. although it let me schedule a january test date. i'll have to call them tomorrow.
Argh, this is so freaking frustrating!!! Though are you sure it is not your school? I don't remember mine ever had any eligibility date on it! Some school I heard want you to go through their remediation process first before they will let you retake the PE! Also I don't understand why your date doesn't show up, I just don't think it is related to eligibility to begin with! I still can check the date as it is and I can no longer schedule the exam.
Just a safety precaution, try to log in with 2 different browsers and hopefully one of them will show you the availability!
In any case, hustle your phone tomorrow!!! Wish you the best!
eligibity is on the main page when you login. the dates were wrong. this has eaten at me for a week. ive refreshed their website every 15 minutes for the past week. waking up at random hours of the night too. i'm kinda angry b/c of the heartache that this has put me through, given the possiblity of not being able to go through match. thanks for everyone's help!
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i do not see it for some reason.... can you tell me what dates you are seeing? thanks!
this is the second time other individuals can see dates that I cannot. are you a third year? fourth year? Retaking?
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Sorry! I’m on surgery and went to sleep right after I posted. Here are the dates I can see!
Have you at least gotten one of the posted date last night? I so hope you didEpilepsy365, Thanks for the advice on calling. I will try to call her too and hopefully, I can get my exam scheduled in December. For the physical exam, I give the patients a heads up so there are no surprises on what I will do. As I do the physical exam, I talk along the way to help save time. Sometimes I might forget a review of system but will remember it as I do the physical exam so I will ask the patients about it too. For the humanistic portion, I think discussing your main diagnosis and your plan with the patients clearly can help a lot since I have a friend who failed humanism back in May because she did not have enough time left to talk about the plans with the patient.
Lilyhopeless, I was down for a few days and I thought really hard on exactly why I failed the PE. I read more information about exactly what data gathering means. I think the reason I failed is because I have not done enough pertinent physical exams for some of the patients. For some of the patients, the bare minimum I did the heart and lungs but I don't think that is sufficient. I think by improving that one component I should have no problem passing the exam since I used the CODIERS SMASH FM FED TACOS mnemonic for all my patients for history taking and I did not have any failure for humanism, SOAP note, and OMM.
I read through the COMBANK book by Dr. Hauffman and I think it greatly helped me to realize more on what pertinent body system I should examine so I won't fail the data-gathering portion again. I have been practicing the physical exam a lot recently to shorten my time due to the limited 14 minutes we have for the entire encounter.
My school also offered me remediation. They plan for me to see 3 standardized patients with recording hopefully next Saturday. The school said I can then meet with my D.O. family medicine professor to watch the recorded video with me to find any of my flaws, and give me any tips he might have.
Apparently those dean designated dates are just suggestions and don't restrict scheduling. I was not able to get a December test date. The NBOME reps said that everybody's calendar is different, and that the system does not show test dates open for me.@SOOyC52H1Sof I'm sorry that this has just been very difficult!!! Have you at least figured out what happened to the eligibility date range?
Have you at least gotten one of the posted date last night? I so hope you did
Apparently those dean designated dates are just suggestions and don't restrict scheduling. I was not able to get a December test date. The NBOME reps said that everybody's calendar is different, and that the system does not show test dates open for me.
They said that they do have a system in place for holding test dates for retakers, and insist on there not being any open dates currently. I just don't understand why their system is not working to my benefit as someone in my shoes should qualify for those reserved seat.
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I hope you did not take anything I said a rebuke to you at all! I meant nothing such! I was only hoping to ready you for the exam that can come at any moment. With that said, your plan sounds good! The fact that your school offers you extra coaching with SP and going through recorded video is a good idea. I thought they were very helpful for me! The tuition is as pricy as it is, better take advantages of it while we still can. It is always better to have extra pairs of eyes to watch and critic us before the exam.