Confused: Nova or NYU

[hirea03]

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I am really having a tough time determining what school to attend. I want to go to NYU for the experience but everyone seems to say bad things about NYU on this website. Which school would you choose? Any feedback would be helpful.

Thanks

 

[LuckMC11]

my parents went to NYU...like over 13 years ago...but that was after they were already dentists in India...


they liked NYU btw

 

[Dental916]

There is nothing bad with NYU. It's crazy how rumors start getting way out of hand.

 

[shamrock2006]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with NYU. I think people automatically assume b/c it has the highest enrollment that they just let anyone in, and that makes it a subpar school. It would be like saying your state undergrad school sucks because your graduating class had thousands of people. With the high amount of apps these days, the schools can afford to make offers to people they want..and not just "settle" for. Has a solid curriculum, fantasic facilities, and the highest patient pool of any school in the US

 

[Dental916]

after my first year...12-15 people dropped(couldn't hang because they just didn't try, didn't like dentistry, and there was only 1 that truely tried and didn't make it...he had a learning disability). So 12-15 out of 230 or so is not that bad. People didn't just get kicked out for no reason. The patient pool is fantastic and the facilities are brand new.

 

[MaxAnn]

after my first year...12-15 people dropped(couldn't hang because they just didn't try, didn't like dentistry, and there was only 1 that truely tried and didn't make it...he had a learning disability). So 12-15 out of 230 or so is not that bad. People didn't just get kicked out for no reason. The patient pool is fantastic and the facilities are brand new.

12-15 students dropped out because they either didn't care or didn't try.

With an attrition rate that high, I wouldn't send my children there for free.

That is the same garbage they spout at Howard and believe me failure is just as much a two way street as success.

Run run away from high attrition rates.

 

[Tooth]

and the highest patient pool of any school in the US

So how many crowns would you say the average student places before graduation? Thanks

 

[mymouthsmells]

12-15 students dropped out because they either didn't care or didn't try.

With an attrition rate that high, I wouldn't send my children there for free.

That is the same garbage they spout at Howard and believe me failure is just as much a two way street as success.

Run run away from high attrition rates.

I guess statistical analysis isn't your strong suit. Attrition rate isn't a number but rather a percentage- high school should have taught you that.

Let say 15 students (I doubt it's that high) do drop out in their first year. Out of 230 NYUCD students that is a 6.5% drop out rate.

Most other d-schools have in between 60-80 students. To equate the same percentage that drop out at NYU, that would mean 4 to 5 students drop out of those schools after their first year...which isn't normal or a lot. Seeee?

 

[Dental916]

I guess statistical analysis isn't your strong suit. Attrition rate isn't a number but rather a percentage- high school should have taught you that.

Let say 15 students (I doubt it's that high) do drop out in their first year. Out of 230 NYUCD students that is a 6.5% drop out rate.

Most other d-schools have in between 60-80 students. To equate the same percentage that drop out at NYU, that would mean 4 to 5 students drop out of those schools after their first year...which isn't normal or a lot. Seeee?

I'm glad you can enlighten these folks who think 12-15 out of 230ish isn't Now that I think about it, it was about 10 people that dropped for whatever reason.

 

[MaxAnn]

I guess statistical analysis isn't your strong suit. Attrition rate isn't a number but rather a percentage- high school should have taught you that.

Let say 15 students (I doubt it's that high) do drop out in their first year. Out of 230 NYUCD students that is a 6.5% drop out rate.

Most other d-schools have in between 60-80 students. To equate the same percentage that drop out at NYU, that would mean 4 to 5 students drop out of those schools after their first year...which isn't normal or a lot. Seeee?

No smart ass, I don't see. You are assuming that 15 students are all that will drop out: Your numbers will change if more students continue to drop out each year.

How do you know what most other dental schools have? Your statement would have more credence if dental schools would report those sort of numbers, but they don't, which is an entirely different argument. Trying to compare NYU's numbers with a generalization of most other schools (which you couldn't possible know) is weak.

The problem with all of this is that YOU like so many other people are content to live with any drop out number as long as it doesn't happen to you.

This is the same narrow-minded disease that far too many folks are encouraging. I am glad the administrators at LSU aren't living in your glass menagrie. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[mymouthsmells]

No smart ass, I don't see. You are assuming that 15 students are all that will drop out: Your numbers will change if more students continue to drop out each year.

...and 1 + 1 = 2 right? Such a juvenile intuitive statement you deliever. What happens if less students continue to drop out each year, oh look, the numbers have changed too.

How do you know what most other dental schools have? Your statement would have more credence if dental schools would report those sort of numbers, but they don't, which is an entirely different argument. Trying to compare NYU's numbers with a generalization of most other schools (which you couldn't possible know) is weak.

My generalization is weak? If so, how does that speak to your assumption that NYU's attrition rate, which you carelessly looked at the absolute number rather than the percentage, is high? Sure dental schools don't report their attrition rates, why? Oh because people DO drop out. Enlighten me on how your assumption is stronger than mine since you decided to say that NYU has a high attrition rate.

The problem with all of this is that YOU like so many other people are content to live with any drop out number as long as it doesn't happen to you.

This is the same narrow-minded disease that far too many folks are encouraging. I am glad the administrators at LSU aren't living in your glass menagrie. Absolutely ridiculous.

If you are so disgusted, tell me what is the maximum drop out number you are willing to tolerate? Also, are you the type of person that will listen to the "bad" news of NYU (assuming these INTERNET drop out figures are correct) but decide to block out the "great" news of NYU. By the way, it's menagerie.

 

[setdoc7]

People drop out of dental school for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is they decide dentistry is really not for them. Others go into other health careers. Not everyone who wihdraws has flunked out. Maxann, drop out rates in dental school is about the same now as it was over 20 years ago when I was a student. As a faculty member at two NY schools, I can assure you that NYU's rate of attrition is no higher than the national average, which is remarkable as it has the largest class. These numbers are reported at the ADEA annual deans conference. Publishing them for general information would not serve any real purpose. The really important numbers are the percentage of enrolled students who graduate after 4 years, and those who take significantly longer to finish. It is commendable that you are so proud of LSU, a state supported school in a state which continues to provide inadequate health coverage for the poor.

 

[MaxAnn]

People drop out of dental school for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is they decide dentistry is really not for them. Others go into other health careers. Not everyone who wihdraws has flunked out. Maxann, drop out rates in dental school is about the same now as it was over 20 years ago when I was a student. As a faculty member at two NY schools, I can assure you that NYU's rate of attrition is no higher than the national average, which is remarkable as it has the largest class. These numbers are reported at the ADEA annual deans conference. Publishing them for general information would not serve any real purpose. The really important numbers are the percentage of enrolled students who graduate after 4 years, and those who take significantly longer to finish. It is commendable that you are so proud of LSU, a state supported school in a state which continues to provide inadequate health coverage for the poor.

If you really are a faculty member, you should retire. Health coverage for the poor is in adequate nation wide. As a faculty member or anyone who can read, you should know this.

How many students or SDN posters are privy to information reported at the ADEA annual deans conference? Why not share it with the students or the public? You know this is a logical question, so you covered yourself by saying publshing the info would serve no purpose.

It would reveal how shady some dental schools have become; always masking data that might shed any dental school in a negative light.

Tell me faculty member: How many of your colleagues at LSU did you have the nerve to tell that cheap shot to? Rubbish.

 

[MaxAnn]

...and 1 + 1 = 2 right? Such a juvenile intuitive statement you deliever. What happens if less students continue to drop out each year, oh look, the numbers have changed too.



My generalization is weak? If so, how does that speak to your assumption that NYU's attrition rate, which you carelessly looked at the absolute number rather than the percentage, is high? Sure dental schools don't report their attrition rates, why? Oh because people DO drop out. Enlighten me on how your assumption is stronger than mine since you decided to say that NYU has a high attrition rate.



If you are so disgusted, tell me what is the maximum drop out number you are willing to tolerate? Also, are you the type of person that will listen to the "bad" news of NYU (assuming these INTERNET drop out figures are correct) but decide to block out the "great" news of NYU. By the way, it's menagerie.

By the way, it is menagerie. Booh hoo hoo.

Why not report the attrition rate? What are the schools afraid of? I've said it before, it is akin to lying by ommission. The sooner you know what's wrong, the sooner you can clean it up.

It is an absolute cop out. I'm not surprised though. It is one of the dental communities dirtiest little secrets. They don't call them pyramid schools for nothing: It is a scam.

 

[Denticized]

Ok I detect a horribly hateful tone in this Maxann guy. Unless NYU killed your father I don't see why you are so mad at them. What do you care about d-school drop outs, just watch out for yourself. Go to LSU and make sure you have your anchor with you the next time the wind is taking the entire campus.

 

[MaxAnn]

This guy attacks the poor, and I have a hateful tone? It is silly to assum that me or anyone else is pissed at one school just b/c potential problems are discussed. It makes no difference to me. It is not my problem. Eventually, all the nonsense will come to a head. I am done with this discussion.

 

[Jaybe]

I am really having a tough time determining what school to attend. I want to go to NYU for the experience but everyone seems to say bad things about NYU on this website. Which school would you choose? Any feedback would be helpful.

Thanks

Unless the 'experience' you are seeking from NYU is a series of snide remarks made by arrogant students at a painfully elitist instituition over the next four years, it would appear that this thread seems to indicate, albeit indirectly, that NOVA would be your best choice.


Now maybe some NYUers could take this opportunity to post some respectful comments to argue the benefits of their institution.

 

[setdoc7]

Thank you MaxAnn, and if I had a class full of students like you, I would retire ASAP . Should you have any questions about the information I have told you, I suggest you visit the dean of your dental school and inquire, as I am sure your dean attends the ADEA meetings.

NYU is the largest school in the country, and over the past 10 years has endeavored to fulfill its commitment to train dentists for the 21st century. To that end it has modernized both the preclinical and clinical infrastructure to reflect this goal. It has also taken an active approach to recruite leaders in dentistry for the faculty. As we are all aware that there is a tremendous shortage of dentists going into academics, it is no small task. NYU has taken a leading role in the treament planning and variety of treament options offered to it's patient population, and has anticipated ADEA changes and implemented them. The dental informatics dept is leading the field. NYU has a great history of producing excellent practitioners. I am sure NOVA is a good school, and you cannot beat the weather. The opportinities are in NY. Far more chances for externships at great med centers and hospitals, and lots of opportunity to visit residency programs. If you plan on practicing in NY, stay in NY. If you plan on practicing in FL, Nova is your choice.

 

[pookey7182]

Plan on going where you want to practice itll make your life easier later. I am at Nova, and sure there are problems here, but I dont know what NYU is like so I cant compare.

 

[Dental916]

I am really having a tough time determining what school to attend. I want to go to NYU for the experience but everyone seems to say bad things about NYU on this website. Which school would you choose? Any feedback would be helpful.

Thanks

Just to clear things up...what bad things are you referring to?