Crap...got caught!!

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hey guys....this happened to my friend recently as he was applying to a program in philly. He applied to IM and surg at the same place. honestly, he wanted surg but applied to IM "as a backup" (his statement, not mine) He had his interview for IM and then was called for his interview in surg later in the same month. While he was taking a tour of the hospital on his SURG interview, he LITERALLY ran into the IM PD! 😱 😱 😱 He didn't match at that place in either.

Has anything like this happeend to any one out there in SDN world!?!?! If it did, what did you do?
 
That is the kiss of death. Also, don't forget the IM PD has a telephone, and can easily call the surgery PD, not to mention any other IM PD that may bring up an applicant's name...
 
Are these places so diluted as to think you're only going to apply for their school and one program? I know I don't have the right mentality, but I'd take it as a compliment to the institution if he's willing to apply to two residencies there (must be a good place to do your residency)...

Mastashake
 
I guess it depends on what is personal statement said, or what he said during interview. If he said things like he was born to do IM, and always yearned to be a rheumatologist, then he'd look like a real tool following this surgeon around..and who knows what he told the surgery PD?

Just my opinion...
 
Mastashake said:
Are these places so diluted as to think you're only going to apply for their school and one program? I know I don't have the right mentality, but I'd take it as a compliment to the institution if he's willing to apply to two residencies there (must be a good place to do your residency)...

Mastashake

...hey carl...

PDs know you are going to apply to other programs, but they are looking for residents truly committed to their specialty. Why waste a spot on someone who might not really want to be a ________ when you have many more applicants/interviewees than positions? They probably arent looking for compliments regarding their institution - if they werent proud of it, they probably wouldnt be a PD there, or at least would be looking for their way out.

aquateen is the greatest.
 
I have a hard time understanding how someone who is just starting 4th year electives can be "truly committed" to their specialty...Most students, at the time of submission of their ERAS apps, dont truly know what is in store for them in any given area, dont you think? Sure, you might have spent a few days or a month rotating somewhere - but its fair to say that most students are a wreck trying to decide what to focus on applying for. This is pretty GENERAL but you know what I mean.
 
True, you can't be sure that you will absolutely like a specalty intil you are in it for a while.

However, I think the committment referred to is the comittment to match in that specialty. Specialties like surgery are pretty used to people leaving after a year or two when they decide they don't like it as much as they thought. (in fact, many anesthesia programs keep a few spots open out of the match for surgery residents who bail out of surgery)

Applying to IM as a backup for surgery is a bad plan, especially at the same place. The backup plan for not matching in surgery is to scramble into a prelim surgery spot.
 
unfortunately, we kinda lost track and i have no idea what he is doing now (either IM OR surg or even where he is)....i know i am making an assumption here, but his sudden lack of communications to almost everyone tells me that something "bad" (for a lack of a word) probably happened...he was my ex-girlfriend's brother, so its not like i can even call to find out....i hope he is well


anyways, someone else had also written that there are quite a handful of students that have not truly decided what they wanna be by their 4th year...and lets face it, there are also quite a handful of students that TRULY DO have an interest in more than 1 thing and could see themselves doing EITHER. I can think of atleast 10 med school friends of mine (fellow 4th years) that could just as easily do IM (and have a strong interest in it) as they could do, say, EM. They are BOTH very attractive for different reasons. One of my friends loves looking at CTs, x-rays, MRs, etc.. While I wondered if he sniffed glue as a little child, I can see his perspective. He said he would LOVE to do radio but doesn't know if he'll get in; however, he also loves medicine (nephro) and would just as equally love to that as a career. He doesn't mind the lack of patient communication (rad), but also knows he won't have to put up with certain patient's BS, non-compliance, drug-seeking behaviors (during residency), when to call or when not to call DYFUS for SUSPECTED child abuse, etc.etc. I think you get the point. While I admit that these are just a few examples, I wouldn't doubt it if there are a handful of students at YOUR med school or residents at YOUR institution who didn't face this "dilemma."

I will admit that this probably doesn't relate to certain fields of medicine (irrespective of $$), such as derm (God help me if I sit there and pop pimples all day...I know...I know...there's more to it than that so please don't every future derm doc go down my throat, but derm is not my "calling."), ortho (banging away with a glorified hammer and chisel...once again, JUST my opinion), ob/gyn (I'll just leave that one alone 😀 ), etc. But, what about someone who likes IM and loves kids too. They could do either. I think this ambivalence permeates more in the primary care fields (IM, Peds, FP) than it does in "specialized" fields.

Anyways...has what happened to my friend above happened to anyone else?

If this happened to you (HYPOTHETICALLY or even realistically--b/c you plan on applying to more than 1 specialty), what WOULD you do about it? Now, keep in mind that once you are at the interview, telling the PD that you are interested in other fields of medicine MAY deter them from ranking you.

Thoughts? Opinions?
 
PDs are full of it. Just suck it up and move on.
 
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