Correlation w/ scribe performance

[JimmyB123]

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If someone is a really good ER scribe, are they more likely to be a good medical student or physician in the future? Conversely, if someone sucks at scribing, will they be a poor physician in the future?

 

[WillburCobb]

If someone is a really good ER scribe, are they more likely to be a good medical student or physician in the future? Conversely, if someone sucks at scribing, will they be a poor physician in the future?

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[Sandmeezy]

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[mehc012]

If someone is a really good ER scribe, are they more likely to be a good medical student or physician in the future? Conversely, if someone sucks at scribing, will they be a poor physician in the future?

I would figure that if you suck at scribing - like, just cannot figure out what is important, how to write a reasonable note, how to get the info you need (from nursing homes, doc's exchanges, etc), those are things you will struggle with in the future.
However, there is a lot more to being a physician than just that, so being a good scribe in no way means that you'll be a good doc, and sucking at scribing doesn't mean you'll necessarily suck at other aspects of being a doctor, though it doesn't bode well for your efficiency.

 

[DermViser]

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[zzxxzz]

If you suck at scribing, you'd probably be a terrible physician.

If you're good at scribing, you'd probably be a great secretary or stenographer.

 

[petyr_baelish]

Interesting question. It's hard to know as a pre-med how scribing and being a good/bad doctor is correlated. Anyone on the other side have any input?

 

[studentdocftw]

If you suck at scribing...working in the chart will suck as a physician. If you're good at scribing..charting will be a breeze. The only thing scribing predicts, IMO, is how quickly and effectively you can work in the EMR.

 

[takeurmeds02]

If you suck at scribing...working in the chart will suck as a physician. If you're good at scribing..charting will be a breeze. The only thing scribing predicts, IMO, is how quickly and effectively you can work in the EMR.

Meh, I disagree a bit. As a scribe, I believe the clerical part is easy enough and only makes you a competent scribe. Being a good scribe is learning how to see patterns and anticipate the medical decision making based on presentation. You may only know a cursory mechanism behind it, if any at all, but it will make it that much easier to connect the dots later when you actually start learning the why's. This is all necessitating that you make it past your med school's version of basic sciences lol.

Also inherent in noticing patterns, you get numerous examples of various bedside techniques and how to ask the right questions.

 

[studentdocftw]

Yes. But the amount of knowledge a scribe has pales in comparison to 7 years + dedicated towards medicine. This isn't to say being a scribe doesn't have its advantages (hey, I'm a scribe myself), but to correlate a scribe position with future doctor performance is a long shot. What we learn as a scribe, every student will learn in medical school at some point. Medicine is a life long pursuit....will students with scribing experience have a leg up in medical school? definitely, particularly with clinical skills. will they be better doctors long term? I don't think one could predict that.

 

[mehc012]

Yes. But the amount of knowledge a scribe has pales in comparison to 7 years + dedicated towards medicine. This isn't to say being a scribe doesn't have its advantages (hey, I'm a scribe myself), but to correlate a scribe position with future doctor performance is a long shot. What we learn as a scribe, every student will learn in medical school at some point. Medicine is a life long pursuit....will students with scribing experience have a leg up in medical school? definitely, particularly with clinical skills. will they be better doctors long term? I don't think one could predict that.

I don't think anyone is claiming that what you learn as a scribe will help you be a better doctor. It seems more that they're suggesting perhaps some of the qualities that are required to be a good scribe are the same that will later make a good physician...such as being observant, multitasking, being able to keep track of many patients at once and juggle their various timelines, fill out terrible EMRs, coordinate with other staff and also track down consults, etc.

 

[studentdocftw]

In that case, everyone break out a dance in agreement. here's mine

 

[mehc012]

 

[gmbz]

Have you ever read a surgery note? I don't think there is a correlation between the quality of a note and your abilities.

 

[mehc012]

Have you ever read a surgery note? I don't think there is a correlation between the quality of a note and your abilities.

Yeah, I have...but the actual writing of the note is the least part of scribing. It's gathering the information you need to do so, on multiple patients at a time, and keeping your doc on track/updated on each one without interfering with their concentration.

 

[Planes2Doc]

If your performance as a scribe had any correlation with your performance as a physician (or medical student), then it would be a requirement. There's a reason why pre-meds aren't actually expected to learn any specific skills when they are doing their "clinical experience" activities. Medical schools start you from step one. Never have I felt inferior to any fellow classmates that worked entry-level clinical jobs as pre-meds. And like I say, your goal is to become a physician, not a professional scribe, CNA, EMT, phlebotomist, etc... Every one of these jobs have different tasks and have their own place in healthcare. So to answer your question, it's NO.

 

[gmbz]

You sir, are the exception to the rule!

 

[gmbz]

Eh.. I mean you might be with a good group and yourself a great charter. However I would say my experience suggests the former.

The point I was trying to make is that you shouldn't use that as a gauge of capability.