CP call coverage in the community setting

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When one is AP/CP and practicing in a community setting, what is the extent of your CP practice typically? I.e. are you covering the blood bank regularly? Honest to god, blood bank calls make me want to slit my wrists. How bad is it in community practice? Because I'll just skip CP all together if I have to cover the blood bank.
 
I can only speak from the perspective of someone training in transfusion medicine, and starting a career in academic transfusion medicine. Having said that, I've seen many colleagues who have gone into community practice suprised at how much blood bank coverage was required. You really will limit yourself if you want a community practice pathology gig, but don't do both AP and CP training.
What is it that bugs you about the calls? Maybe it is something particular to your institution, not necessarily blood banking itself.
 
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My specific aversion is talking to clinicians on the phone about managing blood products. I don't have a problem with talking to clinicians in other settings such as reporting frozen sections, so it's the potential for conflict in blood banking that I dislike. I've encountered more conflicts in this setting than on any other rotation I've been on, and if that's how it is in community practice then I'd prefer to avoid it all together. I know it seems like I'm whining, but I want a job that makes me happy, and some of these blood bank calls get me so worked up that I have trouble falling asleep at night.
 
Well, I can understand where you are coming from--transfusion issues can potentially involve a lot of conflict with clinicians. Conflict and confrontation doesn't bother me terribly, but I've seen peers who seriously would rather do just about anything than get into an argument. Surgeons in particular can be rough for some, because they are trained to be very "assertive", and they really don't like hearing "no".

Some suggestions I can make to help with this:

1. Particularly during the day, if there is a call that is a potential source of conflict, go to the site of the problem. A bleeder in the OR? Get in there. Some team on the floor insisting on getting the INR down to 1.4 before dropping a line and flooding some cirrhotic patient with liters of FFP to do that? Go face to face with the resident/fellow to talk about it. One of the biggest complaints I've heard from clinicans about pathologists is that they manage from their office or home, and don't care enough to show up to discuss things. Believe me when I say that they will respect you more (and more importantly, listen more to what you say) when you are saying it to their face than to a phone speaker.

Even if you are still learning about how to manage a particular patient, and you feel you don't have a lot to contribute, just showing up with a "how can I help you" attitude will go far in diffusing tensions. Make it clear in every call you handle that you both share the same concern: getting the best care possible to their patient.

2. If I get a questionable order (i.e. someone ordering 12 units of FFP for something that doesn't make sense), and it sounds like the case has potential to be time sensitive, I'll send along a small portion of the order (i.e. 3 units) right away, then call to sort things out. I'll start the conversation with "Hi, heard about the issue, 3 units are on the way, but can you fill me in on what's going on?" This starts things off on a cooperative note, and they will be more inclined to agree when you say "I think this may not be necessary, and here's why".

3. Sometimes you are just going to run into some pissant resident/fellow who is trying to assert their authority. At this point in the game, you have to reconcile yourself that some discussions have to occur between attendings. Know when to throw in the towel and call in the cavalry. But ask your attending to listen to them, and how they handle it.

4. It goes without saying that if you know your facts, you will be much better armed to argue with someone if it comes to that. Know indications of blood products, and better than that, know the literature *why* those indications are in place.

I know it probably doesn't help you much to say this, but conflict is going to happen in your career/life, period. It really is good for you to learn to deal with this and not run away by dropping CP (and shooting yourself in the foot careerwise to boot) . Perhaps picking up a book on conflict resolution (Try "Getting to Yes" by Fisher and Ury to start) will be helpful. Look at blood bank call as a good practice for developing these skills. Realize that "soft skills" like negotiation and conflict resolution actually will make a big impact on your career in the future. Take two candidates with roughly equal skills, and its a good bet that the person who gets along well, can negotiate contracts, and resolve issues between individuals and groups will have swifter and higher career advancement.

Good luck, and don't give up yet.
 
Anna provides good advice. A lot of the reason people don't like calls to clinicians is lack of experience or expertise. It is very easy to get intimidated or feel uncomfortable when the person on the other end of the line knows more about blood product indication and usage than you do. It's hard to turn down, for example, a heme-onc asking for extra platelets and FFP on a patient that they are an expert in. It's their job.

You help yourself by being familiar with your own center's policies and procedures and with the common indications. And at least in residency, there is always backup. I remember getting a phone call once from an OR (heart case going south) and they had already taken 10 platelet five packs and then ordered 5 more. At that point we had in the entire blood bank 7 platelet five packs and weren't getting the new delivery for at least 3-4 hours. So we had to have a discussion, and I told the surgeon the situation and it went a lot easier.

And yes, while it is annoying to negotiate all the time there are strategies you can use and information that can help you. And being informed is the best defense.
 
When one is AP/CP and practicing in a community setting, what is the extent of your CP practice typically? I.e. are you covering the blood bank regularly? Honest to god, blood bank calls make me want to slit my wrists. How bad is it in community practice? Because I'll just skip CP all together if I have to cover the blood bank.

You want to know real life in the clinical path side of a community hospital? The lab wnats you to use your medical expertise for little things like a person with a 8.5 hgb whose doc ordered 4 units of PRBC's to be transfused and wants 2 more on hold with platelelts and FFP's..The patient is not an active GI bleeder..but just on the low side.....not going to have surgery tmw either....

For the last 4 months..the red cross has had a desperately low volume of O+ blood and B+ blood with minial volumes of ABP plasma... YOur lab is getting less than 1/3 of normal volume delivered.... you are a tier III trauma hopsital and you have 7 units o+ and 2 units O - on hand due to the shortage...a major traffic accident has just happened on the turnpike outside your hospital..you are being asked to triage resources...... and it is 3 am....where are you going to get the blood..and who do you allow the scarces resources to go to first??

This is life in the fast lane kiddo.....get real
 
dermpathdoc, that's enough to make me want to go academic.

Thanks for the info and advice. Especially what Anna Plastic said, that's certainly something to think about.
 
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