Could a person score well on the MCAT without ever taking courses?

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Can a person score fairly well on the MCAT by just going over the Kaplan/MCAT review material without having taken any of the class subjects during school? In otherwords, can a person pick up MCAT review material, try to understand the concepts it summarizes(without prior knowledge of them) and hope to do well on the MCAT?

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it depends, but my answer would be yes. Some prep materials are really condensed, designed for people who just want to "refresh." Others cover the material fairly deep, so that people who didn't take courses or those who never understood the concept can start over from scratch.

hope this helps.
 
osjx-82 said:
it depends, but my answer would be yes. Some prep materials are really condensed, designed for people who just want to "refresh." Others cover the material fairly deep, so that people who didn't take courses or those who never understood the concept can start over from scratch.

hope this helps.

Thanks, I don't know if I'm the only one here....but there are just some material that I jsut can't remember even when I passed the class with an A (this is what I get for being good at cramming 🙁 )
 
There is an MCAT teacher here, Shrike, whom got a very very very high score only taking Physics.

However, that is extremely rare unless you are a genius like him 😉 😉

So I would recommend you take the prereqs first.
 
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I suppose it is feasible, depending on the depth of your studies from high school. Definitely not a good idea, but there is no absolute requirement that demands you take the pre-req courses in order to register and sit for the MCAT.
 
gujuDoc said:
There is an MCAT teacher here, Shrike, whom got a very very very high score only taking Physics.

However, that is extremely rare unless you are a genius like him 😉 😉

So I would recommend you take the prereqs first.
He was actually my prep course teacher, and yes, he really is a genius. His results are most definitely not typical. I recommend taking a prep course because I know I could not have been as prepared studying on my own. But I guess it just depends on how well you know the material before you start studying.
 
chaeymaey said:
He was actually my prep course teacher, and yes, he really is a genius. His results are most definitely not typical. I recommend taking a prep course because I know I could not have been as prepared studying on my own. But I guess it just depends on how well you know the material before you start studying.

edit: eh nevermind. just ignore me.
 
take the pre-reqs man. and do well in them. very well. learn the material in those classes very well, because if you do it there you won't have to do it when studying for the mcat. i learned orgo and gen chem real well when i took the actual class so i didn't have to study that part for the mcat. (i did however study a lot for physicis and bio) work your butt off in those classes and that's the best way to study for the mcat.
 
chaeymaey said:
He was actually my prep course teacher, and yes, he really is a genius. His results are most definitely not typical. I recommend taking a prep course because I know I could not have been as prepared studying on my own. But I guess it just depends on how well you know the material before you start studying.


Wow Shrike was your teacher. I wish he was here at our TPR center, to kick some of these not so good Verbal teachers out and take over. :laugh: :laugh: 😀

But seriously, I agree with both your assessments.
 
AcousticDoc said:
Can a person score fairly well on the MCAT by just going over the Kaplan/MCAT review material without having taken any of the class subjects during school? In otherwords, can a person pick up MCAT review material, try to understand the concepts it summarizes(without prior knowledge of them) and hope to do well on the MCAT?

Absolutely! Don't let the fact that medical schools won't accept you without the pre-requisite courses deter you. I'm a big believer in short cuts too. 😀
 
Odd to find that I am an ancillary subject of this thread. Thank you, those of you who've said nice (albeit somewhat embarassing) things. (I admit to being curious re what was in the redacted post.)

Yes, it is possible, as you probably suspected. You have to be a very good testtaker. You also need some knowledge of science -- I got mine from AP physics, chemistry, and biology (all before some of y'all were born), plus TPR materials. The TPR stuff was plenty for filling in the numerous holes in my biology and g-chem knowledge, but o-chem hasn't clicked yet.

I do not recommend this method to anyone whose career is riding on the result.
 
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I haven't taken O-chem yet. I hate how everyone keeps saying it's super duper hard...What ever happen to Positive attitudes people!?
 
AcousticDoc said:
I haven't taken O-chem yet. I hate how everyone keeps saying it's super duper hard...What ever happen to Positive attitudes people!?


Ochm is hard, but if you practice enough, you'll get through it. However, positive attitudes only carry you so far, it is how much you know the material in the end that will carry you through the MCAT, and how well you know how to take a passage based timed test.
 
gujuDoc said:
Ochm is hard, but if you practice enough, you'll get through it. However, positive attitudes only carry you so far, it is how much you know the material in the end that will carry you through the MCAT, and how well you know how to take a passage based timed test.

how similar is O-chem to Gen chem?
 
O chem is not that hard. It just requires a lot of study time. It is manageable like any other topic, but you just have to be disciplined enough to study everyday. My saying when I was took it was " an hour a day keeps the bad grades away."
 
AcousticDoc said:
how similar is O-chem to Gen chem?


They are like comparing apples to oranges.

OCHM involves more structure based chemistry then calculations. In fact, with the exception of percent yields in the lab portion, there is no calculations at all.

Ochem is learning how to push electrons and do mechanisms and synthesis problems.

The only thing you take away from genchem that is similar to ochm is the part where you learned the meaning of sp, sp2, and sp3. Oh and a few very simple basic pka concepts, however...... no calculations of pka's, just the trends.
 
Fenrezz said:
Absolutely! Don't let the fact that medical schools won't accept you without the pre-requisite courses deter you. I'm a big believer in short cuts too. 😀



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
gujuDoc said:
The only thing you take away from genchem that is similar to ochm is the part where you learned the meaning of sp, sp2, and sp3. Oh and a few very simple basic pka concepts, however...... no calculations of pka's, just the trends.

You only need knowledge of orbital shells for O-chem? That's good to know. I got a B in chemistry :-(
 
AcousticDoc said:
Can a person score fairly well on the MCAT by just going over the Kaplan/MCAT review material without having taken any of the class subjects during school? In otherwords, can a person pick up MCAT review material, try to understand the concepts it summarizes(without prior knowledge of them) and hope to do well on the MCAT?

You really have the question backwards. You can do well on the MCAT having taken the prerequisite classes, and not going through review material (e.g. Kaplan, Princeton Review). Of course, if you slack off during classes, it'll reflect on your MCAT score. The problem with trying to learn everything from review books is that they leave out a lot of the finer points, which reinforce concepts. And then, you also have to look at it on a class-by-class basis. Physics and bio you can teach yourself pretty easily. Chemistry, on the other hand, lab helps quite a lot. You can "read" about TLC & spectroscopy, but it makes a whole lot more sense if you actually do the experiments. The same can be said about gravimetric analysis, titrations, etc. I haven't done O-Chem yet, but I imagine its the same situation. As for Kaplan/Princeton Review, these are what the name says - review courses. You be the judge: could you pass the bio final at your uni, if your only knowledge is from a review book? My guess is that these review courses have a certain expectation when you take them, e.g. you can differentiate between a solar cell, prison cell, and living cell. And that your knowledge of living cells goes beyond "uh, it can cause cancer man, if it spreads like crazy." They would expect you to have been exposed to mitosis, meiosis, the electron transport chain, Krebs Cycle, cell cycle, the cytoskeleton, cell structure, DNA, RNA, basic Mendelian genetics, etc. And I would guess, if your intention was to go to med school, it would be helpful to know about specialized cells, e.g. neuron, cardiac muscle cells, hepatocytes, epithelial cells, etc: where these can be found, their function, turnover rate, etc. Review books can't go into detail about these things, or they'd turn into textbooks. So in the final analysis, you're better off taking the classes. Review books will help you organize your thoughts, with a specific emphasis on the MCAT. This is good, given the sheer volume of info you'll be dealing with.

One more point: I think its already been mentioned, if you're really great in say, physics, it may help you with say, chemistry. Thats because theres an overlap; e.g. thermodynamics, QM, etc. But I doubt anyone will want to take 1.5 yrs of calculus, plus the DE class after that, plus about 6 or 7 physics classes, just to avoid taking a gen chem class. The "help" comes with a heavy pricetag.
 
HistoRocks said:
You really have the question backwards. You can do well on the MCAT having taken the prerequisite classes, and not going through review material (e.g. Kaplan, Princeton Review). Of course, if you slack off during classes, it'll reflect on your MCAT score. The problem with trying to learn everything from review books is that they leave out a lot of the finer points, which reinforce concepts. And then, you also have to look at it on a class-by-class basis. Physics and bio you can teach yourself pretty easily. Chemistry, on the other hand, lab helps quite a lot. You can "read" about TLC & spectroscopy, but it makes a whole lot more sense if you actually do the experiments. The same can be said about gravimetric analysis, titrations, etc. I haven't done O-Chem yet, but I imagine its the same situation. As for Kaplan/Princeton Review, these are what the name says - review courses. You be the judge: could you pass the bio final at your uni, if your only knowledge is from a review book? My guess is that these review courses have a certain expectation when you take them, e.g. you can differentiate between a solar cell, prison cell, and living cell. And that your knowledge of living cells goes beyond "uh, it can cause cancer man, if it spreads like crazy." They would expect you to have been exposed to mitosis, meiosis, the electron transport chain, Krebs Cycle, cell cycle, the cytoskeleton, cell structure, DNA, RNA, basic Mendelian genetics, etc. And I would guess, if your intention was to go to med school, it would be helpful to know about specialized cells, e.g. neuron, cardiac muscle cells, hepatocytes, epithelial cells, etc: where these can be found, their function, turnover rate, etc. Review books can't go into detail about these things, or they'd turn into textbooks. So in the final analysis, you're better off taking the classes. Review books will help you organize your thoughts, with a specific emphasis on the MCAT. This is good, given the sheer volume of info you're expected to deal with.

thanks, I appreciate the long, honest and to the point post. I'm just getting paranoid because it seems that I can only vagulely remember things after I take a class. I gotta learn how to stop this and retain my memory better.
 
AcousticDoc said:
thanks, I appreciate the long, honest and to the point post. I'm just getting paranoid because it seems that I can only vagulely remember things after I take a class. I gotta learn how to stop this and retain my memory better.

I have the same prob. I can remember physics coz' I've been doing it forever. Bio on the other hand... I can remember anatomy/physio, but the evolution, genetics, diversity stuff - I'll need a couple huge review books for that. The prob is I have absolutely no interest in that stuff... I can't see the relevence of ecohabitats or evolution to an operating room (where I want to work, eventually). I mean, does it matter if the patient evolved from a chimp or a cockroach... I could care less... genetics okay, I can't stand that either, but it has some relevency to disease, and ppl aren't going to court over it. This is what my brain tells me whenever I try to read up on those topics. Chem - chem is cool. I dunno quite y, but I def enjoy it. And its not too stressful either. Anyway, this is where my MCAT review is headed... I'll be focusing primarily on genetics & the bio II stuff, hopefully spending more time on it than I do now (zilch).......
 
HistoRocks said:
I have the same prob. I can remember physics coz' I've been doing it forever. Bio on the other hand... I can remember anatomy/physio, but the evolution, genetics, diversity stuff - I'll need a couple huge review books for that. The prob is I have absolutely no interest in that stuff... I can't see the relevence of ecohabitats or evolution to an operating room (where I want to work, eventually). I mean, does it matter if the patient evolved from a chimp or a cockroach... I could care less... genetics okay, I can't stand that either, but it has some relevency to disease, and ppl aren't going to court over it. This is what my brain tells me whenever I try to read up on those topics. Chem - chem is cool. I dunno quite y, but I def enjoy it. And its not too stressful either. Anyway, this is where my MCAT review is headed... I'll be focusing primarily on genetics & the bio II stuff, hopefully spending more time on it than I do now (zilch).......

Histo rock you are like the exact opposite of me! I love Bio but hate Chem. :scared:
 
I haven't taken O-chem yet. I hate how everyone keeps saying it's super duper hard...What ever happen to Positive attitudes people!?

I dunno if this will qualify as a positive attitude, but it may be usefull: Nearly everyone that I've talked to that said O-Chem was ungodly hard said something similar to 'The prof says ochem is all concept, but he's full of it. It's all memorization!', and generally did poorly. The people who do well and think it isn't too bad tended to think the class was, as the prof said, mostly concepts.

When you get around to taking it, try to understand the stuff. Trying to memorize your way through it will cause you no end of pain.
 
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