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[No1 Pusher]

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Creatine Ethyl Ester Hcl. (dietary supplement)

I use CEE for working out and mannn this thing taste 200% bitter, It almost made me puke lol. Does anyone know what I can mix this with so that I don't taste the bitterness without losing its strength?

Based on my research, If you mix CEE with water and if you let it sit for too long it will lose the strength. I also heard from others that mixing it with Orange Juice will also lose the strength of it. I can't find the answer anywhere on google. Anyone?

 

[yawj797]

CEE? dude, just use steroids.

 

[No1 Pusher]

lol

 

[12345]

strange topic for this board. Just mix it with apple juice and you are fine. Also how long have you been working out and what is your weight? If you are new to weight training, just make sure you are eating alot and working hard and lifting heavy and you will get stronger, you don't really need to worry about supplements. Not to mention supplements are not regulated by the FDA for efficacy and purity, but creatine is one of the most researched supplements so it is one of the few I would consider taking.

 

[Aznfarmerboi]

To find out what you can mix it with, I would call up the manufactuer. However I dont know if I can trust them. The best thing to do IMO is put it into a gelatin capsule.

 

[GreenMonster]

Not to mention supplements are not regulated by the FDA for efficacy and purity, but creatine is one of the most researched supplements so it is one of the few I would consider taking.

creatine monohydrate is much much more tested and researched than creatine ethyl ester

 

[12345]

creatine monohydrate is much much more tested and researched than creatine ethyl ester

yeah I guess I didn't specify which one I was talking about.

 

[No1 Pusher]

strange topic for this board. Just mix it with apple juice and you are fine. Also how long have you been working out and what is your weight? If you are new to weight training, just make sure you are eating alot and working hard and lifting heavy and you will get stronger, you don't really need to worry about supplements. Not to mention supplements are not regulated by the FDA for efficacy and purity, but creatine is one of the most researched supplements so it is one of the few I would consider taking.

🙂 I thought this board is the perfect place to post since most are experts on chemicals. I thought Pharmacist might know more info since CEE are also used in emergency applications in the treatment of neuromuscular disorders. btw, don't they sell creatine and protein shakes at a pharmacy? It has to be pharmacy related lol😉

 

[Caverject]

🙂 I thought Pharmacist might know more info since CEE are also used in emergency applications in the treatment of neuromuscular disorders.

Please educate all of us on this since you know so much about this subject area. I've been doing pharmacy now for only 9 years and this is the first I have heard of a real application for this non-sense. The only study I remember was something that was done in Canada back in 1999 that didn't really show much of anything and haven't heard anything about it since. So please...enlighten us all and tell us what this is all about.

 

[No1 Pusher]

creatine monohydrate is much much more tested and researched than creatine ethyl ester

True it's tried and tested, but it is also a fact that Creatine Monohydrate doesn't easily absorbed as fast as CEE. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect. One of the side effect of Creatine Monohydrate is Bloating. Man I remember when I took Creatine Mono, it made my face fat lol.

 

[No1 Pusher]

Please educate all of us on this since you know so much about this subject area. I've been doing pharmacy now for only 9 years and this is the first I have heard of a real application for this non-sense. The only study I remember was something that was done in Canada back in 1999 that didn't really show much of anything and haven't heard anything about it since. So please...enlighten us all and tell us what this is all about.

lol I dont know much about it. I read it somewhere before. You could be right though lol. Here's a link about creatine treatment for neuromuscular disorder. It doesn't tell much. 🙁
http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004760.html

 

[Requiem]

Please educate all of us on this since you know so much about this subject area. I've been doing pharmacy now for only 9 years and this is the first I have heard of a real application for this non-sense. The only study I remember was something that was done in Canada back in 1999 that didn't really show much of anything and haven't heard anything about it since. So please...enlighten us all and tell us what this is all about.

I'll educate you: Stop being an ass!

Two scientific studies have indicated that creatine may be beneficial for neuromuscular disorders. First, a study (Klivenyi et al. 1999) by MDA-funded researcher M. Flint Beal of Cornell University Medical Center demonstrated that creatine was twice as effective as the prescription drug riluzole in extending the lives of mice with the degenerative neural disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease). Beal suspects that the neuroprotective effects of creatine in the mouse model of ALS are due either to an increased availability of energy to injured nerve cells or to a blocking of the chemical pathway that leads to cell death.

Second, a study by Canadian researchers Mark Tarnopolsky and Joan Martin of McMaster University Medical Centre in Hamilton, Ontario found that creatine can cause modest increases in strength in people with a variety of neuromuscular disorders. The latter paper was published in the March 1999 issue of Neurology.

 

[StallionRx]

Ive been on both, the monohydrate and the ethyl ester. I can honestly say I like the ethyl ester alot more. Based on the chemical structure of the monohydrate it seems to pull more water into cells thus creating the more bloated effect. I liked the extra energy I had from it, but the GI side effects really sucked.

With the introduction of the ethyl ester a few years ago I found that I dont add much water weight, my stomach doesnt get jacked up and I continue to look lean. Personally, I think the loading phase on alot of those products is nonsense. Ive never loaded and have always seemed to have great results from it.

In terms of what to mix it with, water is probabley the easiest way to go. You can try mixing it with a high sugar drink like grape or apple juice to create an insulin spike and further increase uptake of the creatine into the cells. I find that this method works the best. You need to get over the taste dude- the first time with foods on any bodybuilding diet usually are gross, but after time you get used to it and should have no problems. Try to tough it out.

 

[pharmaz88]

If the taste really bothers you that much, invest $20 in a "Cap M Quik" machine and a bag of empty 00 gel-caps, and make your own CEE capsules.

 

[12345]

they don't teach anything about supplements in pharm school, well maybe one lecture that covered them all but nothing about creatine really.

 

[lax3]

Are there any side effect of using Creatine Monohydrate over an extended period (1-2 years, taking 5 grams every other day)?

 

[lvp0021]

Isn't that Creatine just furnishes the ATP supply in your muscle during strenous work-out and does nothing at all in building mucle protein fibers? How about the amino acids (L-glutamate to be specific) as I've seen OTC in several different names? I myself use the Whey protein mix. I have noticed that my arms do get bigger but my abs never tightens (still frustrated over this a lot LOL). I have read several sites about these supplements and it's true that FDA doesn't regulate them that strictly (or not at all) and I can't seem to find reliable infos on these supplements (ie where and what to trust). Any opinions is appreciated!

 

[12345]

the theory more behind creatine is that you will be able to workout harder or do a few more reps which in turn will help you build muscle. As far as supplements just stick to creatine and protein. As far as your abs you know you can't spot reduce fat.

 

[ScreenNameX]

Are there any side effect of using Creatine Monohydrate over an extended period (1-2 years, taking 5 grams every other day)?

I was curious about this question too.... anyone know?

 

[12345]

I was curious about this question too.... anyone know?

no, just drink plenty of water

 

[lvp0021]

Hi... thanks for the comments. What do you mean by "reduce fat"? BTW, I did like 5 sets of 15 crunches literally everyday since my second year of college (already graduated with a BS and will start pharmD this Fall) but never get the 6-packs. I read about certain things like AbGone from a lab in CA where they say that it helps sucking out the water in your abs? Is it true? Some of my friends tried it and they said it did nothing LOL.

the theory more behind creatine is that you will be able to workout harder or do a few more reps which in turn will help you build muscle. As far as supplements just stick to creatine and protein. As far as your abs you know you can't spot reduce fat.

 

[nightcrawleRx]

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[nightcrawleRx]

Hi... thanks for the comments. What do you mean by "reduce fat"? BTW, I did like 5 sets of 15 crunches literally everyday since my second year of college (already graduated with a BS and will start pharmD this Fall) but never get the 6-packs. I read about certain things like AbGone from a lab in CA where they say that it helps sucking out the water in your abs? Is it true? Some of my friends tried it and they said it did nothing LOL.

The thing with getting a six-pack is not just about ab muscles. You need to be very lean for the muscles to actually show through. In fact, you could do sit-ups, crunches, ab wheels, etc all damn day, every day and still not have a six pack. It may actually make you look like you've got a gut or gained weight b/c you now have more muscle but still a layer of fat over it. Bodybuilders are a prime example...you could have stronger ab muscles than them but they have such low body fat that their muscles show through their extremely thin layer of fat.

I personally take whey protein, lift alot and try to do a decent amount of cardio. I think creatine is ok but not worth the money. If you are really into supplements check out www.dpsnutrition.com They sell wholesale to the public and shipping is fast and pretty reasonable.

 

[No1 Pusher]

Hi... thanks for the comments. What do you mean by "reduce fat"? BTW, I did like 5 sets of 15 crunches literally everyday since my second year of college (already graduated with a BS and will start pharmD this Fall) but never get the 6-packs. I read about certain things like AbGone from a lab in CA where they say that it helps sucking out the water in your abs? Is it true? Some of my friends tried it and they said it did nothing LOL.

You are over training your abs. For best results try 3x/week. Monitor the food you buy or eat, make sure they are low fat diet. Cardio is a must, not just crunches.

 

[lvp0021]

Thanks guy for the advice 🙂 Besides diet, how do I reduce that annoying fat layer to show the packs? (LOL and by that I don't mean using lipo LOL😀 )
(There are quite a few guys pursuing bodybuilding on here...what a shame for the thread in the prepharm forum saying there is not one hot in pharm school LOL)

 

[sdn1977]

I'll educate you: Stop being an ass!

Two scientific studies have indicated that creatine may be beneficial for neuromuscular disorders. First, a study (Klivenyi et al. 1999) by MDA-funded researcher M. Flint Beal of Cornell University Medical Center demonstrated that creatine was twice as effective as the prescription drug riluzole in extending the lives of mice with the degenerative neural disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease). Beal suspects that the neuroprotective effects of creatine in the mouse model of ALS are due either to an increased availability of energy to injured nerve cells or to a blocking of the chemical pathway that leads to cell death.

Second, a study by Canadian researchers Mark Tarnopolsky and Joan Martin of McMaster University Medical Centre in Hamilton, Ontario found that creatine can cause modest increases in strength in people with a variety of neuromuscular disorders. The latter paper was published in the March 1999 issue of Neurology.

Sorry - your sources are misleading, old & poorly designed. There have not been well designed studies on creatine supplements as therapeutic entities since 1999 which have supported these claims - thus - they are still considered "food" by the FDA. Now - they may be more highly regarded in Canada, but here - they are food & poor ones at that!

First, the OP is using this for self medication, which in & of itself is a poor use of this forum.

Second - excess protein load, which this is...is directly a cause of excess renal load on the kidneys, which leads to early renal disease (beyond 1.5Gm/kg of LBM). Have you ever seen someone go into renal or hepatic compromise from more protein than the body can handle???? I have!

Finally - the OP does not have a neuromuscular disease, but is using it for muscle building which combined with transient dehydration which is often tied with this activity is a leading cause of decreased renal function in young men.

So....go ahead & recommend it.

I'd absolutely say - stay away from protein powders - the load is too much for the kidneys! And yeah - protein tastes bad - which is why you get the "aftertaste" in Ensure & Boost - its the protein you're tasting.

 

[ZpackSux]

beef jerky is mostly protein...tastes good!

 

[sdn1977]

beef jerky is mostly protein...tastes good!

its the salt - take an extra hctz.....

 

[All4MyDaughter]

Medical advice thread. Closing.

 

[bananaface]

This thread is essentially a request for personal medical advice. Please consult your personal healthcare provider for all such matters, as indicated in the TOS. Thank you! 🙂