- Joined
- Jan 21, 2010
- Messages
- 45
- Reaction score
- 0
I heard there are only ~20 unmatched positions in contrast to last year's ~60. Are these people's heads squeezed? Don't they know they will be jobless when they graduate?
Competitive year for pathology match?
- Thread starter pathresident2
- Start date
Last year: 521 slots, 466 matched (50% AMG)...not sure how many filled post match, I'm guessing most empty slots eventually filled in the scramble.
This year: ~580 slots, ~560 matched. I'm curious to see the breakdown, b/c I was told a few times on the interview trail that this year was particularly more competative. So maybe an increase in both quality and quantity of applicants??? Maybe just more were interviewed and ranked as amerek suggests???
Take note: there were 60 more spots available this year
This year: ~580 slots, ~560 matched. I'm curious to see the breakdown, b/c I was told a few times on the interview trail that this year was particularly more competative. So maybe an increase in both quality and quantity of applicants??? Maybe just more were interviewed and ranked as amerek suggests???
Take note: there were 60 more spots available this year
- Joined
- Jan 21, 2010
- Messages
- 45
- Reaction score
- 0
60 more slots because of no prematches?
I bet that is why. The numbers for the last five years have been (offered/filled): 2008: 508/467 2009: 522/492 2010: 503/484 2011: 518/476 2012: 521/466 So, minor changes with similar fill rates. This year the big difference was no prematching. So that is likely the reason the slots look increased.
- Joined
- Jan 21, 2010
- Messages
- 45
- Reaction score
- 0
Again, people have to act to cut the pathology residency positions, ideally by at least 1/3 to improve the supply/demand imbalance.The job market is ridiculous! No other specialty is like us!!!
- Joined
- Jan 16, 2008
- Messages
- 404
- Reaction score
- 25
how?
- Joined
- Sep 24, 2009
- Messages
- 220
- Reaction score
- 14
At least this part is 100% correct.
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2004
- Messages
- 7,132
- Reaction score
- 1,250
Wow 521slots for a nation where the biggest state, something on the order of an average European country in size, can absorb at the most 3-4 trainees/yr is mind boggling...
Just guessing that 50-100 or so per year out of the match total arent doing Pathology within 10 years.
We maybe need 1/5 of that to fill retirements and deaths.
Just guessing that 50-100 or so per year out of the match total arent doing Pathology within 10 years.
We maybe need 1/5 of that to fill retirements and deaths.
- Joined
- Mar 17, 2003
- Messages
- 2,962
- Reaction score
- 79
WSJ has an article online today that states that the number of graduating medical students will soon surpass the current number of funded residency slots. This will be good for pathology as it will force more med students into it.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...6544137516914.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories
I wouldn't worry about them expanding the number of spots in pathology. All the focus is on expanding primary care and moving away from specialists, like us, who earn too much money as far as the executive and legislative branches as well as the public are concered, and as we try to reel in healthcare spending and move to reimbursement based on value of pathology care rather than volume of pathology care.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...6544137516914.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories
I wouldn't worry about them expanding the number of spots in pathology. All the focus is on expanding primary care and moving away from specialists, like us, who earn too much money as far as the executive and legislative branches as well as the public are concered, and as we try to reel in healthcare spending and move to reimbursement based on value of pathology care rather than volume of pathology care.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Sep 27, 2008
- Messages
- 74
- Reaction score
- 36
Agreed with above.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2004
- Messages
- 7,132
- Reaction score
- 1,250
okay you definitely crack me up dude. Lets try to take the average case volume for a pathologist and do the "value math" on it.
How are we are going to do that exactly? That will never happen. NEVER.
There may be a forced employment of all docs in some grim dark future Socialist overthrow of medicine, but there will never be a purely "value" pay system for Pathologists, at least one I dont intend to game the crap out of...yes those 6 pericolic lymph nodes DO have the ability to magically turn into 12, its all part of the new math.
The massed bloat for training and educating new docs is the same pogrom that the legal profession has gone through where you produce a starving pathetic mass of idiots too deep in debt to realize they are boarding a slave ship for the rest of their pitiful careers. This is 100% intended to break the back the medical profession and eventually it will work.
Take it to the extreme, train a million primary care docs and every poor crime ridden inner city cesspool will have a hundred doctors begging to see homeless people for pennies. This is intended and the political enemies of medicine are playing the long game to win it.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2004
- Messages
- 7,132
- Reaction score
- 1,250
I saw this posted while perusing the trash newsrag called the LA Times. Looks like it has already begun. This was posted in reponse to the new Democratic push in California to let PHARMACISTS and O.D. of all people manage chronic illness like Diabetes, HTN etc...maybe Pharmacists will do surgery next? Perhaps read slides at Walgreens?? Perhaps Obama and the CA Democracy League wants to see Podlab sweatshops run out of CVS where you have well trained community college grads reading prostate biopsies? Notice these initiatives are almost always begun by the DEMOCRATIC party. Suspicious eh??:
The doctor shortage is a lie and I, as well as many others in my situation, are living proof of that lie. As a recent medical school graduate from California I have been unable to obtain a residency position in family medicine or primary care despite passing all the required exams and being fluent in both English and Spanish. Many people do not know that in order to become a licensed physician you must first go through residency training and without a license and residency you can never see patients despite having gone through 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, countless exams and $200,000+ worth of student loans. Currently there are many DOCTORS, both U.S. and foreign grads, that are fighting for the limited amount of residency spots around the nation in what is known as "the match". "The Match" happens once a year and usually leaves many qualified DOCTORS without a residency and without a job unable to see patients for another unpredictable year. So next time you can't get a doctors appointment or have to see a PA or nurse practitioner remember that there's a doctor right here, and many more just like me, waiting to see patients but unable to do so thanks to the bureaucratic red-tape that is residency. For any of those that would like more information about my situation you can e-mail me at [email protected]
The doctor shortage is a lie and I, as well as many others in my situation, are living proof of that lie. As a recent medical school graduate from California I have been unable to obtain a residency position in family medicine or primary care despite passing all the required exams and being fluent in both English and Spanish. Many people do not know that in order to become a licensed physician you must first go through residency training and without a license and residency you can never see patients despite having gone through 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, countless exams and $200,000+ worth of student loans. Currently there are many DOCTORS, both U.S. and foreign grads, that are fighting for the limited amount of residency spots around the nation in what is known as "the match". "The Match" happens once a year and usually leaves many qualified DOCTORS without a residency and without a job unable to see patients for another unpredictable year. So next time you can't get a doctors appointment or have to see a PA or nurse practitioner remember that there's a doctor right here, and many more just like me, waiting to see patients but unable to do so thanks to the bureaucratic red-tape that is residency. For any of those that would like more information about my situation you can e-mail me at [email protected]
No way. Are you kidding me? Is this person an American grad. If he/she is not able to get a residency in FP or primary care, it must be the applicant not the fact that it is so hard to get a residency in primary care. Or it could be that person is so picky and wants to stay in Cali. When did FP become competitive? Unless something has changed in the past 5 years.
Dude I know folks from the Carribean that got a spot.
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2003
- Messages
- 3,124
- Reaction score
- 130
Yeah, I'd call BS on that post also. A bilingual AMG unable to get a primary care residency? There's clearly more to the story that what s/he has presented.
They just had the Canadian match too. Seems pretty similar from what I can tell, and like in the US, solid Canadian applicants seem to be able to have their pick of where they wish to go.
They just had the Canadian match too. Seems pretty similar from what I can tell, and like in the US, solid Canadian applicants seem to be able to have their pick of where they wish to go.
- Joined
- Jan 30, 2006
- Messages
- 2,801
- Reaction score
- 1,186
That's funny, because half of family medicine spots go unfilled each year. That means most programs would rather have NO ONE that this loser.
It must be hard to find employment with felony convictions...
It must be hard to find employment with felony convictions...
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2012
- Messages
- 273
- Reaction score
- 43
That's funny because the people who run the residency programs (APC/PRODS) say pathology is undermanned and we must increase the number of folks applying. I guess they are not at all biased?
- Joined
- Apr 4, 2011
- Messages
- 263
- Reaction score
- 41
Only 59 FP slots went unmatched last week and quickly all spots were filled through SOAP. I read there were 14 unmatched categorical IM slots and again all SOAPed in a few hours. FM and IM are now very competitive for the nonAMG. Unlike pathology, matching into IM or FM guarantees 100+ good job offers. Matching into a pathology residency slot guarantees nothing.
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2004
- Messages
- 7,132
- Reaction score
- 1,250
there is a great article in the WSJ this week that every undergrad, regardless of field, should read.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323393304578358583587338070.html
In a similar vein, Modern Medicine is also fast becoming a Nigerian Con Game with hundreds of thousands of dollars invested. But it is far more cruel, with more detailed application requirements than law school and about half a decade more time invested before you realize the often fictitious pot of gold on the other side of the rainbow (longer MD training+residency).
Caveat Emptor.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323393304578358583587338070.html
In a similar vein, Modern Medicine is also fast becoming a Nigerian Con Game with hundreds of thousands of dollars invested. But it is far more cruel, with more detailed application requirements than law school and about half a decade more time invested before you realize the often fictitious pot of gold on the other side of the rainbow (longer MD training+residency).
Caveat Emptor.
- Joined
- Mar 17, 2003
- Messages
- 2,962
- Reaction score
- 79
That is a great/hilarious opinion piece.
My favorite line was "People get really upset about the Nigerian Scam, but in their defense the Nigerians only ask for a few thousand dollars. Law schools ask for hundreds of thousands. And the Nigerian Scam does at least have a certain entertainment value: It makes the victim feel like he's been cast in a remake of the beguiling David Mamet/Steve Martin film "The Spanish Prisoner." Law schools provide no drama and no amusement. It's a straight rip-off."
My second favorite line was the picture of Madoff and the quip "If Bernie Madoff were starting out today, he might found a law school or a pathology residency training program".
.
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2004
- Messages
- 7,132
- Reaction score
- 1,250
It's very sad when entire professional fields of study in America are being heralded as the next big "Choppa Your Dolla" scam...One might say all of Higher Ed in the US has entered a surreal Madoffian mode...academics are grabbing all they can while the getting is good.
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2004
- Messages
- 7,132
- Reaction score
- 1,250
MBA programs which have proliferated faster than norovirus on a cruise ship may actually be the worst Nigerian scam out there!
I would rank them currently from most Choppa Your Dollah to the least:1.) MBA
2.) DVM (although this could be the absolute WORST offender of all time)
3.) J.D.
4.) MFA and other innumerable worthless Masters programs like Ed etc.
5.) PharmD
6.) D.O.
7.) O.D.
8.) M.D.
How about some dental schools? Some I hear are charging 100K a year in tuition and if you want to specialize in ortho, etc. you have to pay them to train you. Correct me if I am wrong dental friends! On top of that, my general dentist friend told me the field is saturated.
- Joined
- Sep 9, 2004
- Messages
- 7,132
- Reaction score
- 1,250
I keep hearing how dental med is all saturated etc. but when I recently met a young lady with essentially zero business training tell me she bought a practice and paid off 400K in debt in only 4 years after graduating (I think she was 29?), I think dental med is running a careful psy ops campaign to keep us in the dark to how good they have it...
I could not imagine if people walked into my office with CASH, paid 80% of charges at the time of the visit and I was able to flow that $ however I wanted through creative accounting like many dentists do...that would be unreal.
- Joined
- Mar 17, 2003
- Messages
- 2,962
- Reaction score
- 79
I just paid cash for a 1500 dollar dental bill and the dentist spent about 90 minutes in the chair over two visits.
It's the best of both worlds. There is a lot of cosmetic stuff dentists can do for which people pay with credit card. And then there is medical dental stuff like getting crowns which people have to get done even though many don't have insurance so they pay cash like me.
It's the best of both worlds. There is a lot of cosmetic stuff dentists can do for which people pay with credit card. And then there is medical dental stuff like getting crowns which people have to get done even though many don't have insurance so they pay cash like me.
- Joined
- Mar 17, 2003
- Messages
- 2,962
- Reaction score
- 79
Case in point. I paid 2000 grand to a endo/peridontist for a root canal. It took about an hour. But it was worth every penny as it was painless.
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2012
- Messages
- 273
- Reaction score
- 43
You guys don't have dental coverage? I heard the dental school offers cheap services.
- Joined
- Mar 17, 2003
- Messages
- 2,962
- Reaction score
- 79
No our group doesn't do dental or vision. Fortunately we can submit all receipts and get reimbursed in tax free dollars, so it isn't that much different than paying dental premiums and copays and deductibles.
- Joined
- Mar 24, 2013
- Messages
- 40
- Reaction score
- 0
Sadly, I don't think they do! Thanks for starting the thread.I heard there are only ~20 unmatched positions in contrast to last year's ~60. Are these people's heads squeezed? Don't they know they will be jobless when they graduate?
- Joined
- Sep 21, 2007
- Messages
- 204
- Reaction score
- 22
For those of us who don't subscribe, can someone please upload this article
- Joined
- Sep 10, 2006
- Messages
- 642
- Reaction score
- 47
According to the NRMP there was only 1 unfilled pathology residency position at the end of match week. This was a competitive year and it is great to see outstanding applicants selecting a career in pathology.
http://www.nrmp.org/pressreleasepostmatch2013.pdf
http://www.nrmp.org/pressreleasepostmatch2013.pdf
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2003
- Messages
- 3,124
- Reaction score
- 130
With due respect, Dr. Remick, few unfilled spots does not necessarily means "outstanding applicants." If the field of pathology cannot provide a high likelihood that appropriately-trained graduates will be able to find gainful employment, then "outstanding applicants" will become rare very quickly. I know this is a constant discussion on here, but we're nearing the end of this current academic year and some regular posters are expressing difficulty finding jobs.
- Joined
- Jul 27, 2007
- Messages
- 1,221
- Reaction score
- 203
Path has very few outstanding applicants, but a lot of average and sub-par ones. Dr. Remick's flowery hyperbole comes across as frankly patronizing and somewhat dishonest.
I'm sure if you all look around your pathology departments you'll find lots of people unfit for medical practice in general. Pathology is low-hanging fruit.
- Joined
- Aug 5, 2008
- Messages
- 616
- Reaction score
- 2
Substance - I'm sorry that a pathologist killed your mother, but maybe it's time to lay your grudge to rest. You don't even seem to be very well informed about pathology in the first place.
As far as applicant quality, in 2011 pathology applicants had an average step 1 score of 226 - equal to or greater than anesthesiology, emergency medicine, family medicine, Internal medicine, neurology, OB/Gyn, Peds, PM&R, and psychiatry. Pathology applicants also had more research than every one of these groups except for neurology. What measure of quality are you concerned with here?
I see that you don't value things that you don't understand, but it may be more helpful for you to keep your bizarre stereotypes and misconceptions about pathology to yourself and your immediate family.
- Joined
- Nov 20, 2011
- Messages
- 246
- Reaction score
- 6
