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A combination of many sources, including TA and market history. BTC has been bouncing off of $10000, with previous support line at about $8700. Once the Bears get tired of selling, money will move back in across the board.

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Aren't you worried that the rampant printing of Tether (another 'cryptocurrency') is being used to buy bitcoin, thus driving up the price?
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Tether printed $100 million dollars this morning, all of which went to buy/prop of the price of bitcoin.
 
A combination of many sources, including TA and market history. BTC has been bouncing off of $10000, with previous support line at about $8700. Once the Bears get tired of selling, money will move back in across the board.

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We will continue to see market cap increase long term for crypto currencies overall. As long as you pair your trades with BTC, are patient, and buy when coins are relatively low in price, you can expect increase in value. The goal is to add to your BTC holdings, along with Ethereum, and other possible coins that are a good long term store of value.

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Aren't you worried that the rampant printing of Tether (another 'cryptocurrency') is being used to buy bitcoin, thus driving up the price?
Tether Printer (@tetherprinter) | Twitter
Tether printed $100 million dollars this morning, all of which went to buy/prop of the price of bitcoin.
I don't trade using tether and don't concern myself with short term price movements. There are all kinds of FUD in crypto, kind of like the med school application process

Understanding the tech and the new frontier of crypto helps build confidence, and makes the whole process fun. I recommended a couple of books in a previous post.

Just like any other investment, it is just a game. If you take the time to understand it, practice, and take risks you are comfortable with, you will enjoy the process.



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bitcoin is a groundbreaking discovery. think of facebook and smart phones in the early 2000s. these ideas blew up, and anyone supporting them back in the day reaped tons of rewards. bitcoin is essentially in these early stages. no one knows what's going to happen next. but based on how bitcoin works, it could very well redefine how people use currency today. maybe a century from now people will be buying groceries, gas, clothes, etc with crypto at all kinds of establishments. simply scanning their phone across a reader and having the bitcoin automatically deducted from their balance. this is new age stuff. and anyone who jumps in today to support bitcoin will be rewarded incredibly when bitcoin explodes and breaches the mainstream. we are literally witnessing the earliest forms of change that could permanently propel how society functions as we know it. an opportunity to cash out potentially millions of dollars in the next few decades by investing what is literally peanuts compared to the final value that bitcoin will achieve and stabilize at. it's insane
 
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How high do you guys think the Hot Hand effect is here?
i believe this is the very beginning of this gravy train. i'm tempted to go all out into bitcoin but i don't want to invest more than i'm willing to lose at this moment. the writing is on the wall (in a good way), it's looking at you right in the face, bitcoin has withstand several dips and crashes since it's creation. people speculate that the death of bitcoin is near and that it will abruptly tank, but honestly i doubt that
 
bitcoin is a groundbreaking discovery. think of facebook and smart phones in the early 2000s. these ideas blew up, and anyone supporting them back in the day reaped tons of rewards. bitcoin is essentially in these early stages. no one knows what's going to happen next. but based on how bitcoin works, it could very well redefine how people use currency today. maybe a century from now people will be buying groceries, gas, clothes, etc with crypto at all kinds of establishments. simply scanning their phone across a reader and having the bitcoin automatically deducted from their balance. this is new age stuff. and anyone who jumps in today to support bitcoin will be rewarded incredibly when bitcoin explodes and breaches the mainstream. we are literally witnessing the earliest forms of change that could permanently propel how society functions as we know it. an opportunity to cash out potentially millions of dollars in the next few decades by investing what is literally peanuts compared to the final value that bitcoin will achieve and stabilize at. it's insane

Scan your phone across a reader? You mean Apple pay?
 
To anecdotally support Amphetamine Salts point above, my wife is on board totally because back in about 2008, she was one of the first people in her town with a credit card. Being a pre-teen, she would make a show of taking the other children after school to a candy store in the mall, one of only a dozen places in her metropolis to accept a promise from a piece of plastic. Nowadays everyone, including the cotton-candy performer in the bazaar, takes them. Simply, don't invest more than you can afford to lose, DOYR, own up to your decisions and respect the decisions of others.

Currently find myself holding equal amounts of:
XLM
TRX (boo!)
ICX
FUN
IOTA
REQ
OMG
NEO

Purchased a whole ETH coin and 0.01 BTC during the dip.

Probably going to put some tax return into ETH for "long term" holding.

I am, however, raising an eyebrow at all the people coming in here to voice their negative opinion of the process. Certainly, everyone here seems open to critical analysis, but those users repeating a mantra of their personal non-participation makes me wonder if they've bothered to read the first sentence in the thread...
 
With all due respect to those against it and are graciously sharing their views/warnings, I would just like to comment that we are all adults here (assuming minors aren't getting into this as they shouldn't be) and are fully aware of the risks involved.

With that said I did come and subscribe to this thread for input of other current like-minded traders and maybe learn of some tips etc. and not to debate the validity of such risky endeavors.

I again repeat. Thank you all for your input - but I humbly request that everyone read the OP to remind them of what the purpose of this thread is and to keep the bickering to a minimum.

Best of luck to us all - including the naysayers. Happy trading!

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To anecdotally support Amphetamine Salts point above, my wife is on board totally because back in about 2008, she was one of the first people in her town with a credit card. Being a pre-teen, she would make a show of taking the other children after school to a candy store in the mall, one of only a dozen places in her metropolis to accept a promise from a piece of plastic. Nowadays everyone, including the cotton-candy performer in the bazaar, takes them. Simply, don't invest more than you can afford to lose, DOYR, own up to your decisions and respect the decisions of others.

Currently find myself holding equal amounts of:
XLM
TRX (boo!)
ICX
FUN
IOTA
REQ
OMG
NEO

Purchased a whole ETH coin and 0.01 BTC during the dip.

Probably going to put some tax return into ETH for "long term" holding.

I am, however, raising an eyebrow at all the people coming in here to voice their negative opinion of the process. Certainly, everyone here seems open to critical analysis, but those users repeating a mantra of their personal non-participation makes me wonder if they've bothered to read the first sentence in the thread...

You don’t need people on this forum to tell you what is going on. Investors from Warren Buffet to Ray Dalio (run the biggest hedge fund) are saying BTC is in a bubble. You don’t think they know what is going on?

The air is already coming out of this bubble. If it pains you to read that then you have too much on the line. Don’t play with money that you don’t have.


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You don’t need people on this forum to tell you what is going on. Investors from Warren Buffet to Ray Dalio (run the biggest hedge fund) are saying BTC is in a bubble. You don’t think they know what is going on?

The air is already coming out of this bubble. If it pains you to read that then you have too much on the line. Don’t play with money that you don’t have.


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Warren Buffet admitted to not knowing anything about crypto currencies. Not sure what your purpose is posting here.

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You don’t need people on this forum to tell you what is going on. Investors from Warren Buffet to Ray Dalio (run the biggest hedge fund) are saying BTC is in a bubble. You don’t think they know what is going on?

The air is already coming out of this bubble. If it pains you to read that then you have too much on the line. Don’t play with money that you don’t have.


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remember when data analysts "calculated" that trump wasn't going to win the presidency? and then he did? seems like bitcoin is going to follow the exact same path and continue to raise in price, i'm gonna jump on the gravy train while i can
 
With all due respect to those against it and are graciously sharing their views/warnings, I would just like to comment that we are all adults here (assuming minors aren't getting into this as they shouldn't be) and are fully aware of the risks involved.

With that said I did come and subscribe to this thread for input of other current like-minded traders and maybe learn of some tips etc. and not to debate the validity of such risky endeavors.

I again repeat. Thank you all for your input - but I humbly request that everyone read the OP to remind them of what the purpose of this thread is and to keep the bickering to a minimum.

Best of luck to us all - including the naysayers. Happy trading!

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That won't happen, big egos want to be able to say I told you so.
 
You don’t need people on this forum to tell you what is going on. Investors from Warren Buffet to Ray Dalio (run the biggest hedge fund) are saying BTC is in a bubble. You don’t think they know what is going on?

The air is already coming out of this bubble. If it pains you to read that then you have too much on the line. Don’t play with money that you don’t have.

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You seem to have quoted my post in lieu of reading it.
 
^ i guess this is not clear enough:

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett told CNBC on Wednesday the recent craze over bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies won't end well.
"In terms of cryptocurrencies, generally, I can say with almost certainty that they will come to a bad ending," the chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway said.
"When it happens or how or anything else, I don't know," he added in an interview on CNBC's "Squawk Box" from Omaha, Nebraska. "If I could buy a five-year put on every one of the cryptocurrencies, I'd be glad to do it but I would never short a dime's worth."


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On topic, I've been experimenting with our gaming computers doing some mining while I'm at work. Straight mining ETH was producing about 7 cents per hour, with my computer pulling 4c and my wife's the 3c. After further research I switched our computers over to doing Z-Cash (which I can then exchange to ETH or whatever) and ran it overnight with the following results.

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So, after running for 10 hours, the 24 hour average is 9c per hour. Already better.

Investigation found that my wife's computer was doing 85% of the work, so I put my computer back on task mining ETH directly and kept hers on this pool.
 
^ i guess this is not clear enough:

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett told CNBC on Wednesday the recent craze over bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies won't end well.
"In terms of cryptocurrencies, generally, I can say with almost certainty that they will come to a bad ending," the chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway said.
"When it happens or how or anything else, I don't know," he added in an interview on CNBC's "Squawk Box" from Omaha, Nebraska. "If I could buy a five-year put on every one of the cryptocurrencies, I'd be glad to do it but I would never short a dime's worth."


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Thank you for proving my point. I will end this nonsensical side conversion now. I have the greatest respect for Warren Buffett, and even quoted him on this thread. But, he is not experienced with crypto currency and the technology behind it.

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Thank you for proving my point. I will end this nonsensical side conversion now. I have the greatest respect for Warren Buffett, and even quoted him on this thread. But, he is not experienced with crypto currency and the technology behind it.

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And, you are? LMAO...
 
You don’t need people on this forum to tell you what is going on. Investors from Warren Buffet to Ray Dalio (run the biggest hedge fund) are saying BTC is in a bubble. You don’t think they know what is going on?

The air is already coming out of this bubble. If it pains you to read that then you have too much on the line. Don’t play with money that you don’t have.


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Weird to appeal to a position of authority in two guys that didn't believe in the housing bubble pre-2008
 
Just started day trading a few days ago. Gains will increase faster now. Goal is 1 million by end of 2018. Not joking.

Still think it will go to $1M by the end of 2018?




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Still think it will go to $1M by the end of 2018?




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Not sure if this is a serious question or more trolling, but yes. I am up about 400% since mid November. I have bought and sold 20 different coins. But, nothing special about that, many people have done better. I am on target to have about 50-75 bitcoin by end of this year. Just depends on whether bitcoin is $50000 or $100000, or whatever it grows to be. My intial investment was $22000. This includes 3 ICO coins which are just getting on the exchanges. 1 million is the goal, but definitely can be more.

I am not sure how your questions are helping you learn about crypto currencies or the tech involved.

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it's an investment. don't expect overnight results or massive profits after 3-6 months. you buy some bitcoin and keep it away until it becomes valuable
 
Not sure if this is a serious question or more trolling, but yes. I am up about 400% since mid November. I have bought and sold 20 different coins. But, nothing special about that, many people have done better. I am on target to have about 50-75 bitcoin by end of this year. Just depends on whether bitcoin is $50000 or $100000, or whatever it grows to be. My intial investment was $22000. This includes 3 ICO coins which are just getting on the exchanges. 1 million is the goal, but definitely can be more.

I am not sure how your questions are helping you learn about crypto currencies or the tech involved.

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Your goal is to have about $5 million in bitcoin? I'd just retire.
 
Your goal is to have about $5 million in bitcoin? I'd just retire.
My goal is financial freedom, not retirement. I enjoy being part of this financial revolution. It is fun. This is just one more way to help people. These new technologies will allow billions of people with no bank accounts to finally take part in the global economy.

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My goal is financial freedom, not retirement. I enjoy being part of this financial revolution. It is fun. This is just one more way to help people. These new technologies will allow billions of people with no bank accounts to finally take part in the global economy.

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Would you mind explaining? I invested last year solely for the easy money which is why most are in. I never expected it to last.
 


For anyone day trading, just be careful with the margin calls...>90% of people it’s just better to buy and hold until a catalyst then sell at ATH. Buy dips at bull divergence.
 
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Would you mind explaining? I invested last year solely for the easy money which is why most are in. I never expected it to last.
Having decentralized currencies will allow anyone with a cell phone, or similar device, to use an app to be their own bank. There are billions of people who don't have access to the global economy like we do. They live in countries where the financial system cannot be trusted. With something like Bitcoin, trust is not needed and you don't need a third party to approve your transaction.

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Holding cash/crypto in your house (paper/USB device/coinbase) is dumb. 1 slip up, all your cash (crypto) is gone. Security breach/hack here I come. Imagine all those billions of people just walking around with the BTC wallet carrying cash everywhere, I will just rob someone with a gun to transfer myself crypto and disappear with no trace. Everyone is a walking target for a gunpoint robbery since all these crypto are technically cash. I don't envision a future where everyone carrying cash, got robbed and lose millions with no recourse. Your life or your crypto?

Stay with bank. You get scammed, bank/cc will block the questionable transaction (limit to $500 ATM withdrawal) and/or give your money back no question asked.

Another down vote for crypto. I don't see this fad going anywhere but FOMO trade.
 
Having decentralized currencies will allow anyone with a cell phone, or similar device, to use an app to be their own bank. There are billions of people who don't have access to the global economy like we do. They live in countries where the financial system cannot be trusted. With something like Bitcoin, trust is not needed and you don't need a third party to approve your transaction.

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Aren't transaction fees extremely high though? In order for this to be real, transactions need to be zero to no more a percent or two. Also, it has to stabilize. What company wants to see it's profit go negative in a day. Bitcoin has a long way to go.

I didn't think this was the reason people here own bitcoin, it's greed. What happens when the thousand people that own like 40% are ready to move on?
 
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Aren't transaction fees extremely high though? In order for this to be real, transactions need to be zero to no more a percent or two. Also, it has to stabilize. What company wants to see it's profit go negative in a day. Bitcoin has a long way to go.

I didn't think this was the reason people here own bitcoin, it's greed. What happens when the thousand people that own like 40% are ready to move on?
Raiblocks has 0 transaction fees. Stellar's transaction fees are $0.0000015 and is built to scale.

The pricing volatility is a problem and more adoption is necessary before it could ever be used as store of value practically.
 
Raiblocks has 0 transaction fees. Stellar's transaction fees are $0.0000015 and is built to scale.

The pricing volatility is a problem and more adoption is necessary before it could ever be used as store of value practically.

In order for that to happen bitcoin would need to be well into the trillions of dollars in market cap so fluctuations would be more like the dollar. I don't think there are enough whales out there that would want to get in for that to happen. I guess we'll see though.
 
In order for that to happen bitcoin would need to be well into the trillions of dollars in market cap so fluctuations would be more like the dollar. I don't think there are enough whales out there that would want to get in for that to happen. I guess we'll see though.
Hundreds of millions of Wall Street and Silicon Valley dollars are waiting to pounce. Right now we've reached the early majority portion of the adoption curve, when institutional dollars are beginning to flow steadily in. Even the big governments want to play - Swiss government and academia sponsored Ambrosus, Chinese government basically married itself to VeChain, South Korean government officials accused of crypto insider trading. In the next two years, we will see the late majority and the laggards come.

I do think this speculative bubble will pop when we reach into the multitrillions either through regulation or some Mt. Gox event. That's when real adoption will happen.
 
Hundreds of millions of Wall Street and Silicon Valley dollars are waiting to pounce. Right now we've reached the early majority portion of the adoption curve, when institutional dollars are beginning to flow steadily in. Even the big governments want to play - Swiss government and academia sponsored Ambrosus, Chinese government basically married itself to VeChain, South Korean government officials accused of crypto insider trading. In the next two years, we will see the late majority and the laggards come.

I do think this speculative bubble will pop when we reach into the multitrillions either through regulation or some Mt. Gox event. That's when real adoption will happen.

What are they waiting for?

Again I'm not saying this is over but it's definitely a 50/50 chance. Also what's the difference once the government gets involved?
 
What are they waiting for?

Again I'm not saying this is over but it's definitely a 50/50 chance.
Short term we're in rocky territory - investors are spooked right now due to the correction which just took place. General recommendation right now is wait until the end of this week with CME futures or until the beginning of February when the markets are more decisive. There are a ton of TA reports suggesting an 8k BTC depression.

In the medium term, well, that's just how adoption curves go. When CNN and FOX blast out beware of Bitcoin newscasts after a [standard] 10% bitcoin fluctuation, not hard to see why the average person doesn't want in. Common sentiment changes after institutional sentiment changes.
 
Right now we're in rocky territory - investors are spooked right now due to the correction which just took place. Common sentiment right now is wait until the end of this week with CME futures or until the beginning of February when the markets are more decisive. There are a ton of TA reports suggesting an 8k BTC depression.

I just can't get aboard a currency that is being controlled by like 1000 wealthy people.
 
I just can't get aboard a currency that is being controlled by like 1000 wealthy people.
You mean the USD? 😉

It's just how the Matthew Effect works. Wealth flows up always.
 
You mean the USD? 😉

It's just how the Matthew Effect works. Wealth flows up always.

All this is though is some 1000 or so people trying to get even more wealthy. The government is going to control this if it makes it so if your goal is to make money that's fine. This won't change the world though.

I'm fine trading it just don't be putting all your wealth into it.
 
Also what's the difference once the government gets involved?
It means that there is support from the top of the pyramid. It's signaling value and reflective of the network effects of cryptocurrencies. Concern abounds regarding whether or not cryptocurrencies will be banned - that in my view is unlikely.

You can look at it from the perspective of the private sector too, which is also beginning to green light blockchain initiatives. A number of crypto companies have NDAs with F500s. More of these relationships will be revealed in Q1 and Q2. For example, posted in a Factom AMA:

"Thank you for a great question. Let me start by clarifying what we mean when we talk about NDA's. We don't mean just the simple 3-4 page NDA agreements you sign for sales meetings or a simple POC. Our clients are banks, mortgage companies, insurance companies and government entities. These are entities that are very conservative and have very strict non-disclosure and non-publicity clauses in the Master Services Agreements we have to sign. Sometimes these types of clients will do a joint press release after the solution has been in production for good number of months. Some clients will never let us do publicity. Unfortunately these types of clients may not be as sexy as other markets but they are committed to blockchain solutions and have millions and millions of transactions. So the short answer is "Yes" for most of these contracts you will be seeing some form of announcement in 2018...We are targeting the Fortune 1,000 but most of our recent discussion are Fortune 100."

This particular company has been funded by the Department of Homeland Security, the Gates Foundation, and a number of venture firms, among others.

At this point it really is a wait-and-see type of thing, as we won't know the nature of the relationships until they're announced.

(I have no stake in this company FYI in stocks nor crypto - I just believe in it and its solutions)
 
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It means that there is support from the top of the pyramid. It's signaling value and reflective of the network effects of cryptocurrencies. Concern abounds regarding whether or not cryptocurrencies will be banned - that in my view is unlikely.

You can look at it from the perspective of the private sector too, which is also beginning to green light blockchain initiatives. A number of crypto companies have NDAs with F500s. More of these relationships will be revealed in Q1 and Q2. For example, posted in a Factom AMA:

"Thank you for a great question. Let me start by clarifying what we mean when we talk about NDA's. We don't mean just the simple 3-4 page NDA agreements you sign for sales meetings or a simple POC. Our clients are banks, mortgage companies, insurance companies and government entities. These are entities that are very conservative and have very strict non-disclosure and non-publicity clauses in the Master Services Agreements we have to sign. Sometimes these types of clients will do a joint press release after the solution has been in production for good number of months. Some clients will never let us do publicity. Unfortunately these types of clients may not be as sexy as other markets but they are committed to blockchain solutions and have millions and millions of transactions. So the short answer is "Yes" for most of these contracts you will be seeing some form of announcement in 2018...We are targeting the Fortune 1,000 but most of our recent discussion are Fortune 100."

This particular company has been funded by the Department of Homeland Security, the Gates Foundation, and a number of venture firms, among others.

At this point it really is a wait-and-see type of thing, as we won't know the nature of the relationships until they're announced.

(I have no stake in this company FYI in stocks nor crypto - I just believe in it and its solutions)

I still don't see how this improves anything. You said not everyone's financial systems can be trusted. If governments take out, that won't change.
 
I still don't see how this improves anything. You said not everyone's financial systems can be trusted. If governments take out, that won't change.
Hm? Where did I say that?

I'm certainly not a Bitcoin purist; I don't personally have a lot of faith in bitcoin or its equivalents as a store of value or a replacement for fiat in the short or medium term, and believe that it can only happen with government and industry backing. The powers that be will subordinate it to their causes, which will disappoint the counterculture supporters out there.

What I do believe has value in the short term are the immutable contracts and transactions that can be recorded using blockchain technology and the applications thereof. Here, the economics of the cryptocurrency tokens are more easily elucidated as well.
 
Hm? Where did I say that?

I'm certainly not a Bitcoin purist; I don't personally have a lot of faith in bitcoin or its equivalents as a store of value or a replacement for fiat in the short or medium term, and believe that it can only happen with government and industry backing. The powers that be will subordinate it to their causes, which will disappoint the counterculture supporters out there.

What I do believe has value in the short term are the immutable contracts and transactions that can be recorded using blockchain technology and the applications thereof. Here, the economics of the cryptocurrency tokens are more easily elucidated as well.
Oops wrong person said that

I know I don't understand the theories of why crypto is supposed to be great since that's not an interest of mine but what's the difference between a company like Starbucks going cashless and using crypto? I'm talking simply here in the US.

If it's simply due to regulations then clearly this is just a money scheme because that's the only way this lasts.
 
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What's your address? Let me send a couple thugs with a cell phone to your place.

Let see if you like this crypto cash on you at all times.
 
Oops wrong person said that

I know I don't understand the theories of why crypto is supposed to be great since that's not an interest of mine but what's the difference between a company like Starbucks going cashless and using crypto? I'm talking simply here in the US.
I assume you mean in a retail transaction right? Functionally speaking there's no practical difference here because the banks are dependable and there are little to no fees associated. In this case, technically speaking, what cryptocurrencies do is disintermediate the middleman - in this case the banks - because the actors that confirm the transaction are decentralized across the network. YOU own your money, not the banks that you have lent your money to. That's the draw for some people.

What's your address? Let me send a couple thugs with a cell phone to your place.

Let see if you like this crypto cash on you at all times.
Definitely a worry. The smartest people would store their crypto on a Nano S Ledger, destroy it, but memorize their 24 seed words by heart. There, no risk. Keep a secondary wallet with minimal $.
 
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I assume you mean in a retail transaction right? Functionally speaking there's no practical difference here because the banks are dependable. In this case, technically speaking, what cryptocurrencies do is disintermediate the middleman - in this case the banks - because the actors that confirm the transaction are decentralized across the network. YOU own your money. That's the draw for some people.

Definitely a worry. The smartest people would memorize their 24 seed words by heart. There, no risk.

But the middlemen are the only way this will last. So I still don't understand its use.

So I get crypto was created to remove Banks from the equation but don't you think the only way this lasts is if the banks end up getting involved which if true this ends up just being a money grab.

I don't think you can ignore theft. This definitely should be a concern unless there's security that I don't know about.
 
But the middlemen are the only way this will last. So I still don't understand its use.

So I get crypto was created to remove Banks from the equation but don't you think the only way this lasts is if the banks end up getting involved which if true this ends up just being a money grab.

I don't think you can ignore theft. This definitely should be a concern unless there's security that I don't know about.
Yes - so you understand why I'm not a Bitcoin purist 🙂 The banks will get involved, that's a definite. Now, this will reshape their business practices and no one quite knows what the future holds for the banking industry, but you can be sure they will get their hands dirty...

You can destroy your Ledger. There is a 24 seed word backup known only to you that can restore it, because your crypto is secured across the blockchain. Keep it in your head, done. If you forget it, well, tough luck.
 
Yes - so you understand why I'm not a Bitcoin purist 🙂

You can destroy your Ledger. There is a 24 seed word backup known only to you that can restore it, because your crypto is secured across the blockchain. Keep it in your head, done.

Well I'm glad you agree this is a huge money grab.

So a person demands all your crypto and will hurt your family unless you give it to them. What can you do then?
 
Well I'm glad you agree this is a huge money grab.

So a person demands all your crypto and will hurt your family unless you give it to them. What can you do then?
I think it's a money grab for most people, to be honest. That's why we're in a speculative bubble.

This is no different than someone holding your family hostage and asking for USD. If someone has significant holdings, only a ******* would advertise out loud how much they have. You destroy your wallets - who knows you have anything? No one.
 
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