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Wondering: Once you get into the DPT program are your peers competitve or more team supportive? I would think that since it comes down to passing the boards - that is what makes or breaks the PT. I hear stories about other grad progams being mean spirited, back stabbing, sabotaging others, class ranking, vying for instructor favors (med / law school).
Any comments Please.
 
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A PT I once shadowed said that you want to go into a program where it's not competitive to get into in the first place (i.e. USC or something) because apparently those people will back stab you (this is just his opinion btw). So I think if you are accepted into a program where people are on the same level as you, it's probably better. Again, this is just what he told me and I think it's very good advice. Then again, he went to PT school in the late 90s so who knows! Take it with a grain of salt.
 
Wondering: Once you get into the DPT program are your peers competitve or more team supportive? I would think that since it comes down to passing the boards - that is what makes or breaks the PT. I hear stories about other grad progams being mean spirited, back stabbing, sabotaging others, class ranking, vying for instructor favors (med / law school).
Any comments Please.

During my inpatient observation hours, one of the DPTs I shadowed said that the PT school he went to (Western) was team-oriented. He said it's not like med school, where the competition continues even after you've gotten in.
 
My classmates and I are not competitive at all (at least not yet). We were given a "no competition" speech the first day of classes, but honestly I think they hold high standards and pick people who they know will be team players. Someone is always willing to lend a hand if you are having a difficulty of any kind, so I really like it thus far.
 
Team-oriented instead of highly competitive. Although, there is a small amount of healthy competition going on, the whole class is very supportive of each other, ready to help when it is needed.
 
Northwestern isn't competitive at all. Our classmates would email out study guides to each other, were always willing to help, etc. There were no rankings, and you weren't penalized if you weren't getting the highest GPA (as long as you weren't falling below academic probation levels/failing a class). That's one of the reasons I decided on NU over some others when I applied.
 
I don't think competition is always a bad thing. Cutthroat behavior when you're just trying to get acclimated is certainly not OK, but the drive to be the best clinician you can be should framed by what your classmates are doing; doing better than those around you is how you stand out. And standing out is how you distinguish yourself when applying for post-graduate opportunities (residencies, fellowships, leadership positions). Striving to be the best (but not at the expense of those around you) is essential after graduation; why not start in grad school?

While no one would claim that the med school model is ideal, it really bothers me to see a lack of drive to be the best and a satisfaction with not having fallen below the minimum requirements. Granted, PT school will be very stressful and many times the minimum will be a blessing, but whenever possible strive for more.
 
While no one would claim that the med school model is ideal, it really bothers me to see a lack of drive to be the best and a satisfaction with not having fallen below the minimum requirements. Granted, PT school will be very stressful and many times the minimum will be a blessing, but whenever possible strive for more.

Nailey13, I definitely agree that we should all strive for more when possible. However, I understood the OP's question to be geared more toward gauging how well DPT classes meshed, and not a sign of lack of drive.

Some schools (undergraduate and graduate) have fierce competition between students for their place in the class Bell curve. You don't necessarily earn grades, you're instead given values in relation to others. There are numerous drawbacks to this approach. The OP is trying to avoid these types of situations.

This isn't a zero sum game. As you stated, striving to better ourselves does not come at the expense of the improvement of others. It sounds like you plan on driving yourself forward by using others as a benchmark. But don't let it alarm you that others have different motivations for improving their clinical skills -- namely improving care for our patients. We should get over this American crush-skulls-to-gain-influence-and-make-money attitude. Seeking out ubercompetitive learning environments will not necessarily make you a great PT, nor does seeking a more collaborative environment indicate a desire for minimal effort. Different strokes for different folks. Good luck!
 
Nailey13, I definitely agree that we should all strive for more when possible. However, I understood the OP's question to be geared more toward gauging how well DPT classes meshed, and not a sign of lack of drive.

Some schools (undergraduate and graduate) have fierce competition between students for their place in the class Bell curve. You don't necessarily earn grades, you're instead given values in relation to others. There are numerous drawbacks to this approach. The OP is trying to avoid these types of situations.

This isn't a zero sum game. As you stated, striving to better ourselves does not come at the expense of the improvement of others. It sounds like you plan on driving yourself forward by using others as a benchmark. But don't let it alarm you that others have different motivations for improving their clinical skills -- namely improving care for our patients. We should get over this American crush-skulls-to-gain-influence-and-make-money attitude. Seeking out ubercompetitive learning environments will not necessarily make you a great PT, nor does seeking a more collaborative environment indicate a desire for minimal effort. Different strokes for different folks. Good luck!

Thank you for this response! It was well reasoned, held me to task and made excellent points. While is true that I am often motivated by the desire to be the best, my source of undying energy comes from knowing that I can be the best possible resource for my patients in their time of need; I use my competitive nature to move me toward my end goal - patient care. It is a dangerous game, though, and often competition can obscure and even begin to replace everything else. Thank you for reminding me of that.

In reference to the OP's original question, are there even DPT programs that have the competitive model that you describe (i.e. your position with respect to your peers is what determines your grade)? If so, that really doesn't sound like a good idea.
 
Thanks guys.......I was trying to determine if PT is the cut throat environ. Glad it is not. I always strive for my personal best and then some. Kinda hate when I recognized that I didn't. Discovered that one many years ago. We all have our own strengths and weaknesses, and appreciate helping others whenever I am able, and learning to overcome my own weaknesses or see another side to a situation. I would not be able to work w/ a kind of person that has some personal agenda. Of course we all want what is best for the patients and personal agendas don't get that done. When doing observations I noticed many hands involved w/ one patient - in a hospital setting -- and was amazed at how the wheels turn.
What I have gotten mostly from this forum is the support you all have shown in sharing info and encouragement given to others. I am excited to start PT program and be a part of such great teams that are represented here. Looking forward to the leaning experiences, hard work and personal growth. Hope we never stop striving to be our best!

It does look like the programs are trying to build diverse learning environments where peers can build off each others' strengths, learn to work with each others' differences and allow us to solve many of our own issues in that process. Like Goyo noted "healthy competiton" exists and I believe is fun when pitting one team activity against another for projects, etc. Could be a great stress relief.

Great thoughts......didn't find this in any of our other threads.
 
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I imagine that this is all program contingent. I have "heard" stories of some of the programs I applied to being very competitive amongst classmates. Frankly for the first 21-24 yrs of a student's life you are typically conditioned to be "better" than the rest as it relates to grades. Especially if you make it to this level of education. I find it highly improbable that most ppl can "turn off that switch" when entering DPT school.

That said, the program I am in is crazy non-competitive(at least on the surface). It actually scared me, because it was almost like "Pleasantville" with how helpful classmates and faculty are. Just wasn't used to it. It does promote a team environment, and we actually DO NOT discuss grades. Previously classes have done it, and it just makes it a much more "chill" environment. Go figure!
 
I imagine that this is all program contingent. I have "heard" stories of some of the programs I applied to being very competitive amongst classmates. Frankly for the first 21-24 yrs of a student's life you are typically conditioned to be "better" than the rest as it relates to grades. Especially if you make it to this level of education. I find it highly improbable that most ppl can "turn off that switch" when entering DPT school.

That said, the program I am in is crazy non-competitive(at least on the surface). It actually scared me, because it was almost like "Pleasantville" with how helpful classmates and faculty are. Just wasn't used to it. It does promote a team environment, and we actually DO NOT discuss grades. Previously classes have done it, and it just makes it a much more "chill" environment. Go figure!


Haha, completely true. Inside I was going, "Really? We're not gonna be competitive? But there's a small group of us who try to beat each other grades-wise, but are still helpful to each other when the other needs some help.

I love PT school.
 
Haha, completely true. Inside I was going, "Really? We're not gonna be competitive? But there's a small group of us who try to beat each other grades-wise, but are still helpful to each other when the other needs some help.

I love PT school.

I feel the exact same way with my program. It feels as if any competition there is comes from within the person rather than outward towards other students. There is definitely a sense of calm/confusion when you realize you don't have to fight to prove yourself. The closeness I have with my classmates is unbelievable. Definitely team-based 🙂
 
While I see nothing wrong with friendly competition, I'd emphasize that it must be friendly/kind-hearted. It should never reach a point where you're not helping someone in need or withholding anything that could help out any classmate. To me, that's just cold. I'm a team-oriented person at heart, and I plan to help out my classmates as much as I can. I'd hope I could rely on them just as well. It's not even self-sacrifice to help others in most instances; I often learn material best when I try explaining it to someone else. They can correct me on parts I miss, and I can correct them if they make a mistake. Win-win!

I'd imagine most PT programs attract more team-oriented rather than competitive personality types just from the nature of the profession being a "helping" career. Just a (hopeful) hunch.
 
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