Cornell vs Sinai?

[Biffer]

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any thoughts? I am considering GI in the future-

Thanks for any info on program specifics/camraderie/happiness,etc-

 

[theunderdog]

which sinai are you talking about? cedars sinai? mt sinai? sinai hospital (johns hopkins)? list goes on.

 

[bbtbay]

I'm assuming you mean Mt. Sinai, NY vs. Cornell.

Sinai is known for its great GI matches with good leadership/research opportunities/mentors who are well known.

Cornell is also great, but from what I have read it is really strong for Heme-Onc. There is a strong connection with Sloan Kettering, and if you look at the Cornell match list for HemeOnc it is impressive---Not as much GI.

I guess it depends how sure you want to do GI. Either way, both seem to be very strong medicine programs and in NYC! I'm in a similar situation myself, hoping that the interview day will help elucidate some of this confusion.

 

[medschoolrules]

I want to revitalize this thread now that a year has passed-- How does the overall reputation of Cornell compare with Mt Sinai? Does Cornell's ivy league reputation mean anything? Or is Sinai just as reputable? I'm interested in ID, general IM, or maybe heme/onc, but would like to hear what you guys think about the overall reputation of the institutions.

Also, a question about a completely diff program-- how does UTSW's reputation compare with the above 2? I applied there, but am not from Texas, and am wondering what others think.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I want to revitalize this thread now that a year has passed-- How does the overall reputation of Cornell compare with Mt Sinai? Does Cornell's ivy league reputation mean anything? Or is Sinai just as reputable? I'm interested in ID, general IM, or maybe heme/onc, but would like to hear what you guys think about the overall reputation of the institutions.

Also, a question about a completely diff program-- how does UTSW's reputation compare with the above 2? I applied there, but am not from Texas, and am wondering what others think.

Cornell might have more recognition nationally due to the IVY name, but people in NY know that the big 4 programs are pretty much 1. Columbia, 2. Mt Sinai=Cornell, 4. NYU. But all 4 have a good amount of success matching into fellowships....Mt. Sinai arguably best for GI, Cornell and NYU better for heme-onc (both rotate through sloan), Columbia, Cornell, and NYU all good for cards. Columbia probably has the most success for out of city fellowship placement...but really there are top 15 fellowship programs for heme-onc, cards, and GI in at least 2 or 3 of these 4 institutions, so there is no need to match outside. It's pretty tough not to get a great fellowship position if you work hard in any of these 4 programs. The same thing can be said for the Boston programs. It is a huge edge for fellowship placement to have multiple very strong programs in the same city.

 

[dreamfox]

I'm an intern at Cornell right now. Loved Cornell and Sinai last year when I interviewed.

I chose Cornell for a few reasons that I will keep brief: 1) better location 2) better housing 3) better national rep 4) international program is awesome (2/3 of residents go to tanzania for 6 weeks their third year with option to go up to 3 months) 5) i liked the people better 6) seemed more academic during my interview

If your goal is to stay in NYC for the rest of your life, there probably isn't much of a difference since Sinai is known in the city; however, what I've been told is that Cornell carries a better name nationally.

Fellowship wise, GI at sinai is very good (but it's good at Cornell as well) and Cornell is stronger in cards and heme/onc (arguably the best heme/onc match in the country).

I can't speak for Sinai, but I was able to get a research project going my second month of internship. You also get a month of elective in which you can essentially "create your own elective." If you're interested in GI, you can sit in the endoscopy suite all day and bs with the GI docs, do GI consult, do research, etc, etc. If you're interested in cards, we get a ton of cards exposure our intern year (one month of CCU, one month of cardiac step down). If you're interested in heme/onc, sloan-kettering is across the street and we spend a month there our intern year. I know lots of people doing research projects over there.

Again, I ranked Cornell #1 and Sinai #2 last year and I interviewed all over the country. Either way, you're going to a great program. Let me know if you have any questions about Cornell.

 

[gutonc]

Again, I ranked Cornell #1 and Sinai #2 last year and I interviewed all over the country. Either way, you're going to a great program. Let me know if you have any questions about Cornell.

FWIW, I ranked Sinai #2 and Cornell #4 4 years ago. My #1 and #3 were West Coast programs (I matched #1). I don't really think you can go wrong at either of those places. Sinai for GI far and away. Cornell probably wins in Cards. Hem/Onc is a tie in my book. Yes, Cornell has the MSKCC tie but, in my personal experience, Cornell thinks more highly of that than MSKCC does.

Cornell has the housing edge by a country mile. Location isn't that big of a deal...I prefer Central Park to the East River and MSSM is basically at the subway, it's a hike from Cornell. More restaurants and bars around Cornell.

If all you care about is a name, Cornell is it. If you care about good training and opportunities, you'll probably be well served either place. Fellowship PDs worth their salt see them as equal programs. You can't really go wrong...rank them in the order you personally liked them.

 

[Myostatin]

If you're 100% confident you want to do GI, choose whichever you get a better feel at. Otherwise Cornell has a signficantly better reputation / fellowship match (in the competitive specialties).

 

[Phineus]

If you're 100% confident you want to do GI, choose whichever you get a better feel at. Otherwise Cornell has a signficantly better reputation / fellowship match (in the competitive specialties).

Can anyone that has interviewed at Mount Sinai please post their IM fellowship match. Their program does not place this on their website (the program tends to be very secretive).

 

[temmie]

Can anyone that has interviewed at Mount Sinai please post their IM fellowship match. Their program does not place this on their website (the program tends to be very secretive).

Can anyone that has interviewed at Mount Sinai please post their IM fellowship match. Their program does not place this on their website (the program tends to be very secretive).

I will try and list the majority below

Class of 2009-
GI: 7 total at mount sinai, Hopkins, winthrop, Beth israel
Cards: 8 total at Mount sinai, NYU, Columbia, BID,
Palliative care: 1 at sinai
Community medicine: 2 at sinai
ID: 3 total at BID, Montefiore, sinai
Hem onc: 2 heme onc at sinai, northwestern
Hospitalist: 2 at hopkins, jacobi
Rheum: 2 at NYU, monte
Endo: 1 at columbia
Pulm/crit: 3 at sinai

Class of 08
GI: 10 at UMDNJ, UCSD, BI, Cornell, Brown, sinai, LSU, Monte, NYMC
Cards: 5 at Drexel, U pitts, Georgetown, NYU, sinai
Pul/crit: 2 at UC davis, Sinai
Heme onc: 4 at NIH, Sloan kettering, UCSF,
ID: 3 at NYU, columbia, Sinai
Rheum: 1 at sinai
Palliative care- 1
Endocrine: 3 at sinai
Hospitalist:2
Nephrology: 2

Class of 07
GI: 6 at Sinai, BID, Monte, Albert einstein PA, U penn
Cards: 5 at monte, U of south carolina, sinai, NYU, BI,
Heme onc: 2 at columbia and sloan
ID: 4 at monte, sinai, cornell, CDC
Renal: 2 at MGH/Brigham, UCSF,
Pulm/crit: 4. 2 each at sinai and hopkins
Endocrine: 6 at NYU, monte, sinai, Jefferson,
Hospitalist
Pallative:1

Class of 06

Gi: 8
Cards: 8
Heme onc: 2
ID: 3
Pulm/crit: 3
Endo: 4
Renal: 1
Hospitalist: 1
Allergy/immuno: 2
Geriatics

Basically, they are fantastically successful in fellowship/ hospitalist/ general med. Also saw some random locum teres. Hope it's helpful.

 

[NEXUS 5]

At the risk of appearing to be an elitist, I am a bit surprised over Mt. Sinai's fellowship list as posted above by temmie, particularly in the GI matches. Certainly regionality must play into this (as in people wanting to stay in NYC so ranked local community programs over better known academic programs elsewhere), but this list is overall less impressive than I had imagined it would be based on what everyone here had been clammering about Mt. Sinai's "strength of GI matches." To be sure, there are a few high-profile matches at top academic GI programs. However, this is balanced out by several matches each year to low-tier academia/community programs as well.

It's not a bad list; certainly matching 6-10 to GI annually is something. I am just surprised that it's not quite as strong as I had initially thought.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

At the risk of appearing to be an elitist, I am a bit surprised over Mt. Sinai's fellowship list as posted above by temmie, particularly in the GI matches. Certainly regionality must play into this (as in people wanting to stay in NYC so ranked local community programs over better known academic programs elsewhere), but this list is overall less impressive than I had imagined it would be based on what everyone here had been clammering about Mt. Sinai's "strength of GI matches." To be sure, there are a few high-profile matches at top academic GI programs. However, this is balanced out by several matches each year to low-tier academia/community programs as well.

It's not a bad list; certainly matching 6-10 to GI annually is something. I am just surprised that it's not quite as strong as I had initially thought.

It's the number of GI matches that you have to consider because it is such a small/restricted field. Very, very few programs, even top programs, can match 10 to GI in a year...Will they all be high level matches? No, but they won't all be high level residents either...As we all know, evaluations are subjective, relative, often dependent on who is evaluating you, etc. If you're in the lower quartile of the program, it will be noted in comments on your program director evals...I doubt you can find any program outside of the top 4-5 internal med programs in the country, that can compare to Mt. Sinai's GI match list...And then they have plenty of strong matches in cards too.

 

[NEXUS 5]

It's the number of GI matches that you have to consider because it is such a small/restricted field. Very, very few programs, even top programs, can match 10 to GI in a year...Will they all be high level matches? No, but they won't all be high level residents either...As we all know, evaluations are subjective, relative, often dependent on who is evaluating you, etc. If you're in the lower quartile of the program, it will be noted in comments on your program director evals...I doubt you can find any program outside of the top 4-5 internal med programs in the country, that can compare to Mt. Sinai's GI match list...And then they have plenty of strong matches in cards too.

At the same time, not every IM program has 10 residents each year who are interested in GI, whereas that appears to be the case at Mt. Sinai probably because they attract GI-minded applicants. For example, amongst the IM programs with which I am more familiar, MGH, Hopkins, and Duke historically do not match large numbers into GI (this past match cycle being an exception), though they are nearly always "high quality" matches. I think it would be safe to say that this is generally due to a relative lack of housestaff interest in GI (since GI match rate approaches 100% at these institutions), not an overall inability to match high numbers of applicants.

As you mentioned, coming from a high volume place (in terms of # of applicants) like Mt. Sinai there is always the risk of being buried amongst the crowd. Many GI fellowships offer different tracks. For the research-minded your research experience/publications help differentiate you from other research-track applicants. Clinical track applicants can more easily get lost in the crowd, since there is no objective way to measure clinical acumen. LORs don't help much since they are usually very complimentary across the board. Same thing with PD letters; unless you are a terrible resident, PDs are going to be as positive as he/she can since it is in the IM program's best interest to have a 100% match rate into big name fellowships. In this situation, it's not hard to become "Applicant A from program X." I do wonder if this is what happened to some of the GI applicants from Mt. Sinai, though I have no way of confirming nor do I think it matters much either way.

I will add that in a previous thread in the GI forum, it was mentioned that several of the internal matches at Mt. Sinai's GI fellowship were chief residents who then did ANOTHER year of research. This was back in 2006 though, so I don't know if it still holds true. One also wonders if some of the higher profile GI matches at Sinai may have been chief residents as well. Anyway, I am just thinking out loud here, but may be totally off base. Here's the thread to which I am referring http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=337404&highlight=mount+sinai

As you can probably guess by now, I recently matched into GI fellowship, and the above were some of the issues/concerns I faced during the application process. Ultimately, this is a Sinai vs Cornell thread, and I do think that Mt. Sinai's GI match history is comparable/slightly better than Cornell's. However, to me this is not a clear advantage, and the OP is probably better served trusting his gut feeling and going with "fit" rather than scrutinizing over relatively small fellowship match differences from these two very good IM programs.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

At the same time, not every IM program has 10 residents each year who are interested in GI, whereas that appears to be the case at Mt. Sinai probably because they attract GI-minded applicants. For example, amongst the IM programs with which I am more familiar, MGH, Hopkins, and Duke historically do not match large numbers into GI (this past match cycle being an exception), though they are nearly always "high quality" matches. I think it would be safe to say that this is generally due to a relative lack of housestaff interest in GI (since GI match rate approaches 100% at these institutions), not an overall inability to match high numbers of applicants.

As you mentioned, coming from a high volume place (in terms of # of applicants) like Mt. Sinai there is always the risk of being buried amongst the crowd. Many GI fellowships offer different tracks. For the research-minded your research experience/publications help differentiate you from other research-track applicants. Clinical track applicants can more easily get lost in the crowd, since there is no objective way to measure clinical acumen. LORs don't help much since they are usually very complimentary across the board. Same thing with PD letters; unless you are a terrible resident, PDs are going to be as positive as he/she can since it is in the IM program's best interest to have a 100% match rate into big name fellowships. In this situation, it's not hard to become "Applicant A from program X." I do wonder if this is what happened to some of the GI applicants from Mt. Sinai, though I have no way of confirming nor do I think it matters much either way.

I will add that in a previous thread in the GI forum, it was mentioned that several of the internal matches at Mt. Sinai's GI fellowship were chief residents who then did ANOTHER year of research. This was back in 2006 though, so I don't know if it still holds true. One also wonders if some of the higher profile GI matches at Sinai may have been chief residents as well. Anyway, I am just thinking out loud here, but may be totally off base. Here's the thread to which I am referring http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=337404&highlight=mount+sinai

As you can probably guess by now, I recently matched into GI fellowship, and the above were some of the issues/concerns I faced during the application process. Ultimately, this is a Sinai vs Cornell thread, and I do think that Mt. Sinai's GI match history is comparable/slightly better than Cornell's. However, to me this is not a clear advantage, and the OP is probably better served trusting his gut feeling and going with "fit" rather than scrutinizing over relatively small fellowship match differences from these two very good IM programs.

Yea, I mean there is a group of about 6-7 residency programs (MGH, BWH, UCSF, Hopkins, UPenn, Duke, Columbia?) that get almost all their residents into very strong fellowships. Mt. Sinai isn't in that group obviously...and even if you want to go into GI, those programs will be ahead of it.

And I agree, in terms of the 4 NYC programs, I think where you feel you would excel is what should make that decision, especially if you wouldn't mind doing a fellowship in NYC afterwards...You put genuine hard work in, and you'll probably get a solid fellowship. You can certainly get a strong GI match from any of those programs.

 

[tarlovcyst]

any thoughts? I am considering GI in the future-

Thanks for any info on program specifics/camraderie/happiness,etc-

Cornell had an amazing fellowship placement list, including in GI. But if you're gunning only for GI, I would have to go with Sinai.

Cedars Sinai, though a community program, has excellent teaching in the SoCal area. They have a renowned GI department, and the residents place very very well in GI.

If region doesn't bother you, I would go with Cedars.

If you meant Mt. Sinai, I would go with Cornell.

 

[yankeescard]

Cornell had an amazing fellowship placement list, including in GI. But if you're gunning only for GI, I would have to go with Sinai.

Cedars Sinai, though a community program, has excellent teaching in the SoCal area. They have a renowned GI department, and the residents place very very well in GI.

If region doesn't bother you, I would go with Cedars.

If you meant Mt. Sinai, I would go with Cornell.

I think the OP meant Mt. Sinai. I would disagree with tarlov as Mt. Sinai does have a phenomenal GI match year in and year out. If you are aiming for GI, I would go to Sinai over Cornell. Cornell is the better known program however and has a better rep outside of the NYC area. Chances are you probably won't have a problem with GI at either place so choose whichever place makes you happy! Good luck.

 

[Phineus]

I think the OP meant Mt. Sinai. I would disagree with tarlov as Mt. Sinai does have a phenomenal GI match year in and year out. If you are aiming for GI, I would go to Sinai over Cornell. Cornell is the better known program however and has a better rep outside of the NYC area. Chances are you probably won't have a problem with GI at either place so choose whichever place makes you happy! Good luck.

I am in a medical school in the South and I can tell you that the MSSM IM program reputation extends all the way down here. From talks with attending and the PD, its reputation is on par with Columbia, and ahead of Cornell i.e. Columbia = MSSM > Cornell. Unfortunately, I did not get an interview there so i was unable to identify why they thought so highly of the program.

Remember, everyone has their own rank list of IM program, This list is influenced by a myriad of factors that might not be apparent e.g. one might hate Cornell because they refused them admission for medical school, or one might place MSSM as the premier IM program in NYC because that is what their mentors thought it was.

 

[temmie]

I will add that in a previous thread in the GI forum, it was mentioned that several of the internal matches at Mt. Sinai's GI fellowship were chief residents who then did ANOTHER year of research. This was back in 2006 though, so I don't know if it still holds true. One also wonders if some of the higher profile GI matches at Sinai may have been chief residents as well.

Nexus, you bring up some overall valid points but like Mr/Ms Schizzles, i think MSSM is impressive, especially in the overall context of the other things such as quality of residents that makes it a very well run residency program with overall high resident satisfaction (this was surprisingly reinforced by some residents i met at other top NYC programs)

About their fellowship and chief resident point you brought up, they did mention who was a chief resident. So.... looking at my list.
In 2006- One chief went into GI and another into ID
2007- One chief went into GI and 2 other into pulm/crit
2008- 2 chiefs went into ID, one into cards and one into general medicine
2009- One went into General medicine and another into cards

So, in summary, it appears that on the contrary, only very few of the chiefs end up going into GI

Thanks

 

[pedronavaja2005]

Nexus, you bring up some overall valid points but like Mr/Ms Schizzles, i think MSSM is impressive, especially in the overall context of the other things such as quality of residents that makes it a very well run residency program with overall high resident satisfaction (this was surprisingly reinforced by some residents i met at other top NYC programs)

About their fellowship and chief resident point you brought up, they did mention who was a chief resident. So.... looking at my list.
In 2006- One chief went into GI and another into ID
2007- One chief went into GI and 2 other into pulm/crit
2008- 2 chiefs went into ID, one into cards and one into general medicine
2009- One went into General medicine and another into cards

So, in summary, it appears that on the contrary, only very few of the chiefs end up going into GI

I know that at least three of the current Sinai first year GI fellows were Sinai graduates and none were chiefs. There were 2 others that are first years at Hopkins, one which I definitely know wasn't a chief either.

 

[NEXUS 5]

About their fellowship and chief resident point you brought up, they did mention who was a chief resident. So.... looking at my list.
In 2006- One chief went into GI and another into ID
2007- One chief went into GI and 2 other into pulm/crit
2008- 2 chiefs went into ID, one into cards and one into general medicine
2009- One went into General medicine and another into cards

It does seem like there is discrepancy between this part of my post and what temmie listed here. There are two likely explanations. Either the prior thread to which I referred was plain erroneous, or it was outdated information. Again, the thread was posted in 2006, and referenced GI fellows at Sinai at the time. So these were fellows who matched circa 2002-2005.

 

[chitown82]

Both are excellent programs and you will do well at either one. I could only schedule one due to scheduling conflicts. My advisor mentioned the Cornell name will probably carry more weight overall and outside of NYC so I scheduled Cornell and had to decline Mt. Sinai. Just my two cents.

 

[tarlovcyst]

Both are excellent programs and you will do well at either one. I could only schedule one due to scheduling conflicts. My advisor mentioned the Cornell name will probably carry more weight overall and outside of NYC so I scheduled Cornell and had to decline Mt. Sinai. Just my two cents.

I'm glad you chose Cornell. Good choice. I loved Mt Sinai also, but as you get higher up in internal medicine, name matters more than reputation. MSSM may have a "better" GI program than Cornell, but in the overall context, Cornell is actually better.

MSSM is known in NY, but Cornell is known in the country. NYP is a top 10 hospital, while MSSM is not. You're starting to know this now, but as you get more and more specialized, this will matter.

And yes, in the small circles, people probably do consider MSSM better than Cornell, and you'll find the other way around too in other circles. But when you get outside of these circles and you meet people that don't have any clue of who is better than who, they will go by name alone.

Thanks for the thread.

 

[pedronavaja2005]

I know that New York Hospital is a great hospital overall but I think they are riding this New York Presbyterian merger on the overall national rankings. I think that for many of the specialities the high rankings are because of Columbia Presby rather than NYH. If they were to be ranked as separate entities, I'm not sure if Cornell would still be a "top ten" hospital.
From looking at their recent match lists it seems that many of the Cornell peeps stay in the NYC area (many at Cornell) for various fellowships.
Again, I don't think that everything else being equal, anyone will have problems securing a fellowship. Residents from both institutions go on to pursue fellowship at the top places in the country with little problem, so it will be a matter of which program is the best fit for you

 

[jbz24]

Digging up this thread from a couple of months ago...

Why is Cornell considered stronger for cardiology than Sinai? Seems like Sinai puts people into top 10 programs every year (Hopkins, Columbia, Penn, although no MGH/BWH recently) while Cornell doesn't (best I remember seeing is a Duke). Not that it matters for me anymore I guess, but just curious.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Digging up this thread from a couple of months ago...

Why is Cornell considered stronger for cardiology than Sinai? Seems like Sinai puts people into top 10 programs every year (Hopkins, Columbia, Penn, although no MGH/BWH recently) while Cornell doesn't (best I remember seeing is a Duke). Not that it matters for me anymore I guess, but just curious.

Simple, because Mt. Sinai does not put people in top 10 programs every year. On their web site they have matches listed for 2005, 06, and 07...Only one person went to a top 10 program, which was Duke. Another person was doing CV research at MGH, but doubtful they will get a fellowship out of that at MGH. As far as 2008, 2009, they placed one person at Columbia. So 2 top 10 matches in 5 years. Now you're right that Cornell does not do better in this regard, BUT, inhouse fellowship at Cornell is considered stronger than at Sinai. (I think the top 10 or so cards fellowships are JHU, MGH, BWH, CCF, THI/Baylor, UCSF, Stanford, Duke, Columbia, Upenn, Emory. )

Where Sinai has Cornell beat for sure is in GI. Likewise Cornell has an edge in heme-onc, although Sinai people get to MSKCC too.

 

[jbz24]

Sinai also sent one to Hopkins last year and another a couple of years ago. And there's 1-2 at Penn. Pretty sure those are for cardiology fellowships and not research years.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hear...9C&directory=1B2D0F30B59D39A341B0C23CB2B204D9

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hear...8E&directory=1B2D0F30B59D39A341B0C23CB2B204D9

http://www.med.upenn.edu/cvi/education_fellows.shtml

Oh and I don't think inhouse Cornell is considered better than Sinai. They're about the same from what I've heard.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Sinai also sent one to Hopkins last year and another a couple of years ago. And there's 1-2 at Penn. Pretty sure those are for cardiology fellowships and not research years.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hear...9C&directory=1B2D0F30B59D39A341B0C23CB2B204D9

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hear...8E&directory=1B2D0F30B59D39A341B0C23CB2B204D9

http://www.med.upenn.edu/cvi/education_fellows.shtml

Oh and I don't think inhouse Cornell is considered better than Sinai. They're about the same from what I've heard.

Considering they were both IMGs, it is quite possible that the Mt. SInai program they attended was actually one of the affiliate programs, not the main MSSM program. This has been discussed before, but yes IMGs with great stats and publications can get into top level fellowships after they pay their dues at community type residency programs, IF, they can get their VISA/green card issues straightened away.

 

[jbz24]

No, those were definitely at the main program.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

No, those were definitely at the main program.

I don't recall there being any IMGs in the program from my interview day, but it is possible I suppose.

 

[jbz24]

They take 1-2 IMGs every year. I'm a student at Sinai and I know for a fact those 2 were in the main program.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

They take 1-2 IMGs every year. I'm a student at Sinai and I know for a fact those 2 were in the main program.

In that case you can't really compare anyway, the IMGs who get into programs like this usually have unbelievable stats, better than a lot of AMGs who go to the big 4 programs.

 

[Snuffbox]

During my Sinai interview, many residents explicitly told me that the cardiology exposure as a resident was minimal relative to other programs. A non-teaching service handles things like "simple" CHF exacerbations. A couple even told me that Sinai might not be the best choice for cardiology interested individuals- of course, I was talking to a room of residents interested in a GI fellowship!

If I wanted to do GI, Sinai probably would have been at the top of my match list. Cornell is a better fit for cardiology IMHO. I'm biased because two great cardio attendings at my school trained or were faculty at Cornell recently 🙂

 

[jbz24]

In that case you can't really compare anyway, the IMGs who get into programs like this usually have unbelievable stats, better than a lot of AMGs who go to the big 4 programs.

I guess not but Cornell takes 1-2 IMGs every year as well, so opportunities should be equal.

 

[jbz24]

During my Sinai interview, many residents explicitly told me that the cardiology exposure as a resident was minimal relative to other programs. A non-teaching service handles things like "simple" CHF exacerbations. A couple even told me that Sinai might not be the best choice for cardiology interested individuals- of course, I was talking to a room of residents interested in a GI fellowship!

If I wanted to do GI, Sinai probably would have been at the top of my match list. Cornell is a better fit for cardiology IMHO. I'm biased because two great cardio attendings at my school trained or were faculty at Cornell recently 🙂

Interesting, maybe that is the reason why. Sinai is definitely more GI focused.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

I guess not but Cornell takes 1-2 IMGs every year as well, so opportunities should be equal.

Something doesn't quite add up. One of the two Hopkins fellows you mentioned, she is listed on MSSM website as having gone to Montefiore to do her fellowship in cards. I wonder if perhaps she's pursuing some very specialized training at Hopkins at the time, and is in fact not in the main cardiology fellowship program there.

 

[jbz24]

Something doesn't quite add up. One of the two Hopkins fellows you mentioned, she is listed on MSSM website as having gone to Montefiore to do her fellowship in cards. I wonder if perhaps she's pursuing some very specialized training at Hopkins at the time, and is in fact not in the main cardiology fellowship program there.

Not sure, but she's listed as a cardiology fellow year 3 at Hopkins.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Not sure, but she's listed as a cardiology fellow year 3 at Hopkins.

Yea, I looked at the list of names on the list of fellows on Hopkins website. While some appear to be in the actual cards fellowship there, as well as the EP/interventional fellows, there are some names on there listed as being caridology fellows there, but which don't really appear to be cards fellows there. There is one person from UMn for example, and I don't see anyone having gone on to Hopkins on UMn's im website. So I think it may be misleading on the Hopkins website, perhaps including people who are just there essentially visiting to complete a particular aspect of their training. It isn't hard to get to places like Hopkins for superspecialized aspects of training, because most people don't want to put in the extra time. I don't really know enough about cards to comment further on what additional kind of training they may be receiving there in their 3rd years.

 

[jbz24]

Yea, I looked at the list of names on the list of fellows on Hopkins website. While some appear to be in the actual cards fellowship there, as well as the EP/interventional fellows, there are some names on there listed as being caridology fellows there, but which don't really appear to be cards fellows there. There is one person from UMn for example, and I don't see anyone having gone on to Hopkins on UMn's im website. So I think it may be misleading on the Hopkins website, perhaps including people who are just there essentially visiting to complete a particular aspect of their training. It isn't hard to get to places like Hopkins for superspecialized aspects of training, because most people don't want to put in the extra time. I don't really know enough about cards to comment further on what additional kind of training they may be receiving there in their 3rd years.

Weird discrepancy. I just realized the other guy isn't listed on Sinai's fellowship list either, even though I'm positive he matched at Hopkins for cardiology fellowship.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Weird discrepancy. I just realized the other guy isn't listed on Sinai's fellowship list either, even though I'm positive he matched at Hopkins for cardiology fellowship.

It could be for cardiac imaging or something like that too, people sometimes do a 1 year fellowship in that prior to starting their main fellowship.

 

[jbz24]

It could be for cardiac imaging or something like that too, people sometimes do a 1 year fellowship in that prior to starting their main fellowship.

No he's definitely doing the main cardiology fellowship. I'm positive about that.