Confused about Some pa schools

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How come one needs to do (in some cases) 1000 hours of volunteer or patient related work in order to get admitted. I'm pre-med was accepted to med school and never did more than 300 hours of volunteer work. How come???
 
most pa schools want former rn's, paramedics, resp. therapists, etc.
the idea behind pa school is to start with someone who already has a firm hold on many of the basics and build from there. the first seveal pa programs only took military corpsmen for this very reason. the better programs still require extensive prior experience as well, often 3-5 years or more...med students have 7 years to learn how to practice medicine. pa students have their past experience plus 2 years to do 80-85% of what a primary care md does in an outpatient setting( those are the actual numbers, not my estimate)....

General pa info

Physician assistants (PAs) are health professionals licensed to practice medicine, providing patient services ranging from primary medicine to very specialized surgical care.

Educated in medical programs, PAs are qualified to perform 80 to 85% of the duties most commonly done by primary care physicians. PAs perform physical examinations, diagnose and treat illnesses, order and interpret lab tests, counsel on preventive health, suture wounds, set fractures, and assist in surgical operations. In 46 states, the District of Columbia, and Guam, PAs have prescriptive privileges.

Currently there are approximately 30,000 physician assistants in the United States. In some rural areas, where physicians are in short supply, PAs serve as the only providers of health care.


Practice Settings

PAs practice in almost all health care settings and in nearly every medical and surgical specialty. They have also served on the White House medical staff.

14.2 percent of all PAs practice in rural communities with fewer than 10,000 people; a third practice in towns with fewer than 50,000 people. The majority of all PAs provide primary care services, with 40% in family medicine. Three percent of all PAs are in general surgery, and 16% in surgical sub-specialties. Approximately 70% of all PAs practice in outpatient settings (clinics, HMOs, medical offices), and 30% practice in inpatient settings (hospitals).

Many hospitals, faced with a shortage of physician residents, employ physician assistants as house staff in medical and surgical departments.

PA distribution more closely matches the population than other primary care providers according to the Seventh Report on the Status of Health Personnel in the United States, published by the Department of Health and Human Services in 1990. The report noted that, were it not for physician assistants, many areas would have little or no access to quality health care.


Education

There are 134 specially designed physician assistant programs located at medical colleges and universities, teaching hospitals, and through the Armed Forces. Due to the close working relationship PAs have with physicians, PA education was designed to complement that of physician education. The programs are accredited by one national, independent accrediting agency for allied health.

The typical PA student in 1995 had a bachelor's degree and over 4 years of health care experience prior to admission to the PA program. PA programs generally require applicants to have at least two years of college education and previous experience in health care. On average, PA education is usually 24 months in length and is approximately two-thirds that of medical students (108 weeks compared to 153). Physician assistants take some of their classes with medical students.

The first phase of PA education is in the classroom, providing students with an in-depth understanding of medical sciences. Additional subjects include differential diagnosis, medical ethics, and pharmacology. The second year is spent in clinical rotations. Each year, PA programs graduate approximately 2,500 men and women.


Practice Credentials

Nearly all states require PAs to pass a national certifying examination as a requirement for state licensure. The exam, open only to graduates of accredited PA programs, is given each year by the National Commission on Certification of Physician Assistants (NCCPA), an independent organization established to assure the competency of PAs.

To maintain certification, PAs must complete 100 hours of continuing medical education every two years and take a recertification exam every six years. Only those with current certification can use the credentials Physician Assistant-Certified or PA-C.

The median salary range for clinically practicing physician assistants nationwide is $70,000 to $75,000. 49% of all practicing physician assistants are women.

All PAs must, by law or regulation, have a supervising physician. It is not necessary, however, for the physician and PA always to be located in the same building or even the same town. Most state laws allow the supervising physician to be away from the practice or working in another town when the PA is seeing patients.


Quality of Care

A study by the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment concluded that PAs provide care that is equivalent in quality to the care provided by physicians. Studies conducted by the Rand Corporation and other researchers found that PAs save as much as 20% of the personnel costs of medical care, can perform 80% of the routine functions of a primary care physician's practice, and are widely accepted by patients. A 1994 Gallup poll shows that a significant majority of Americans endorse the use of PAs as health care providers.

Case law reveals that physician assistants have been involved in very few malpractice cases. The majority of PAs are insured either by a rider on their employer's malpractice policy or by their own personal malpractice insurance.


Historical Background

The physician assistant concept originated in the mid-1960s. Physicians and educators recognized there was a shortage and uneven distribution of primary care physicians. To combat these problems, the physician assistant profession was developed. The first physician assistants graduated from Duke University in 1967. They were former Navy corpsmen who wanted to use their medical skills in civilian life.


Growth of the PA Profession

Demand for PA services is rapidly increasing. The Department of Labor projects the number of physician assistant jobs will grow by 23% from 1994 through the year 2005, greater than the national average for all professions.

Factors that have contributed to this growth include increased recognition of the quality of care that PAs provide and Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement for PA services.
 
Emedpa, you have such a wonderful gift at giving such precise, concise responses. 🙂

I appreciate you.
 
sort of wonder what the above motivation was for asking the question...or was it just to brag that he/she got into med school...sort of shallow of a question
 
The motivation was likely-why can't I get in when I haven't had experience...a common thing actually...

The whole basis of the PA profession was to take providers that had experience to build on, ie military medics....not to start from scratch a la high school studnet with 60hrs of prerequisites....
 
I agree with the above post. I applied to PA school in my sophomore year of college and was subsequently rejected. I ended up completing my BS and joining the Air Force medical service corps as a medic. After being on active duty for two years, I was accepted into their PA program... I chose to pursue a DO degree instead. But I have nothing but respect for PAs.

Cyndi
 
Needing significant health profession experience is a thing of the past. Many students go straight through after college and have absolutely no problem doing so.
 
quick question here, does employer look heavily at the level of the PA school one go to (master program vs bachelor vs associate) or does it matter for getting the first job only or does it not matter at all?
i know most of PA programs are master level but i've seen bachelor level (at good schools) and even associate degree down in miami dade comm college.
my little cousin is thinking of becoming a PA and i told him instead of going thru 4 yrs of bachelor degree (sometimes + 2 more yrs), they have PA programs that accept high school grads...... saves him 4+ yrs and money.
but anybody here finish PA from community college/associate degree? how's your experience in getting a job? did it put you at disadvantage? is the salary different?
 
The degree would probably help you most in relations with the nursing staff.

Finding a good job seems to be more about who you know and the impression you've left on them. "You may be able to find someone smarter than X, but I know from experience you won't find anyone with a better attitude and who works harder..."
 
Originally posted by themadmedic
The motivation was likely-why can't I get in when I haven't had experience...a common thing actually...

The whole basis of the PA profession was to take providers that had experience to build on, ie military medics....not to start from scratch a la high school studnet with 60hrs of prerequisites....

I think many schools are trying to do away with this idea, I for one was a HS graduate accepted directly into a PA program and only needed about 500 hours of medical experience. As far as actually having knowledge or solid experience, those hours can be volunteering i.e. reading books to patients not necessarily experience that can be applied to actual medicine. My program actually promotes hs graduate applicants and holds priority for them over people transferring in.

In my experience though, many students in my class have some type of medical experience and are on their 2nd or 3rd path in life but to be honest they dont feel that their past healthcare profession has helped them very much. Ive actually seen people with years of medical experience fail out. This past semester a friend of mine that had about 10 years experience in surgery failed out and his failing was actually due to anatomy. You would think someone who spent so much time in surgery would have excellent knowledge about human anatomy.

so dont let the whole 1000s of hours of experience needed fool you it really doesnt stand for much...Its all about the school and what their stafff feels is important...I know for my program they want us to be acquainted with people mainly patients and also to show our dedication to medicine and that we are serious abount entering a medical profession. The director of my program feels very strongly about giving back to the healthcare community, I agree with her and I think anyone in a healthcare profession should be willing to do so much volunteer work, BUT to make it mandatory to get in, I dont think its such a wonderful idea. I guess they need more criteria to make more competetion for applicants...
 
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