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Can anyone please check the schedule for any available date in December?

This is my first failure, and it was the humanism portion. Please help and let me know of any dates in December. I'm very depressed right now.
 

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Did you take the exam late?
If you do not have a passing PE score in place before programs put in their rank order lists, then you may have trouble matching.
 
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Can anyone please check the schedule for any available date in December?

This is my first failure, and it was the humanism portion. Please help and let me know of any dates in December. I'm very depressed right now.
Sorry this happened to you. As discussed in other threads, the failures seem at random often, so I really feel for you. If my post above is confusing, I had Dec 11th for Chicago and Dec 12th for Philly open. Call them in the morning and try to schedule.
 
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I'm hustling the phone hard tomorrow. This is the best news that I have received for today. Thank you so much for this community.
 

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I'm hustling the phone hard tomorrow. This is the best news that I have received for today. Thank you so much for this community.
Is this your 2nd or 3rd attempt? I would try to do that West Virginia 2 day course if all possible. Its only like $300 I think.
 
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Can everyone here give me all the "must do" points for humanism at this point? I am thinking very hard about my encounter to see what could the the missing pieces. Please advise me. Thank you everyone.
 

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Can everyone here give me all the "must do" points for humanism at this point? I am thinking very hard about my encounter to see what could the the missing pieces. Please advise me. Thank you everyone.
Sorry to hear about this. I didn’t fail humanism when I took it the first time. But try to to watch the Kauffman videos for humanistic tips. I think they’re more than enough.
 

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Can everyone here give me all the "must do" points for humanism at this point? I am thinking very hard about my encounter to see what could the the missing pieces. Please advise me. Thank you everyone.
Apologize for how this is making them feel. Say That must be awful for you.
Give them time to answer questions.
Try to anticipate questions and provide the kind of information you would want.
Always talk about followup.
 
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What do you guys said during the physical exam? I'm convinced that the reason that I fail this thing is bc I breeze through the PE exams w/o saying stuff like
"I know that this light is very bright and it can hurt your eyes. I apologize for that. Are you fine with me using it to look at your eyes."
"I'm sorry that my stethoscope is cold"
"I'm sorry that my hands are cold"
Or for abd exam, I said "flat and non distended", and then auscultate, tap, and then percussion. Instead I should have said, "permission to touch your skin?" and "it can get uncomfortable with me pushing your stomach. Please let me know if you feel uncomfortable at any point."

Do you guys do these things? I'm at the lower performance spectrum, so there are some obvious deficiencies that are messing me up.

I always drape properly for abd exam, like putting a cloth covering the pt and looking away while the pt lifts up the gown. I always tell them my plans, follow-up appointment, and ask them if they need help with notes, calling, or anything.

Otherwise, during the encounters, I do repeat important stuff that they said while I'm writing it down.
 

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What do you guys said during the physical exam? I'm convinced that the reason that I fail this thing is bc I breeze through the PE exams w/o saying stuff like
"I know that this light is very bright and it can hurt your eyes. I apologize for that. Are you fine with me using it to look at your eyes."
"I'm sorry that my stethoscope is cold"
"I'm sorry that my hands are cold"
Or for abd exam, I said "flat and non distended", and then auscultate, tap, and then percussion. Instead I should have said, "permission to touch your skin?" and "it can get uncomfortable with me pushing your stomach. Please let me know if you feel uncomfortable at any point."

Do you guys do these things? I'm at the lower performance spectrum, so there are some obvious deficiencies that are messing me up.

I always drape properly for abd exam, like putting a cloth covering the pt and looking away while the pt lifts up the gown. I always tell them my plans, follow-up appointment, and ask them if they need help with notes, calling, or anything.

Otherwise, during the encounters, I do repeat important stuff that they said while I'm writing it down.
Idk if it applies to you guys, but, for my CS i talk through the entire physical exam. Explain what I will do beforehand and ALWAYS ask for permission. I do what you mention with the abdominal exam.
 
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I failed as well. 4th here too. Been checking dates and don't see anything available.

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Can anyone still see the available dates in December? I'm refreshing my screen every 5 secs and I'm not seeing anything. I also called this morning and nobody is seeing any opening. Please help!
 

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Keep checking multiple times a day. If I recall right, the most often things would open up was Mon-Thurs 8-10am EST. People cancel and reschedule all the time, so I'd keep at it.

You should also call them, sometimes they have slots explicitly for people that failed.

Good luck, this sucks, but it's not the end of the world. I have a few friends that failed this exam and most went on do fine, eventually pass, and get into a GME program.
 

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I've been checking nonstop and didn't see anything show up on the calendar they have. I left a voicemail at the number you listed.

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Hey, did you get a spot in Dec? I really really hope so for you! Keep trying!
I did not. The lady called me back and said that she had the same view that I did. She expressed hope that someone will cancel, and me being a retaker will see spots that someone scheduling their first test may not see.

She said no new tests will be added in December.


I'll keep checking for openings.

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I did not. The lady called me back and said that she had the same view that I did. She expressed hope that someone will cancel, and me being a retaker will see spots that someone scheduling their first test may not see.

She said no new tests will be added in December.


I'll keep checking for openings.

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I wish you the best of luck! If you need help for practice or any advice, don't hesitate to post it online or just contact me directly. The PE is a stupidly vastly subjective exam that has no reason to exist or the power to derail anyone's career! Maybe I am just an unhappy, sour customer but I HATE HATE HATE it with a passion.
 

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ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask for permission to touch a patient. Never walk into a clinical encounter (even if it's not an exam) and just start prodding at people. On an exam, that's an automatic failure and in real life, it's just bad medicine. You always ask for permission and tell the patient what you're going to do. "Is it okay if I press on your stomach? I'm just going to listen to your stomach." Also, don't memorize things to say. Don't say "sorry for the light in your eyes" if there's no light (saw a student do this). That will also cost your points. Just be a decent human being. You wouldn't put your hands on anyone before asking, would you? Treat the patient the same.
 
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ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask for permission to touch a patient. Never walk into a clinical encounter (even if it's not an exam) and just start prodding at people. On an exam, that's an automatic failure and in real life, it's just bad medicine. You always ask for permission and tell the patient what you're going to do. "Is it okay if I press on your stomach? I'm just going to listen to your stomach." Also, don't memorize things to say. Don't say "sorry for the light in your eyes" if there's no light (saw a student do this). That will also cost your points. Just be a decent human being. You wouldn't put your hands on anyone before asking, would you? Treat the patient the same.
About this whole asking permission thing. In my OSCEs, I always said stuff like,

"Do you have any questions for me before we start the PE? I'm going to start the physical exam now, ok?"

"I'm looking at your eyes" (with light source) "Everything normal"
"Is it ok for me to unbutton your gown from the back? I'm going to listen to your lung" auscultate 6 back and 4 front
"I'm listening to your heart" auscultate AP "Can you lower your gown and move your breast tissue to the side and up?" auscultate TM
"I'm looking at your stomach. Flat and non distended." "I'm going to listen to your stomach." auscultate 4 quadrants. "I'm going to tap your stomach. Tap 4 quadrants. "I'm going to lightly push your stomach. Let me know if you feel any discomfort." Lightly push 4 quadrants of stomach. "I'm going to deeply push your stomach now. Please let me know of any discomfort." Deeply push 4 quadrants of stomach

Neuro exam:
"I'm going to look at your head for any trauma" Look through hairs with fingers
H test
Sensation test. I personally don't ask for permission here. Touch V1, V2, V3 dermatonies and ask "Everything normal and the same?" for each dermatome
"Smile for me. Close your eyes. Don't let me open your eyes. Open your eyes now. How many fingers I'm holding up?" "Turn your head against my hands" "Shrug your shoulders" "Open your mouth. Said ah.... Move your tongue L and R."
Doc: touch arm from top to down "Everything normal and the same?" for each dermatones
"Hold your hands out" Then check A&O Qs here
"Hold your hands out like this" "Push against my me" Check biceps, triceps, arm grips, etc...
Doc put hands on thighs "Push against me" Doc put hands on calves "Push against me" Doc put hands on ankles "step down like you're stepping on the gas pedal. Move your ankles up now."
"I'm going to check your reflex." Tap knee and achilles and babinski
Doc rub inner and outer knee areas and run down for dermatomes "Everything normal and the same?" multiple times

It takes me about 1-2 mins to run through a complete Neuro exam. However, I'm a very bit scared if I'm going this fast and getting auto fail here. If I ask for permission for every maneuver, it's going to take me forever. Please take a look and give me any feedbacks.
 
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Is it automatically assumed that you can TOUCH them besides sensitive body parts (chest area and axillary portions for ladies, and inner and outside upper thighs), when you have their permission to perform a PHYSICAL EXAM?

Please give me your thoughts about this topic. Thank you.
 
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I also failed my PE exam and found out late November. It is frustrating to try to find a date in December since it is all filled. The only dates available are in January which will release results in March 3 to 13th. I failed on the data-gathering portion.

Does Failed PE exam grade get automatically updated on ERAS?

Also, can a program possibly rank people who did not pass their PE exam yet?
 
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I also failed my PE exam and found out late November. It is frustrating to try to find a date in December since it is all filled. The only dates available are in January which will release results in March 3 to 13th. I failed on the data-gathering portion.

Does Failed PE exam grade get automatically updated on ERAS?

Also, can a program possibly rank people who did not pass their PE exam yet?
First, I am so sorry that you failed this exam. It is really unfortunate and it implies nothing at all about your skill as a doctor! For your question, the failed PE will not be automatically updated on ERAS at all. So, all the programs that have interviewed you did not know about it yet! It behooves you now to check which program will automatically disqualify you if they learned of your failed. I have heard of horror tales that sometimes the program will even withdraw their invite if they learned that you failed a board. This is the unfortunate side of having the failed result came in late. While an early failed may restrict your interview numbers, you know that whatever interviews you get, they have already seen your failed and they still want to talk with you.

From what I have read, you don't need to tell them at all if they don't. However, if they do, it always better to be honest and upfront about it.

From all the places that I have interviewed at so far with no exception, I was told by the coordinator that I need my pass before the ROL deadline. However, this is my experience with n=1. Others who will know more can probably tell better.

Regardless, your main goal, right now, is to reschedule the earliest date that you will feel comfortable passing. As well, keep refreshing the NBOME sites as you may get lucky!
 
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Hi Lilyhopeless,

Thank you for your support. I just talked to my school advisor today and she recommends me to not mention it unless the interviewer specifically asks about it. She also told me to bring my failed report to show that I did not fail the humanistic part, which is important for family medicine.

Among the interviews I had, only a few mentioned about why my PE grade is not back yet, but most of them did not ask about PE at all. During the interview time when I haven't got my grade back yet, I told them I took it and is waiting for the grade so they told me that they will check back on it once I get my grade back.

Yes my main goal is to reschedule the date as soon as possible. My advisor recommends December since I will get my score before March. She recommends me to still rank all the programs I interviewed just to give it a shot.
 
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What do you guys said during the physical exam? I'm convinced that the reason that I fail this thing is bc I breeze through the PE exams w/o saying stuff like
"I know that this light is very bright and it can hurt your eyes. I apologize for that. Are you fine with me using it to look at your eyes."
"I'm sorry that my stethoscope is cold"
"I'm sorry that my hands are cold"
Or for abd exam, I said "flat and non distended", and then auscultate, tap, and then percussion. Instead I should have said, "permission to touch your skin?" and "it can get uncomfortable with me pushing your stomach. Please let me know if you feel uncomfortable at any point."

Do you guys do these things? I'm at the lower performance spectrum, so there are some obvious deficiencies that are messing me up.

I always drape properly for abd exam, like putting a cloth covering the pt and looking away while the pt lifts up the gown. I always tell them my plans, follow-up appointment, and ask them if they need help with notes, calling, or anything.

Otherwise, during the encounters, I do repeat important stuff that they said while I'm writing it down.
COMBANK PE videos are really great for both portions of exam, but especially humanistic. He has several videos dedicated to how to pass this portion and also why most people fail. I’m really sorry you’re going through this. I hope it works out for you & wish you the best of luck on retake.
 
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Hi Lilyhopeless,

Thank you for your support. I just talked to my school advisor today and she recommends me to not mention it unless the interviewer specifically asks about it. She also told me to bring my failed report to show that I did not fail the humanistic part, which is important for family medicine.

Among the interviews I had, only a few mentioned about why my PE grade is not back yet, but most of them did not ask about PE at all. During the interview time when I haven't got my grade back yet, I told them I took it and is waiting for the grade so they told me that they will check back on it once I get my grade back.

Yes my main goal is to reschedule the date as soon as possible. My advisor recommends December since I will get my score before March. She recommends me to still rank all the programs I interviewed just to give it a shot.
Just to prep you on how they can ask the question, sometimes they can be so sneaky to ask any prior experience of failure and how you dealt with it!

I hope this won't come across as me being nosey at all but have you any plan on how to pass the retake yet? I am asking because, unfortunately with the timing the way it is, you might be required to take it with only 2 to 3 days' notice! The call may come in for a retake within 3 to 4 days and you may feel compelled to take it just to save your match list.
 
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Epilepsy365, Thanks for the advice on calling. I will try to call her too and hopefully, I can get my exam scheduled in December. For the physical exam, I give the patients a heads up so there are no surprises on what I will do. As I do the physical exam, I talk along the way to help save time. Sometimes I might forget a review of system but will remember it as I do the physical exam so I will ask the patients about it too. For the humanistic portion, I think discussing your main diagnosis and your plan with the patients clearly can help a lot since I have a friend who failed humanism back in May because she did not have enough time left to talk about the plans with the patient.

Lilyhopeless, I was down for a few days and I thought really hard on exactly why I failed the PE. I read more information about exactly what data gathering means. I think the reason I failed is because I have not done enough pertinent physical exams for some of the patients. For some of the patients, the bare minimum I did the heart and lungs but I don't think that is sufficient. I think by improving that one component I should have no problem passing the exam since I used the CODIERS SMASH FM FED TACOS mnemonic for all my patients for history taking and I did not have any failure for humanism, SOAP note, and OMM.

I read through the COMBANK book by Dr. Hauffman and I think it greatly helped me to realize more on what pertinent body system I should examine so I won't fail the data-gathering portion again. I have been practicing the physical exam a lot recently to shorten my time due to the limited 14 minutes we have for the entire encounter.

My school also offered me remediation. They plan for me to see 3 standardized patients with recording hopefully next Saturday. The school said I can then meet with my D.O. family medicine professor to watch the recorded video with me to find any of my flaws, and give me any tips he might have.
 
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Epilepsy365, Thanks for the advice on calling. I will try to call her too and hopefully, I can get my exam scheduled in December. For the physical exam, I give the patients a heads up so there are no surprises on what I will do. As I do the physical exam, I talk along the way to help save time. Sometimes I might forget a review of system but will remember it as I do the physical exam so I will ask the patients about it too. For the humanistic portion, I think discussing your main diagnosis and your plan with the patients clearly can help a lot since I have a friend who failed humanism back in May because she did not have enough time left to talk about the plans with the patient.

Lilyhopeless, I was down for a few days and I thought really hard on exactly why I failed the PE. I read more information about exactly what data gathering means. I think the reason I failed is because I have not done enough pertinent physical exams for some of the patients. For some of the patients, the bare minimum I did the heart and lungs but I don't think that is sufficient. I think by improving that one component I should have no problem passing the exam since I used the CODIERS SMASH FM FED TACOS mnemonic for all my patients for history taking and I did not have any failure for humanism, SOAP note, and OMM.

I read through the COMBANK book by Dr. Hauffman and I think it greatly helped me to realize more on what pertinent body system I should examine so I won't fail the data-gathering portion again. I have been practicing the physical exam a lot recently to shorten my time due to the limited 14 minutes we have for the entire encounter.

My school also offered me remediation. They plan for me to see 3 standardized patients with recording hopefully next Saturday. The school said I can then meet with my D.O. family medicine professor to watch the recorded video with me to find any of my flaws, and give me any tips he might have.
I hope you did not take anything I said a rebuke to you at all! I meant nothing such! I was only hoping to ready you for the exam that can come at any moment. With that said, your plan sounds good! The fact that your school offers you extra coaching with SP and going through recorded video is a good idea. I thought they were very helpful for me! The tuition is as pricy as it is, better takes advantages of it while we still can. It is always better to have extra pairs of eyes to watch and critic us before the exam.
 
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***There are currently 2 December dates in Chicago and 1 December date in Pennsylvania!!!!***

(Sorry if you see this on a couple threads about PE failure, but trying to help people out that were looking for dates.)

I did not. The lady called me back and said that she had the same view that I did. She expressed hope that someone will cancel, and me being a retaker will see spots that someone scheduling their first test may not see.

She said no new tests will be added in December.


I'll keep checking for openings.

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I also failed my PE exam and found out late November. It is frustrating to try to find a date in December since it is all filled. The only dates available are in January which will release results in March 3 to 13th. I failed on the data-gathering portion.

Does Failed PE exam grade get automatically updated on ERAS?

Also, can a program possibly rank people who did not pass their PE exam yet?
 

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***There are currently 2 December dates in Chicago and 1 December date in Pennsylvania!!!!***

(Sorry if you see this on a couple threads about PE failure, but trying to help people out that were looking for dates.)

i do not see it for some reason.... can you tell me what dates you are seeing? thanks!
this is the second time other individuals can see dates that I cannot. are you a third year? fourth year? Retaking?

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i found out my eligibility period is wrong. Its set for 4/1/2020-10/31/2020 instead. although it let me schedule a january test date. i'll have to call them tomorrow.
Argh, this is so freaking frustrating!!! Though are you sure it is not your school? I don't remember mine ever had any eligibility date on it! Some school I heard want you to go through their remediation process first before they will let you retake the PE! Also I don't understand why your date doesn't show up, I just don't think it is related to eligibility to begin with! I still can check the date as it is and I can no longer schedule the exam.

Just a safety precaution, try to log in with 2 different browsers and hopefully one of them will show you the availability!

In any case, hustle your phone tomorrow!!! Wish you the best!
 
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Argh, this is so freaking frustrating!!! Though are you sure it is not your school? I don't remember mine ever had any eligibility date on it! Some school I heard want you to go through their remediation process first before they will let you retake the PE! Also I don't understand why your date doesn't show up, I just don't think it is related to eligibility to begin with! I still can check the date as it is and I can no longer schedule the exam.

Just a safety precaution, try to log in with 2 different browsers and hopefully one of them will show you the availability!

In any case, hustle your phone tomorrow!!! Wish you the best!

eligibity is on the main page when you login. the dates were wrong. this has eaten at me for a week. ive refreshed their website every 15 minutes for the past week. waking up at random hours of the night too. i'm kinda angry b/c of the heartache that this has put me through, given the possiblity of not being able to go through match. thanks for everyone's help!


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eligibity is on the main page when you login. the dates were wrong. this has eaten at me for a week. ive refreshed their website every 15 minutes for the past week. waking up at random hours of the night too. i'm kinda angry b/c of the heartache that this has put me through, given the possiblity of not being able to go through match. thanks for everyone's help!


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Hmm that is strange and that is what I meant that I think it is the school thing and not NBOME thing! In any case, call the NBOME first thing tomorrow morning and then follow up from there!

For ref, this is what I have on my page and it has always been like that since forever:

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@SOOyC52H1Sof I'm sorry that this has just been very difficult!!! Have you at least figured out what happened to the eligibility date range?

Epilepsy365, Thanks for the advice on calling. I will try to call her too and hopefully, I can get my exam scheduled in December. For the physical exam, I give the patients a heads up so there are no surprises on what I will do. As I do the physical exam, I talk along the way to help save time. Sometimes I might forget a review of system but will remember it as I do the physical exam so I will ask the patients about it too. For the humanistic portion, I think discussing your main diagnosis and your plan with the patients clearly can help a lot since I have a friend who failed humanism back in May because she did not have enough time left to talk about the plans with the patient.

Lilyhopeless, I was down for a few days and I thought really hard on exactly why I failed the PE. I read more information about exactly what data gathering means. I think the reason I failed is because I have not done enough pertinent physical exams for some of the patients. For some of the patients, the bare minimum I did the heart and lungs but I don't think that is sufficient. I think by improving that one component I should have no problem passing the exam since I used the CODIERS SMASH FM FED TACOS mnemonic for all my patients for history taking and I did not have any failure for humanism, SOAP note, and OMM.

I read through the COMBANK book by Dr. Hauffman and I think it greatly helped me to realize more on what pertinent body system I should examine so I won't fail the data-gathering portion again. I have been practicing the physical exam a lot recently to shorten my time due to the limited 14 minutes we have for the entire encounter.

My school also offered me remediation. They plan for me to see 3 standardized patients with recording hopefully next Saturday. The school said I can then meet with my D.O. family medicine professor to watch the recorded video with me to find any of my flaws, and give me any tips he might have.
Have you at least gotten one of the posted date last night? I so hope you did
 
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@SOOyC52H1Sof I'm sorry that this has just been very difficult!!! Have you at least figured out what happened to the eligibility date range?


Have you at least gotten one of the posted date last night? I so hope you did
Apparently those dean designated dates are just suggestions and don't restrict scheduling. I was not able to get a December test date. The NBOME reps said that everybody's calendar is different, and that the system does not show test dates open for me.

They said that they do have a system in place for holding test dates for retakers, and insist on there not being any open dates currently. I just don't understand why their system is not working to my benefit as someone in my shoes should qualify for those reserved seat.

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Apparently those dean designated dates are just suggestions and don't restrict scheduling. I was not able to get a December test date. The NBOME reps said that everybody's calendar is different, and that the system does not show test dates open for me.

They said that they do have a system in place for holding test dates for retakers, and insist on there not being any open dates currently. I just don't understand why their system is not working to my benefit as someone in my shoes should qualify for those reserved seat.

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They told me the same thing. Call back multiple times and ask for last minute cancellation date availability.
 
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This test is absolutely ridiculous. One test which is subjectively scored for the most part can derail 4 years of hard work. Cannot believe this hasn't been challenged yet. If a student has been able to perform adequately and/or well during clinical rotations that should be enough. This is a test of your acting skills, not clinical skills.
Good Luck to all those retaking in December.
 
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I hope you did not take anything I said a rebuke to you at all! I meant nothing such! I was only hoping to ready you for the exam that can come at any moment. With that said, your plan sounds good! The fact that your school offers you extra coaching with SP and going through recorded video is a good idea. I thought they were very helpful for me! The tuition is as pricy as it is, better take advantages of it while we still can. It is always better to have extra pairs of eyes to watch and critic us before the exam.
Lilyhopeless, thank you for your consideration. I did not take what you said negatively. Yes, tuition is pricey so it is great that my school is offering us opportunities for improvement. Ironically, during my interviews recently, I was anxious that they will ask about my PE score. One of the programs I interviewed at for some reason had all my COMLEX score and it wrote COMLEX PE pass which I did not. I went back to NBOME website to be certain that I really did not pass it. The interview I had today didn't mention about PE exam.


SOOyC52H1Sof I am glad you got a date. I got one in December too. I am going to take a week off to just plan the trip.

jestum55, yes it is ridiculous how the test does not even give feedback on what we did wrong. It only vaguely say you did not do well on either data gathering, SOAP, OMM, or humanistic. They should release an actual rubric on exactly what they are looking for and how many points each one worth and how many points we need in each category to pass.
 

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