cutoff step 1 at ortho programs

[ktat72]

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this was in the surgery forum and thought i might post this here - do you guys know of any step 1 cutoffs at any ortho programs - umkc's is 210

 

[IN2BATE]

Ive been told that an average for some of the big name programs is a 230 cutoff...............but some even look for 250+ .

I dunno, is what I heard from some local residents.

 

[ktat72]

originally posted by IN2BATE:

Ive been told that an average for some of the big name programs is a 230 cutoff...............but some even look for 250+ .

Do you know which ones in particular?

 

[unregistered]

UTSW 215. But many of residents are higher.

 

[Crypt Abscess]

These cut-offs seem really low. I don't know what my school's cut off is, but all of the folks that I know that matched in Ortho this year had 230s and 240s, and all but one were AOA. It seems that connections may be more important than numbers because a know a guy who matched with low/average boards and average grades. At my school ortho docs are still teased about their lack of intelligence, although most of them graduated in the top of their class

 

[ktat72]

orginally quoted by Crypt abscess

These cut-offs seem really low. I don't know what my school's cut off is, but all of the folks that I know that matched in Ortho this year had 230s and 240s, and all but one were AOA. It seems that connections may be more important than numbers because a know a guy who matched with low/average boards and average grades. At my school ortho docs are still teased about their lack of intelligence, although most of them graduated in the top of their class

what school do you go to?

 

[bankingdom]

The actual avg USMLE step 1 scores for the residents at SUNY Upstate is 224

http://www.upstate.edu/ortho/residency.shtml

 

[IN2BATE]

As mentioned above........................yes, ,ost orthos were top students............but they have a reputation for reverse education, they get dumber as time goes on after graduation (probably b/c they dont use general medicine info too much and loose skills)

Definition of double blind study?

Two orthos reading an EKG.

Ortho definition of the function of the human heart?

To pump Ancef to the bones.

Anyway, these guys are pretty cool..................they get to go to home depot and buy any tools they want.

 

[ortho2003]

reverse education...what a crcck.

Ortho doesn't undergo reverse education, we undergo re-education. We have are one of the most specialized areas in medicine and we get virtually no orthopaedic education in medical school. We have to learn volumes and volumes of new information. We also happen to be one of the busiest specialties around and don't have time to manage general medical problems of patients. We also don't have time to keep up on what is new in the literature regarding medical managment, so it is really not wise for us to try to manage medical problems that we have not been exposed to or read on in years. It is better for someone that specializes in that area of medicine to manage that, just as it is better for an orthopod to manage orthopaedic injuries rather than an internist.

If any of your loved ones ever end up with a major orthopaedic problem, such as a cervical spine injury, open book pelvis fx, open big bone fx, etc, will you be asking your internist to manage it, or one of those dumb orthopods who have spent years trying to master a very complex specialty.

You can make all the jokes you want and I will laugh right along with you, but don't try to say that pods become dumber because they don't keep on top of everything they learned in school. If that is the case, then the only specialty that are not dumber after residency is family prcatice. They are the only ones that attempt to keep up on all aspects of medicine.

 

[IN2BATE]

geez ortho..................................I was only kidding around; every group has there stereotype and of course orthos are smart...................they just have a rep attached to them.

Didnt mean any harm.

 

[ortho2003]

Like I said, the jokes are no problem. I can laugh it off with the best of them...here is another one for you.

How do you hide a dollar from an orthopod?

Put it with their stethoscope (or in text book if your prefer)



I took the comment of reverse education as a serious comment, however, which is why you got the response from me. If that was meant to be a joke as well, then I apologize for my sharp response. That is one of the pitfalls of message baords, you cannot always tell when someone is joking or serious.

no hard feelings.

 

[chef]

are md/phds sought after by ortho PDs similar to optho, derm, rad onc, IM, etc? or are mdphds at a disadvantage b/c PDs consider them as labrats and not really surgeons?