Commision now, or wait.....Service obligation ?

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Could use some assistance and you guys seem to know what's going on with current policy. I'm a junior working on my undergrad. My gpa is good and I'm confident I'll be able to get into med school once I'm finished. I'm also in ROTC. Prior to that I was in the Reserves and am in the process now of switching to the Guard. ROTC isn't paying anything towards my undergrad. I'm basically doing it just to get a commission. After deciding I want to attend med school after I finish my Bachelors, I'm thinking I should get out of ROTC. It takes up all my time. My question is, if I continue ROTC, commission as an MP Officer in the Guard, then attend med school and attempt to obtain Guard benefits from being a med student, won't I incur a crazy service obligation ? It will be 6 years obligation from rotc, then however many years for whatever program I can get into once I'm a med student.

Input is much appreciated.
 
Could use some assistance and you guys seem to know what's going on with current policy. I'm a junior working on my undergrad. My gpa is good and I'm confident I'll be able to get into med school once I'm finished. I'm also in ROTC. Prior to that I was in the Reserves and am in the process now of switching to the Guard. ROTC isn't paying anything towards my undergrad. I'm basically doing it just to get a commission. After deciding I want to attend med school after I finish my Bachelors, I'm thinking I should get out of ROTC. It takes up all my time. My question is, if I continue ROTC, commission as an MP Officer in the Guard, then attend med school and attempt to obtain Guard benefits from being a med student, won't I incur a crazy service obligation ? It will be 6 years obligation from rotc, then however many years for whatever program I can get into once I'm a med student.

Input is much appreciated.

This is complicated because you are mixing NG with AD and none of us really understand both. The NG programs seem to be in flux, with the one time good deal of the ASR program being (appropriately, IMHO) killed off.

In general, if you want to be a physician in the military, focus on the physician part first. I'd bail on ROTC and after a med school acceptance, consider HPSP (or USUHS up front).
 
This is complicated because you are mixing NG with AD and none of us really understand both. The NG programs seem to be in flux, with the one time good deal of the ASR program being (appropriately, IMHO) killed off.

In general, if you want to be a physician in the military, focus on the physician part first. I'd bail on ROTC and after a med school acceptance, consider HPSP (or USUHS up front).

I'm staying in the Guard after med school. My concern is if I stay in rotc and incur a 6 year Guard obligation, I believe I could request an educational delay for med school. Then once in med school and start using other Guard AMEDD benefits, I'll incur further obligations on top of my 6 years. Or will the years I owe from rotc be wiped out ? I have no issue owing service obligation for med school benefits, just don't want to unnecessarily add more time on top of that so I want to make sure I have all my facts straight before decidin to drop rotc.
 
I'm also in ROTC. Prior to that I was in the Reserves and am in the process now of switching to the Guard. ROTC isn't paying anything towards my undergrad. I'm basically doing it just to get a commission.
Are you going to have obligations to the Army in any form after undergrad? Most folks I know who did ROTC need to then apply for permission to apply to medical school and several essentially did not get it and had to go active for X number of years before getting out and apply to med school then.
After deciding I want to attend med school after I finish my Bachelors, I'm thinking I should get out of ROTC. It takes up all my time.
If you're planning mid-stream to apply to med school, it's probably wise to drop ROTC and focus on your studies to maximize grades. Free time would be better spent doing volunteer work and expanding your medical experience. Your past Army experience will make a nice bullet point on your resume; ROTC won't add much anything to that in the eyes of adcom's.
My question is, if I continue ROTC, commission as an MP Officer in the Guard, then attend med school and attempt to obtain Guard benefits from being a med student, won't I incur a crazy service obligation ? It will be 6 years obligation from rotc, then however many years for whatever program I can get into once I'm a med student.
There are a few ways for you to do this. All of this is highly dependent on your ROTC contract allowing you to transfer out of your branch of commission and being re-classed. I have NO idea how that works, and if there were any hiccups, you'd be limited to option 1a, which would suck:

1. Stay in ROTC and get commissioned as an MP (brrrr...).
a. Stay as an MP and attend med school, drilling on weekends. You'll add nothing to the 6 year ROTC obligation, but you'll likely be deployed at least once and med school will turn from 4 years into 5, 6, or 7 and you won't graduate with your class, you'll irritate the hell out of faculty, etc. Very bad idea.
b. Get reclassed as a 0067E (med student) and don't take any benefit programs. You'll only owe your 6 years from ROTC contract. You won't get any money beyond drill pay (you need to drill a minimum of once every quarter) and a $4,500 tuition assistance (plus whatever your state offers), but you'll finish out your contract while in residency without deploying.
c. Get reclassed as a 0067E (med student) and take the MDSSP. You'll get 1b., plus $2k/month but you'll owe an additional 8 years of drilling post-residency.

2. Do not take ROTC and get direct commissioned into MSC. This is paperwork, though you'd likely go to BOLC either right before med school (I don't know anyone who actually managed this) or in the summer between MS1 and MS2 (far and away the best time).
a. You're classed as a 0067E and don't take MDSSP. You're obligated to drill for 6 years (no IRR after this due to your prior service). Same as 1a in terms of perks/benefits.
b. You're reclassed as 0067E and you take MDSSP. Same as 1c for benefits.

Hope this helps. I'd drop ROTC like a hot potato if you're going to med school, especially if you're prior service. There's just not much upside and a lot of downside to it.
 
Then once in med school and start using other Guard AMEDD benefits, I'll incur further obligations on top of my 6 years. Or will the years I owe from rotc be wiped out ?
Heh, heh, no previous obligations will be wiped out. All army obligations are going to be consecutive, not concurrent. Also, for most benefit programs, you do not pay back obligation while incurring more.
 
Are you going to have obligations to the Army in any form after undergrad? Most folks I know who did ROTC need to then apply for permission to apply to medical school and several essentially did not get it and had to go active for X number of years before getting out and apply to med school then.

I owe the Army Reserves (currently switching to the guard) about 4 more years. Once I commission through rotc (if I stay) I will then owe them a total of 6 years drilling.


As a 0067E are you deployable ?
 
b. Get reclassed as a 0067E (med student) and don't take any benefit programs. You'll only owe your 6 years from ROTC contract. You won't get any money beyond drill pay (you need to drill a minimum of once every quarter) and a $4,500 tuition assistance (plus whatever your state offers), but you'll finish out your contract while in residency without deploying.
c. Get reclassed as a 0067E (med student) and take the MDSSP. You'll get 1b., plus $2k/month but you'll owe an additional 8 years of drilling post-residency.

2. Do not take ROTC and get direct commissioned into MSC. This is paperwork, though you'd likely go to BOLC either right before med school (I don't know anyone who actually managed this) or in the summer between MS1 and MS2 (far and away the best time).
a. You're classed as a 0067E and don't take MDSSP. You're obligated to drill for 6 years (no IRR after this due to your prior service). Same as 1a in terms of perks/benefits.
b. You're reclassed as 0067E and you take MDSSP. Same as 1c for benefits.

Hope this helps. I'd drop ROTC like a hot potato if you're going to med school, especially if you're prior service. There's just not much upside and a lot of downside to it.

You can direct commission into the MSC while still working on your undergrad ?
 
As a 0067E are you deployable ?
Yes, 67E is non-deployable. But you need to reclass as 67E. If you stay with a different MOS in med school, you're still deployable.
 
You can direct commission into the MSC while still working on your undergrad ?
God no. You can't commission at all usually without a BA, right? DC is once you're in med school.
 
Yes, 67E is non-deployable. But you need to reclass as 67E. If you stay with a different MOS in med school, you're still deployable.

ok. I wonder how easy it would be to reclass. I have a feeling my Guard unit wouldn't release me.
 
God no. You can't commission at all usually without a BA, right? DC is once you're in med school.

There are a few exceptions, but most (if not all) involve having a certain number of credits already and finishing the degree before a certain time frame and/or promotion to a certain rank. The only one I can think of off hand is RN's who are allowed to commission while they finish their BSN.

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