"Community" College??

[amalgamgrillz]

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[yangwang]

What exactly defines "community college"? I'm a Canadian student, and our education system is more so divided into university vs. college, not necessarily college vs. community college (so our "community colleges" are the 'non-university' institutions); although, we do have some schools with "community college" (ie. Vancouver Community College) in their name. My question is, how will adcoms know if the school I plan to attend ("Douglas College"...it's where the dumb kids go if they can't get into university and then they just transfer their credits over later) is a standard school or if it's community college? Is there a specific accreditation that a school needs to have? Or does it just need to exclude "community" from its name?

The reason why I'm asking this is because I plan to re-take organic chemistry this summer after I finish my Master's. I can either do that at a legitimate, prestigious university, the College right by my house (which would be must easier than at a university).

Community College is our College in Canada. I am from Ontario, we have University and College. University = College/University in the US, and College = Community College. For you I recommend going to something like Simon Fraser or UBC (I hear UBC's chems are not too hard).

 

[amalgamgrillz]

Community College is our College in Canada. I am from Ontario, we have University and College. University = College/University in the US, and College = Community College. For you I recommend going to something like Simon Fraser or UBC (I hear UBC's chems are not too hard).

Right, but is there an actual academic distinction of "community college" associated with every Canadian "college"? Because there are some colleges in ontario with "community" in their name (ie. Treasure Valley Community College)

 

[Maygyver]

Right, but is there an actual academic distinction of "community college" associated with every Canadian "college"? Because there are some colleges in ontario with "community" in their name (ie. Treasure Valley Community College)

It's sort of the same thing in the US too. There are some community colleges with "community college" in the name, and there are some that don't have it.

And to answer your question: I'm sure over the years they get a rough idea of "good" schools, but that's just my guess.

 

[amalgamgrillz]

It's sort of the same thing in the US too. There are some community colleges with "community college" in the name, and there are some that don't have it.

And to answer your question: I'm sure over the years they get a rough idea of "good" schools, but that's just my guess.

Thanks for your advice. But, my question is more about whether a certain college is acceptable (ie. non-community college), not necessarily "good". Any more advice?

 

[Maygyver]

Thanks for your advice. But, my question is more about whether a certain college is acceptable (ie. non-community college), not necessarily "good". Any more advice?

I'm not sure. I know in the US, we have "accredited" schools. I would give the schools you are thinking of a call and ask what they think. They will probably be able to let you know a little more about how they look at Canadian applicants. Sorry I can't really give any better advice.

 

[somedayover]

I recommend taking it from UWO. Well known school but not as difficult as other major universities (McGill, U of T, UBC, Queen's) to obtain an A. My friend from U of T failed Ochem and took it at UWO over the summer and received like 97%. Most summer courses are generally easier than regular term course so I think UWO would be your best option if you also worry about the "prestige." Places like York University or Ryerson can be a good option as well.

Hope this helps 😀

 

[amalgamgrillz]

I recommend taking it from UWO. Well known school but not as difficult as other major universities (McGill, U of T, UBC, Queen's) to obtain an A. My friend from U of T failed Ochem and took it at UWO over the summer and received like 97%. Most summer courses are generally easier than regular term course so I think UWO would be your best option if you also worry about the "prestige." Places like York University or Ryerson can be a good option as well.

Hope this helps 😀

I don't think your friend is the best source, because my friend failed ochem at UWO, and aced it at UofT. It's probably just easier the second time around/in the summer. Most people agree that organic at the Canadian Big 7s (UWO, UBC, Alberta, Queen's, McGill, UofT, McMaster) is really hard, so I'll probably stay away from them. And it's also on the other side of Canada.

I guess i'll just call Tufts to see if there is an actual requirement for "community" college

 

[Maygyver]

I don't think your friend is the best source, because my friend failed ochem at UWO, and aced it at UofT. It's probably just easier the second time around/in the summer. Most people agree that organic at the Canadian Big 7s (UWO, UBC, Alberta, Queen's, McGill, UofT, McMaster) is really hard, so I'll probably stay away from them. And it's also on the other side of Canada.

I guess i'll just call Tufts to see if there is an actual requirement for "community" college

Dental school classes are going to be really hard as well. You might as well get used to it. I wouldn't use difficulty level as a deterrent. Plus, the harder the class is, the more you study, and hopefully you will know the material better for the DAT. Just my opinion though.

 

[somedayover]

I don't think your friend is the best source, because my friend failed ochem at UWO, and aced it at UofT. It's probably just easier the second time around/in the summer. Most people agree that organic at the Canadian Big 7s (UWO, UBC, Alberta, Queen's, McGill, UofT, McMaster) is really hard, so I'll probably stay away from them. And it's also on the other side of Canada.

I guess i'll just call Tufts to see if there is an actual requirement for "community" college

It wasn't just my friend's mark that assured me, I actually looked at the actual class average that my freind show it to me.

His U of T Ochem averages (both I and II) were around high 50s to low 60s whereas his UWO class average was somewhere around low 70s if I remember correctly.

If you think those 7 big universities are hard then take it at Trinity Western or lethbridge.

 

[amalgamgrillz]

It wasn't just my friend's mark that assured me, I actually looked at the actual class average that my freind show it to me.

His U of T Ochem averages (both I and II) were around high 50s to low 60s whereas his UWO class average was somewhere around low 70s if I remember correctly.

If you think those 7 big universities are hard then take it at Trinity Western or lethbridge.

Maygyver - If others can breeze through undergrad at a state school or something, then hopefully I can get away with taking organic chem at a not-as-difficult school...so as long as it's not regarded as a community college.

Somedayover - Organic Chem I and II average at UWO last year was a 63, 65. I don't know about summer, though...but that's beside the point. I really just wanted to know if all Canadian colleges were considered community college

 

[Maygyver]

Maygyver - If others can breeze through undergrad at a state school or something, then hopefully I can get away with taking organic chem at a not-as-difficult school...so as long as it's not regarded as a community college.

Somedayover - Organic Chem I and II average at UWO last year was a 63, 65. I don't know about summer, though...but that's beside the point. I really just wanted to know if all Canadian colleges were considered community college

I wouldn't say people "breeze through" state schools. From the previous poster, it sounds like that would be regarded as a community college. Did you contact the schools?

 

[LaFleur]

I guess i'll just call Tufts to see if there is an actual requirement for "community" college

Q. I have completed some of the Tufts pre-requisite courses at a Community College. Will these credits fulfill your requirements?

A. Unfortunately, all pre-requisite coursework must be completed at an accredited 4 year college or university. Applicants who have received community college credits must either retake those courses at a four year institution or take an equal number of credits in upper level coursework in the same discipline at a four year institution.

Source: http://dental.tufts.edu/1186496760237/TUSDM-Page-dental2w_1204542009278.html#app10


The question is not whether there is a requirement, but whether Tufts will recognize that you took OChem at a community college. I think they probably have a great idea about how Canadian schools compare to US schools. I would not recommend this course of action to you. Work your butt off to get an A wherever you take Organic. You'll help yourself score better on the DAT in the process!

 

[amalgamgrillz]

Q. I have completed some of the Tufts pre-requisite courses at a Community College. Will these credits fulfill your requirements?

A. Unfortunately, all pre-requisite coursework must be completed at an accredited 4 year college or university. Applicants who have received community college credits must either retake those courses at a four year institution or take an equal number of credits in upper level coursework in the same discipline at a four year institution.

Source: http://dental.tufts.edu/1186496760237/TUSDM-Page-dental2w_1204542009278.html#app10


The question is not whether there is a requirement, but whether Tufts will recognize that you took OChem at a community college. I think they probably have a great idea about how Canadian schools compare to US schools. I would not recommend this course of action to you. Work your butt off to get an A wherever you take Organic. You'll help yourself score better on the DAT in the process!

I apologize for being unclear: I meant call Tufts to see what exactly is required for a college to be considered "community"...whether that's just including it in the name or if there is an actual requirement for a college to be considered a "community college"

 

[Maygyver]

I apologize for being unclear: I meant call Tufts to see what exactly is required for a college to be considered "community"...whether that's just including it in the name or if there is an actual requirement for a college to be considered a "community college"

Not all community colleges have community college in the name.

 

[Storku]

Do community colleges hand out 4 year BS/BA degrees? I'm a bit confused too

 

[LaFleur]

I know this may not be the most accurate, but this is what I got from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college).

"In Canada, the 150 institutions that are the rough equivalent of the US community college are usually referred to as "colleges" since in common usage a degree granting institution is almost exclusively a university."

If that is a well known fact, I would NOT go down this route OP. I am sure that dental schools get plenty of applicants from Canada and will know that you took Organic at the Canadian equivalent of a community college.

I mean come on, do you really think you can fool these people? Most of them have been working admissions for years, they know what bull**** looks like from a mile away. Personally, I wouldn't even try it.

 

[TeethRgreat]

Do community colleges hand out 4 year BS/BA degrees? I'm a bit confused too

Nope, AA degree. Bachelors degrees are from true universities.

 

[amalgamgrillz]

I know this may not be the most accurate, but this is what I got from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_college).

"In Canada, the 150 institutions that are the rough equivalent of the US community college are usually referred to as "colleges" since in common usage a degree granting institution is almost exclusively a university."

If that is a well known fact, I would NOT go down this route OP. I am sure that dental schools get plenty of applicants from Canada and will know that you took Organic at the Canadian equivalent of a community college.

I mean come on, do you really think you can fool these people? Most of them have been working admissions for years, they know what bull**** looks like from a mile away. Personally, I wouldn't even try it.

So there isn't a real institutional distinction for a "community college" in Canada? If there are specific requirements (ie. Community Colleges can't award Bachelor's degrees), then I will go to this college, because it does grant degrees.