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When you open a dental practice, would you expect any sort of competition, or is it much more laid back than restaurants/grocery stores?

I would like to know Because everywhere I turn, I see about 1-2 dental offices somewhat close together and I'm just curios to see if they need some type of complex strategy to stay in business.
I live in Cali, so I would expect to see a lot of dentists here.

thanks
 
A lot of stimulus money actually went into triangulating patients into these 1-2 dentist shopping malls. Typically if one office is doing better than the other they take them down 1984 style. Usually wednesdays they bust out the trident, brick tamland style.

Before you criticize me busting your chops, read your post again. "any sort of competition"...."is it much more laid back than restaurants/grocer stores?" ..... ask a more specific question or try to encourage some kind of discussion. Oh wait people don't actually post here.
 
california is too saturated. i saw many offices died and knew some lost their offices. how do you expect to make money when you have dentist in every block? California dentists are probably the poorest among all nation.
 
california is too saturated. i saw many offices died and knew some lost their offices. how do you expect to make money when you have dentist in every block? California dentists are probably the poorest among all nation.

No doubt about it. I started a tread about HMOs. I saw many offices are making money with this kinda of practices and I really don't have clues with HMOs. I am curious to learn about them, but it seems people are too "shy" to talk about it. If HMOs are so shady, why do HMOs exist? No lawsuits or complains from patients?
 
Each dentist needs ~750 patients to work four full days and have, on average, 1 mil dollar revenue practice. Keep that in mind when you're looking around for places. Can you capture 750 patients in the market?
 
I think this 750 estimate is way too low. Each patient would have to spend over 1000$ annually for that to work. I would say ~3K patients is a much better idea to have. Most patients on an average year may only have their one or two cleanings (~200$ max), then every 3-4 years get a filling or crown. Either way, of course there is some competition, but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. It should push a dentist to provide the best work and service possible.
 
Quite simply put, in a saturated market your going to have to work harder (often read as spend more $$ on marketing) to attract and then RETAIN the patients that you 1st get to walk through your front door and sit down in your chair and open their mouths, than you would in a less saturated market. But make no mistake about it, even in a less saturated market you're still going to have to work (read as spend $$ on advertising) to get patients into your office.

Then, the sooner that you get over the fact that not every patient will agree/like you and what you say the better off your psyche will be. Look, it's one thing to get a new patient through the door of your office and have them open their mouth and have multiple problems that have thousands of potential dollars worth of treatment attached to them, it's a completely different thing to get them comfortable with you and then accept your treatment plan. Not every patient that walks through your door the 1st time, will walk back in a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc time. There will be plenty of patients, with dental problems known to them, who are simply just shopping around for the cheapest fee, and/or to try and find a dentist who they can essentially dictate their treatment to, reguardless of if how they want it treated will actually be the best for them in the long run. And many times through simple trial and error (read as restoration failure) many of us learn that it's just simply best not to treat that tooth that really needs a crown with that mega sized amalgam simply because that's what the patient wants based on price, than it is to having to keep replacing that fractured mega amalgam because the patient is telling you to do something with a dental material that plain and simply it's not designed to do. If you've got a saturated market, that patient is gone, or your more likely to do that compromised treatment if your looking to fill empty chair space to pay for all that advertising that your doing.

Best bet is to look at an unsaturated market. And considering that that accounts for about 75-80% of the country, there's plenty of places to look!
 
Not every dentist has the same people skills, clinical skills and business skills. Some are slower than others. Some are not as friendly as other. Some charge higher fee than others. Some are not as detail oriented as others. Some do better dentistry than others. Some believe that in order attract patients, they need to spend big bucks on their offices. Some believe in keeping the overhead low.

The majority of dentist friends of mine, who graduated around the same time as I did, have done very well here in CA. They keep their overhead low. Most of their patients are low income and medicaid patients. If you do good dentistry at reasonable fee, people will keep referring friends and relatives to you. Neither my sister nor I have a good TC (treatment coordinator). We don't need to hire a TC with good sale skills. People come to see us because our fees are low and our works are good.

The dentists, who fail, either have poor clinical skills, poor people skills, or have high overhead offices in affluent areas. My friend is trying to sell his practice in Irvine (an affluent city in CA) but no one wants to buy it because the monthly rent is $7000. Fortunately, his other office is doing very well....and it is located in the low income Riverside area.
 
No doubt about it. I started a tread about HMOs. I saw many offices are making money with this kinda of practices and I really don't have clues with HMOs. I am curious to learn about them, but it seems people are too "shy" to talk about it. If HMOs are so shady, why do HMOs exist? No lawsuits or complains from patients?

The long and short of it is that HMOs encourage the least amount of ethically acceptable dentistry out there.

You're paid a capitation fee; basically what that means is that for each patient you have that's signed up for that HMO, you get paid $6-8 (on average, from what I know) every month. Even if they don't come in to see you. Nice, right? Well -- read on!

When they DO come in to see you, typical bread and butter procedures are reimbursed little to nothing. And I mean, <$20 for fillings, pitiful amounts for SRPs, etc... Larger procedures (crowns, RCTs) are reimbursed in the low hundreds.

So what does that mean for you, the dentist? You're going to end up wanting to "watch" everything until it gets large enough to need a RCT/bu/full coverage restoration. How 4 quadrants of SRPs? Doubtful. You're losing money!

Why do they exist? Well, because it's a good way for insurance companies to make money! 😉
 
Business is tough in California period! I cannot think of one business that is not dealing with heavy competition here, and that includes competition in the education and government sectors. There are many educated people here competing for the those jobs, and illegal immigrants compete heavily for the low wage jobs.
 
The long and short of it is that HMOs encourage the least amount of ethically acceptable dentistry out there.

You're paid a capitation fee; basically what that means is that for each patient you have that's signed up for that HMO, you get paid $6-8 (on average, from what I know) every month. Even if they don't come in to see you. Nice, right? Well -- read on!

When they DO come in to see you, typical bread and butter procedures are reimbursed little to nothing. And I mean, <$20 for fillings, pitiful amounts for SRPs, etc... Larger procedures (crowns, RCTs) are reimbursed in the low hundreds.

So what does that mean for you, the dentist? You're going to end up wanting to "watch" everything until it gets large enough to need a RCT/bu/full coverage restoration. How 4 quadrants of SRPs? Doubtful. You're losing money!

Why do they exist? Well, because it's a good way for insurance companies to make money! 😉

Excellent stuff..........appreciate docs who are honest and open here!:laugh:

Bottom line, if i am the HMO dentist, I do want to watch every small cavity and do SRP on all patients, and upgrade all class 2 restorations to inlays and onlays, and maybe an amalgam core build up vs a crown. I would say, if you are ETHICAL, don't take HMOs.

By the way, anyone knows how to cut corners and save money? Use cheap materials maybe? I mean, it is hard to imagine where you can squeeze any overhead out of HMO patients.

Is california Heathy Family a HMO plan or is it not? How does that compare to Dentical?
 
Quite simply put, in a saturated market your going to have to work harder (often read as spend more $$ on marketing) to attract and then RETAIN the patients that you 1st get to walk through your front door and sit down in your chair and open their mouths, than you would in a less saturated market. But make no mistake about it, even in a less saturated market you're still going to have to work (read as spend $$ on advertising) to get patients into your office.

Then, the sooner that you get over the fact that not every patient will agree/like you and what you say the better off your psyche will be. Look, it's one thing to get a new patient through the door of your office and have them open their mouth and have multiple problems that have thousands of potential dollars worth of treatment attached to them, it's a completely different thing to get them comfortable with you and then accept your treatment plan. Not every patient that walks through your door the 1st time, will walk back in a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc time. There will be plenty of patients, with dental problems known to them, who are simply just shopping around for the cheapest fee, and/or to try and find a dentist who they can essentially dictate their treatment to, reguardless of if how they want it treated will actually be the best for them in the long run. And many times through simple trial and error (read as restoration failure) many of us learn that it's just simply best not to treat that tooth that really needs a crown with that mega sized amalgam simply because that's what the patient wants based on price, than it is to having to keep replacing that fractured mega amalgam because the patient is telling you to do something with a dental material that plain and simply it's not designed to do. If you've got a saturated market, that patient is gone, or your more likely to do that compromised treatment if your looking to fill empty chair space to pay for all that advertising that your doing.

Best bet is to look at an unsaturated market. And considering that that accounts for about 75-80% of the country, there's plenty of places to look!

Its true. In los angeles, most patients do shop around for the cheapest fee and they just don't have an idea as what they are getting with that low fee crown. I guess, a big filling is the better than they walk away without anything right?

thinking about using an outsourced lab to Asia? Buy materials on eBay? trying to be creative here.....
 
Its true. In los angeles, most patients do shop around for the cheapest fee and they just don't have an idea as what they are getting with that low fee crown. I guess, a big filling is the better than they walk away without anything right?

thinking about using an outsourced lab to Asia? Buy materials on eBay? trying to be creative here.....

Business in So Cal is becoming a RACE TO THE BOTTOM!!!
 
Its true. In los angeles, most patients do shop around for the cheapest fee and they just don't have an idea as what they are getting with that low fee crown. I guess, a big filling is the better than they walk away without anything right?
What bothers me the most is when people often equate low fee with poor quality or substandard of care.

Cheap crown doesn't mean substandard quality. Good quality crown depends on the skills of the dentist who cut the prep, the dentist's clinical judgement, the way the dentist takes the impression, and the lab technician who makes the crown. If the dentist fails to cut a good prep (ie over or under reduction), the patient can get poor quality crown even if that crown is made at the most expensive lab in the country.

Some dentists are willing to accept lower profit margin than others. I've noticed that many Asian dentists (especially the ones who are from the low income immigrant families) are willing to work hard for less profit. A friend of mine told me that on some slow days he did simple RCT (on a premolar/incisors) for $200. He said that it's still better than sitting around doing nothing. A couple of years back, he told me his plan was to become 100% debt free before his 40th birthday. Because of his hard work, he fulfilled his wish. He is only 42 years old. My plan is to be like him before my 45th birthday.

thinking about using an outsourced lab to Asia? Buy materials on eBay? trying to be creative here.....
Why not? I find nothing wrong with buying supplies on ebay as long as they are not things that are permanently placed inside pt's mouth. I buy handpieces, explorers, curing light, ortho pliers, mixing pads etc on Ebay for a fraction of the cost and the shipping is free.
 
There should be roughly 300 patients for each doctor work day in the practice, and this implies that there should be approximately 1500 active patients to accommodate an average, full time dentist. Of course, dentists' clinical and presentation skills may vary. A more accurate measure is determining the number of active patients a dentist can handle before production begins to drop (or case acceptance rate decreases).
 
I read an interesting article that stated that 750 active patients / dentist for a 4 day a week schedule was an maximum for revenue. Any more and treatment plans suffered and any less and there was un-utilized time.

I cannot find the article. It was some sort of dental consulting / practice selling/buying facilitating firm.


There should be roughly 300 patients for each doctor work day in the practice, and this implies that there should be approximately 1500 active patients to accommodate an average, full time dentist. Of course, dentists' clinical and presentation skills may vary. A more accurate measure is determining the number of active patients a dentist can handle before production begins to drop (or case acceptance rate decreases).
 
I read an interesting article that stated that 750 active patients / dentist for a 4 day a week schedule was an maximum for revenue. Any more and treatment plans suffered and any less and there was un-utilized time.

I cannot find the article. It was some sort of dental consulting / practice selling/buying facilitating firm.

You totally need to factor in the age of the patients too. Plain and simple, atleast in my practice, when a patient is in for a recall (hygiene) exam, the number of patients that I need to have come back to do some work on is far greater for adults than it is for kids (probably a solid 2:1 ratio atleast). If you've got a practice breakdown that is full of families with kids, you're going to need a larger number of patients based on my own experience to keep YOUR chairs filled
 
I read an interesting article that stated that 750 active patients / dentist for a 4 day a week schedule was an maximum for revenue. Any more and treatment plans suffered and any less and there was un-utilized time.

I cannot find the article. It was some sort of dental consulting / practice selling/buying facilitating firm.

750 active patients would be ideal for a full time dentist that saw all of their patients once a year, or a dentist saw all of their patients twice a year working two and a half days a week. 750 is far too low to accommodate a full time dentist that saw all of their patients once every twenty-four weeks (which is the norm). If a dentist saw all of their patients once every twenty-four weeks than on 750 active patients that would translate to roughly 31 patients a week. On a five day work week that means a general dentist would only see about six patients a day!
 
The majority of dentist friends of mine, who graduated around the same time as I did, have done very well here in CA. They keep their overhead low. Most of their patients are low income and medicaid patients. If you do good dentistry at reasonable fee, people will keep referring friends and relatives to you. Neither my sister nor I have a good TC (treatment coordinator). We don't need to hire a TC with good sale skills. People come to see us because our fees are low and our works are good.

This is the biggest factor these days if you want to make any money in dentistry. Your fees need to be reasonable or below the average. Most people are so strapped for cash these days and insurances dont cover a lot, so there treatment acceptance is based on there pocket book which correlates to your fees. So many people think that because you tell the patient this is what they need or this is the best that they will just wright a check. The office I work at our fees are 30-50% less than anyone around us, we are crazy busy and the other offices are dismal, we still make good money because we keep our overhead low and dont have to do a lot of marketing as everyone knows that we are the cheapest in the area.
So many of my class mates thought they would be slamming implants in every patient missing a tooth, doing veneers and crowning everything bigger than a three surface filling. Get good at doing large multiple surface fillings/buildups, RPDS and extractions (nothing wrong with shucking a tooth if pt doesn't want to invest time and money in saving it) because insurances usually pay for them and patients would rather have a 4 surface amalgam/composite crown then have to pay a large copay for a crown even though you have explained that the filling will fail and that the crown is superior long term. Times are tuff for everyone these days and you need to adjust accordingly.
 
This is the biggest factor these days if you want to make any money in dentistry. Your fees need to be reasonable or below the average. Most people are so strapped for cash these days and insurances dont cover a lot, so there treatment acceptance is based on there pocket book which correlates to your fees. So many people think that because you tell the patient this is what they need or this is the best that they will just wright a check. The office I work at our fees are 30-50% less than anyone around us, we are crazy busy and the other offices are dismal, we still make good money because we keep our overhead low and dont have to do a lot of marketing as everyone knows that we are the cheapest in the area.
So many of my class mates thought they would be slamming implants in every patient missing a tooth, doing veneers and crowning everything bigger than a three surface filling. Get good at doing large multiple surface fillings/buildups, RPDS and extractions (nothing wrong with shucking a tooth if pt doesn't want to invest time and money in saving it) because insurances usually pay for them and patients would rather have a 4 surface amalgam/composite crown then have to pay a large copay for a crown even though you have explained that the filling will fail and that the crown is superior long term. Times are tuff for everyone these days and you need to adjust accordingly.

Plain and simple, just explain the findings that are in the patients mouth to them in a clear way that they can understand and then convey back to you that they understand (and "yup, I follow you Doc" isn't the answer I'd be looking for 😉 ) and then explain the treatment options and their pro's and con's and costs and benefits with each, and let the patient decide.

Lastly, DON'T get offended if the patient then chooses what you'd consider a less than ideal way. But also do be aware that there are just some times when that crown IS going to be the only treatment predictable treatment options (i.e. that molar that just had endo and the patient is a heavy bruxer) vs. where it could be optional (that molar that has had an MOD amalgam in it for 25 years and the patient fractured off the ML cusp where the lingual fracture line is supragingival (i.e. a crown would be great, but that 4 surface amalgam or composite while not ideal, will likely work for a decent amount of time if you place it properly). Most patients if you explain their diagnosis and treatment options (inlcuding payment options with each treatment option), I tend to find will go with what you'd consider "ideal" treatment. Some won't for various reasons. If you choose to treat them (and you don't have to), just let them know and document it in the chart.
 
This is the biggest factor these days if you want to make any money in dentistry. Your fees need to be reasonable or below the average. Most people are so strapped for cash these days and insurances dont cover a lot, so there treatment acceptance is based on there pocket book which correlates to your fees. So many people think that because you tell the patient this is what they need or this is the best that they will just wright a check. The office I work at our fees are 30-50% less than anyone around us, we are crazy busy and the other offices are dismal, we still make good money because we keep our overhead low and dont have to do a lot of marketing as everyone knows that we are the cheapest in the area.
So many of my class mates thought they would be slamming implants in every patient missing a tooth, doing veneers and crowning everything bigger than a three surface filling. Get good at doing large multiple surface fillings/buildups, RPDS and extractions (nothing wrong with shucking a tooth if pt doesn't want to invest time and money in saving it) because insurances usually pay for them and patients would rather have a 4 surface amalgam/composite crown then have to pay a large copay for a crown even though you have explained that the filling will fail and that the crown is superior long term. Times are tuff for everyone these days and you need to adjust accordingly.

Do you think running the fees to the ground will still work when mid-levels enter the field? I mean, I feel like a chain opening an office filled with mid-levels near that location would just mop the floor with anyone using this tactic.

Actually, I feel like a chain filled with full dentists would already dominate vs an office running this play. It's just a matter of them deciding to enter your market, right?

Sry. Just that this kind of talk makes me nervous...
 
Plain and simple, just explain the findings that are in the patients mouth to them in a clear way that they can understand and then convey back to you that they understand (and "yup, I follow you Doc" isn't the answer I'd be looking for 😉 ) and then explain the treatment options and their pro's and con's and costs and benefits with each, and let the patient decide.

Lastly, DON'T get offended if the patient then chooses what you'd consider a less than ideal way. But also do be aware that there are just some times when that crown IS going to be the only treatment predictable treatment options (i.e. that molar that just had endo and the patient is a heavy bruxer) vs. where it could be optional (that molar that has had an MOD amalgam in it for 25 years and the patient fractured off the ML cusp where the lingual fracture line is supragingival (i.e. a crown would be great, but that 4 surface amalgam or composite while not ideal, will likely work for a decent amount of time if you place it properly). Most patients if you explain their diagnosis and treatment options (inlcuding payment options with each treatment option), I tend to find will go with what you'd consider "ideal" treatment. Some won't for various reasons. If you choose to treat them (and you don't have to), just let them know and document it in the chart.

👍👍👍 Dr. Jeff, may I ask what your case acceptance rate is?
 
Do you think running the fees to the ground will still work when mid-levels enter the field? I mean, I feel like a chain opening an office filled with mid-levels near that location would just mop the floor with anyone using this tactic.

Actually, I feel like a chain filled with full dentists would already dominate vs an office running this play. It's just a matter of them deciding to enter your market, right?

Sry. Just that this kind of talk makes me nervous...
Right now, the dentists who work at the chain in CA get paid like the mid-level people. The chains no longer pay their associate dentists the guaranteed per diem rate but instead they pay their dentists the percentage of the production (usually around 20-25%). To earn $500 day, one has to produce $2000+ a day, which is not easy for an HMO office.

This is why I think every dentist should open his/her own office. When you are your own boss, you don’t have to work 8-9 hour straight like the dentists who work at the chain. You don’t have to deal with the HMO BS. If you know how to control your overhead, you can easily take home 40-50% of what you produce at your private practice. My sister (a GP) takes home more than 70-80% because she gets the additional revenue from the in-house perio (my wife) and ortho (me).

It doesn’t cost much to set up your own office. An associate dentist, who used to work at the same dental chain with me, purchased a 3-op dental office (leasehold improvements only) for only $25k. Daurang spent $80k for his. My sister spent $100k for hers. I spent $120k for mine.

Save your money by going to the cheapest dental school now and move back to live with your parents once you graduate from dental school.
 
👍👍👍 Dr. Jeff, may I ask what your case acceptance rate is?

While I don't keep exact stats between by proposed "ideal" treatment plans and patient acceptance of my "ideal" treatment plans, I'd say off the top of my head that it's in the 75-80% range. Granted, some of these "ideal" treatment plans may end up taking YEARS to finish (if say multiple endo's and crowns are recomended), but then again in my book, doing a crown a year for 5 years on that bruxer who has 5 molars with fractured cusps and existing large class II restorations in them is better in my book than proposing 5 crowns at once, and then saying that that is the ONLY way to treat that case, and then having them walk out the door after I present my proposed treatment plan to them never to have them walk back through the front door of my office again. In a case like that what I'd likely do is explain to them, why a crown is longterm the better restoration than than 4 surface filling, then also tell them that I am well aware that the costs associated with 5 crowns is for most people a very significant amount to their routine household cashflow, and then propose that quickly, I place some composite fillings in the fractured areas to cover and protect the exposed tooth surface, and then at a rate of 1 or 2 crowns per year, tackle each of those teeth that need crowns, giving them credit for the cost of the filling towards the crown on that tooth when I finally get around to doing it - works quite well that way for me with overall case acceptance of larger cases involving multiple teeth where realistically I can complete the case successfully on a tooth by tooth basis
 
Thanks for the great insight Dr Jeff. Would you agree with me then that if one dentist attempts to see too many patients comprehensive treatment gets put off and production decreases (my dentist actually tries to see around 6000 active patients and whenever I go for a checkup he appears to be running around his office). A friend of mine went for a checkup last month and was told he needed braces, multiple fillings, and laser treatment for his gums. Diagnosis and treatment options were not presented at all; he only accepted the fillings (he is on Medicaid). Large practices have the potential to produce large profits... If managed correctly.
 
Thanks for the great insight Dr Jeff. Would you agree with me then that if one dentist attempts to see too many patients comprehensive treatment gets put off and production decreases (my dentist actually tries to see around 6000 active patients and whenever I go for a checkup he appears to be running around his office). A friend of mine went for a checkup last month and was told he needed braces, multiple fillings, and laser treatment for his gums. Diagnosis and treatment options were not presented at all; he only accepted the fillings (he is on Medicaid). Large practices have the potential to produce large profits... If managed correctly.

I think that it's doable to have a very large number of patients and be quite profitable, and NOT have it seem like one is just running around all day trying to play "catch up" IF YOU HAVE CONTROL OF YOUR SCHEDULE!!
Plain and simple, not every patient you see in your practice, be them a brand new patient or a 20+ year patient of yours, is going to need some work, let alone some "big ticket" work (endo/crown/implant/etc) no mater what any practice consultant or online dental personality tells you, that's just not the "real world" (or atleast the real world that i've seen in my 13+yrs of private practice).

So the reality then becomes, and I think that most active GP's will tell you that they'll always want a few more patients coming through the office on a daily basis (via either hygiene vists or vists with the dentist themselves) than a few less, since the more mouths that walk through the front door every day, the more chances are for production. The key though for me atleast is to take control of my schedule, even before a single patient is in the schedule!! What I mean by that is by having both a staff who handles my scheduling (and in my office tat can be done by my front desk staff, my assistants and my hygienists) aware of MY scheduling goals for my day, and that includes a production goal, some set time for larger procedures, a certain maximum number of pedo patients per day (usually a mentally draining patient visit for me), a certain maximum number of "non billing" procedures per day (cement crown visits, denture adjustments, etc), some time to put a few emergency patients in the schedule when and if they call that day, and also awareness of certain other things such as if my business partner may be out that day, thus giving me extra hygiene checks per hour, if the lab tech that I use for my crown and bridge work is coming for a chairside custom stain of a crown, etc. The more I actively take control of my schedule, the more patients that I can see in an efficient and profitable and mentally sane way.

This may mean that some of my patients who I see on a hygiene check and need some simple filling work on non symptomatic teeth might be scheduled 6 to 8 weeks out to accomodate my scheduling template, but it lets me function efficiently!

When my schedule is working as I planned it to, my days while from just lookng at the schedule on the computer monitors in my office would seem to be super crazy, it actually flows for me very easy. Simple things like being aware of when my hygienists are more than likely going to be coming to find me for a hygiene check and have myself aware of that so I know that say at :45 after the hour I'm going to be needing to get up from my chair and check the hygenists, so that's also a good time to say have my next patient scheduled to arrive so I can have one of my assistants get them seated so that while I'm up checking hygiene, I can get that next patient numb, then go back to my 1st patient and finish up on them (after having giving them a few mintes to close and rest their mouth after having asked thm to keep it open for the previous 30 minutes or so). I finish up my 1s patient, and then my 2nd patient is numb and ready to go, and more than likely I then have a 35-40 minute window where I'm going to have limited and/or no interruptions from my hygienists for checks. When it goes as planned, its great! When it gets out of sync, such as when a bunch of "quick" hygiene patients are in the schedule (kids, adults with less than 12 teeth, etc) or if a patient shows up late and/or that unexpected patient who takes a while to get numb,etc then my schedule can get very "choppy" and inefficient where it can seem like every 5 minutes or so I'm getting called to get up and check a hygiene patient, so my hygienists can get their next patient in, but at the same time taking away from my time to work on my patients 😱 As much as one tries to plan for a smooth day and forsee as many possible problems ahead of time and take steps to alieviate them, sometimes things just happen and my schedule goes from"smooth on the screen" to chaos in the office. Some docs, because of lack of control over ther schedle have "chaos in the office" every day, andon the outside seem like they're running around with their heads cut off all day every day - and that can hapen reguardles of how many or how few patients the practice has.

For me it was, and still is, a trial and error process about how to manage my schedule. For me atleast I'd much rather day in and day out be trying to figure out and adapt my schedule to fit in more patients than less, since I make my $$ when i'm sitting in my chair with my foot on the reostat and a bur spinning away, not when i'm sitting at my desk in my office. And the more patients that I see, the better the chances are that for more of my day the bur is spinning rather than not spinning!
 
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