Competition in Medical School

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Is it me or is medical school just as competitive as undergrad? Granted, people do share notes, stratagies etc. but the competition is still there. Everyone says that its not competitive but I beg to disagree. Any thoughts on this.
 
Is it me or is medical school just as competitive as undergrad? Granted, people do share notes, stratagies etc. but the competition is still there. Everyone says that its not competitive but I beg to disagree. Any thoughts on this.

What did you expect? Med school is filled with successful premeds, we're not going to change our tune simply because we got in. There's always residency to fight over. 😛
 
Here where I go, we are for the most part NOT competitive at all really. Of course, I don't go to an uber-prestigious school, so maybe the competition freaks self-select and go elsewhere. In fact, as an example of how super helpful people are, one of the students found a great review spreadsheet made by a student in a previous class explaining some genetics stuff, made copies, and shared with the rest of us. Don't see that happening in undergrad!

(Oh, I am at Loyola btw.)
 
Here where I go, we are for the most part NOT competitive at all really. Of course, I don't go to an uber-prestigious school, so maybe the competition freaks self-select and go elsewhere. In fact, as an example of how super helpful people are, one of the students found a great review spreadsheet made by a student in a previous class explaining some genetics stuff, made copies, and shared with the rest of us. Don't see that happening in undergrad!

(Oh, I am at Loyola btw.)

Kids can be competitive and nice too, the two are not mutually exclusive. 🙂

Back in college, there was a lot of premeds and everyone was nice to everyone else but that didn't stop people from trying their hardest to get into the best medical school. Ditto at my current med school. The second years made great spreadsheets for the first years for anatomy (the girl may have gotten paid for it too but 2nd years suggested it), however, that doesn't mean people aren't aiming for honors as well. 🙂
 
i dont know if any other school curves their grades, but our school does not. for the most part, this eliminates competition, and everyone helps each other out as much as possible.
 
everyone competes in the sense that there is a curve for medical school grades. until medschool is made pass/fail all the way thru (another issue completely), there will be competition for grades. but this is only a problem if 1) you absolutely HAVE to be the top of your class or 2) you are unwilling to admit that some people are smarter and/or study harder than you and therefor achieve better grades. could i achieve better grades in school? probably. would i feel i had more worth or would i be happier? nope. competition isn't necessarily bad, it is just a fact of life. i think the key, as my fellow loyola student mentioned, is that even when competition is present that it is in an atmosphere of teamwork and group-learning. these people you are competing with today are the same people you will be working with in the years to come. its in all of our best interests to have each of our classmates become the best physicians possible, regardless of if that impacts your honors status or not. just my $0.02
 
I agree, there is healthy competition. But there are some people, and I bet they will be at the top of the class, that like to show everyone else how much they know. I don't have a problem with people fighting to be at the top of the class but why not be satisfied with being there and not try to show everyone else that you're smart.
 
i dont know if any other school curves their grades, but our school does not. for the most part, this eliminates competition, and everyone helps each other out as much as possible.

That's a nice theory, but if there is any form of ranking, honors, AOA, differentiation of grades beyond P/F, or other laurels of success someone is going for them.
 
That's a nice theory, but if there is any form of ranking, honors, AOA, differentiation of grades beyond P/F, or other laurels of success someone is going for them.

I definitely think curving makes a difference . . . in undergrad all my sci classes were curved and some people actually tried to sabotage their fellow student's knowledge to push themselves up on the curve. Without a curve, even in recieving full A-F type grades, it doesn't matter how well or poorly everyone else did, my grade rests entirely on my performance. In undergrad I once had an ochem grade curved down because the class did too well on the final, that wouldn't happen in medschool. So even if I am gunning for a top grade in a class, I still help all my classmates because how well they do doesn't harm me in the end. Of course we're still trying to be the best, were recovering pre-meds, but it is no longer necessary to step on others to accomplish that.
 
Is it me or is medical school just as competitive as undergrad? Granted, people do share notes, stratagies etc. but the competition is still there. Everyone says that its not competitive but I beg to disagree. Any thoughts on this.


The person that you are in competition with most often is yourself. With every exam, you want to do your best and do better. Sometimes, it works out and sometimes you make stupid mistakes or it's just a bad day.

You will be ranked in some manner be it by USMLE/COMLEX scores, exam results etc. Again, you want the highest ranking that you can achieve. For some folks, this will be at the top of the class, for others, it will be lower. The important point to remember is that if you pass, you will become a physician and that often the point difference between first and last in the class will be less than 10 points. In general, the folks that fail a test or fail a class usually do so by one or two points. This is far different from most undergraduate experiences.

It is always in your best interest to help your classmates as much as possible. This helps with class cohesion and it helps you review the material. At some point, you are going to need help yourself which may be someone to cover for you while you run a needed errand third year or notes etc for something that you missed. If you are the consummate professional, you help your colleagues because one day, you may have to refer your patients to them and you want the best care for your patients.

If you are truly the number one person in your class, you have nothing to fear from those around you or behind you. This is why the "gunner" generally winds up being the "horse's rear-end" most of the time because the "gunner" is insecure and needs to put down others to compensate for things that they lack on a social level. If your ego is so dependent upon how you perform on a test or answering questions in class, that doesn't seem like a healthy ego.

Competition is present and it need not be a negative situation. Challenges are good and can often spur one to higher achievement. My gross anatomy tanks mates were always competing among ourselves to get the highest score on a lab practical. It was all good natured and we all helped each other learn the material. It was generally like a "pick-up game of shooting the hoops". On some days, you can't miss and on others you get a workout but that's fun too.

Most of the time, most students in medical school are too busy trying to get the material mastered to "play competition games". Again, you have to keep your own house in order before worrying about what other folks are doing. Anything that anyone can do that keeps the class cohesive and cooperative is going to contribute positively to your medical school experience but ultimately, your performance is dependent on you and your work ethic whether the school atmosphere is competitive or cooperative.
 
I'm not out to "get" anybody, but I'd like to be in the top half of the class at least, so that means I'm going to try to do better than half the class, so it is some competition. Helps keep you sharp. If we all were lax, we'd never learn anything.
 
I definitely think curving makes a difference . . . in undergrad all my sci classes were curved and some people actually tried to sabotage their fellow student's knowledge to push themselves up on the curve. Without a curve, even in recieving full A-F type grades, it doesn't matter how well or poorly everyone else did, my grade rests entirely on my performance. In undergrad I once had an ochem grade curved down because the class did too well on the final, that wouldn't happen in medschool. So even if I am gunning for a top grade in a class, I still help all my classmates because how well they do doesn't harm me in the end. Of course we're still trying to be the best, were recovering pre-meds, but it is no longer necessary to step on others to accomplish that.

If that were true, true gunners wouldn't ever exist in schools without curves. They do. The fact that schools give out honors and rank students fosters competition. And some people get ugly when they are in competition with others.
 
We share notes, help each others, and we get along very good.
We are together on six years and it makes us like one big family. We spend time together on freetime and we go to bars and nightclubs together and other activities. But we also want sometimes free time from each others.
 
I absolutely hate my school admin in that they remind us from time to time that there's such a thing as class ranking from number one to the very last, so surely, competition here is horrendous as no one wants to be the last. We quite often see the nasty side of humans when they all try to be at the top.
 
why not be satisfied with being there and not try to show everyone else that you're smart.

This brings up another thing which I hate about my school. We get grades (10% of the year) for doing just that! Our tutors would give us marks based on how we perform in PBL sessions: how much we know, how much we study, etc. If I can choose again, I'll choose a different school. 😡
 
I think saying someone is "competing with me" can be another way of saying "I'm not working as hard as them."

Especially during third year, students that are dedicated, read, advocate etc tend to get sh** on behind theirs backs by their fellow classmates as "gunners."

It's kind of strange that there is this reverse psychology in med school about not working too hard ("he really needs to chill!" "she's at school all the time!"), and yet supposedly we all want to master a field with a virtually infinite knowledge base...
 
So your attempt to be the best one of your class is that thing what "keeps you going". What is the "prize" you get if you graduated no:1 of your class? Do you get residency easier, better workplace and salary? Or what? Or is it just for earning respect?
 
Especially during third year, students that are dedicated, read, advocate etc tend to get sh** on behind theirs backs by their fellow classmates as "gunners."

It's kind of strange that there is this reverse psychology in med school about not working too hard ("he really needs to chill!" "she's at school all the time!"), and yet supposedly we all want to master a field with a virtually infinite knowledge base...

There is a fine line between working hard, and being a gunner. You work hard, you know the answers to questions when asked. You're a gunner, you answer questions when other people are asked.

You work hard, you offer to do extra work that isn't being done. You're a gunner, you take over for other people when they are doing something. Or take their procedures.

You work hard, generally you try and help people behind the scenes (although some don't want to hear it). You're a gunner, you lie to people or give them bad advice.

I've seen gunners tell attendings that other people just went home, when really they went to study instead of sitting behind the desk, and told the student that they were going to study.
 
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