CVS at Target cutting pharmacist hours?

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Can someone confirm that pharmacist hours are being cut from 40 hours to 30 hours a week?


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Minneapolis-St. Paul North and South, yes. Announcement went Oct. 1 but will only affect new hires and not anyone who is an old ETL-PIC (for now as Minnesota has regulation language on the matter). Everyone's going around as if the sky is falling down.

I don't know this directly. I know because I've received a lot of calls wanting to change jobs or locum at VA (which we don't need right now). Really sad situation, although Target in Minnesota is not the easy job it can be elsewhere in the country.
 
I know some posters on here speculated that CVS was ultimately after the scripts and would eventually close a lot of the stores. I guess this could be the prelude to store closures.
 
I know some posters on here speculated that CVS was ultimately after the scripts and would eventually close a lot of the stores. I guess this could be the prelude to store closures.

I have no inside knowledge. But They gave lease agreements with Target so those stores are not going anywhere......
 
I know some posters on here speculated that CVS was ultimately after the scripts and would eventually close a lot of the stores. I guess this could be the prelude to store closures.

We were told that there would not be any closures unless Target agreed to the pharmacy closing. Target stayed strong in their message to us that they were committed to us keeping our jobs even with cvs taking over. I always questioned how they could flex this muscle after the sale was final, but it was their statement.

Now, this is in Colorado, and cvs had 0 retail stores there until the target acquisition. I always assumed though that this was their universal message and not tailored to us.

In either case, it was bad news then and still is.


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I still see relatively a lot of humans inside of the Target's CVS and counting down when they will be lesser of these humans... I am going to guess sooner before later.
 
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In my midwest area, they aren't cutting any hours. They are actually looking to hire pharmacists for the Target channel. Stand alone CVS pharmacists want to transfer in but their supervisors say it will take 7 weeks (ha).

The minimum lease agreement that I have seen in my area is until 2036 (20 years) but I know some stores go up to 30 years. It depended on the store volume as to how long the lease agreement is in place. Target is in charge of the lease agreement so CVS can not close the stores without Target's approval (but why would they since the CVS higher ups have said the lease is dead cheap as compared to stand alone stores).
 
Minneapolis-St. Paul North and South, yes. Announcement went Oct. 1 but will only affect new hires and not anyone who is an old ETL-PIC (for now as Minnesota has regulation language on the matter). Everyone's going around as if the sky is falling down.

I don't know this directly. I know because I've received a lot of calls wanting to change jobs or locum at VA (which we don't need right now). Really sad situation, although Target in Minnesota is not the easy job it can be elsewhere in the country.

Ugh, Target language is so frustrating.

I have no inside knowledge. But They gave lease agreements with Target so those stores are not going anywhere......

Lease agreements can be broken. Don't think for a second that CVS emptying out the pharmacy and leaving a hole in the store is not an option on the table. They'll pay up for the space but it may end up being better for them rather than have a pharmacy there that is being destroyed in consumer reports.
 
Can someone confirm that pharmacist hours are being cut from 40 hours to 30 hours a week?


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CVS @ Target is going under. The average scripts per a store is less than 90 a day (unsustainable). They were bleeding money so tried to get CVS to right the ship by pushing hard for vacc's but too little too late. Target will be closing all pharmacies by 2018. Just a heads up. Leave before you are forced to look for new jobs with all the other laid off rphs.
 
CVS @ Target is going under. The average scripts per a store is less than 90 a day (unsustainable). They were bleeding money so tried to get CVS to right the ship by pushing hard for vacc's but too little too late. Target will be closing all pharmacies by 2018. Just a heads up. Leave before you are forced to look for new jobs with all the other laid off rphs.

Wtf srly!?


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We were told that there would not be any closures unless Target agreed to the pharmacy closing.

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I can confirm that with direct knowledge. Target actually has to consent on a pharmacy closing as it has major tax and land use implications for the building (CoN rules for tax relief or building permits). That was a non-negotiable point for Target. That doesn't mean CVS cannot close them, but it has to be negotiated due to the way the follow on effects are if a pharmacy is not in the building. To those who don't understand that part of zoning, a Certificate of Need basically allows for some relaxing of rules for zoning and taxation benefits for having a building with health benefits to the community. It always applies to clinics and hospitals, but most states have specific language for pharmacies as well (that's why there's always a real estate law department in a chain pharmacy besides the acquisition policies). So, it's not a CVS-imposed matter, they would need to negotiate with Target and the local building authorities on the closing because to close the pharmacy may have an implication that the whole building loses zoning certification. Since CVS and their pharmacies are one and the same in theory, no big deal. For Target, who runs a business where pharmacy was usually a loss leader or a specific requirement to build in that jurisdiction and want to keep the business running even without the pharmacy, that's harder.

CVS @ Target is going under. The average scripts per a store is less than 90 a day (unsustainable). They were bleeding money so tried to get CVS to right the ship by pushing hard for vacc's but too little too late. Target will be closing all pharmacies by 2018. Just a heads up. Leave before you are forced to look for new jobs with all the other laid off rphs.

I don't think so completely for CVS or Target for reasons stated above, that would be a tax and usage disaster for them (as in, the one-time accounting charge would be a material statement for them). Whether they slowly squeeze out the pharmacists and wind down the operations where they can get off the CoN earlier, that'll be fine. Good luck though staying in the major metropolitan areas (Minneapolis-St. Paul, Portland, Seattle) without keeping the pharmacy in the building as the zoning rules would not allow that store at those sizes except for the CoN exceptions.
 
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90 scripts is more than sustainable for 1 pharmacist + 1 tech. CVS and big chains get massive discounts on both brands and generics and can for example easily be making $200+ profit on each Janumet script. Like with Shop Rite which has all the front end money to sustain a pharmacy that doesn't even need to be doing well, Target and/or CVS (not sure how their arrangement works) certainly have the means to sustain the pharmacies; the question is just whether they're willing to do that or increase corporate management's salaries...

I know some posters on here speculated that CVS was ultimately after the scripts and would eventually close a lot of the stores. I guess this could be the prelude to store closures.

This would make sense too.
 
CVS @ Target is going under. The average scripts per a store is less than 90 a day (unsustainable). They were bleeding money so tried to get CVS to right the ship by pushing hard for vacc's but too little too late. Target will be closing all pharmacies by 2018. Just a heads up. Leave before you are forced to look for new jobs with all the other laid off rphs.

2018 huh... did you pull that from the farmer's almanac or something?
 
90 scripts is more than sustainable for 1 pharmacist + 1 tech. CVS and big chains get massive discounts on both brands and generics and can for example easily be making $200+ profit on each Janumet script. Like with Shop Rite which has all the front end money to sustain a pharmacy that doesn't even need to be doing well, Target and/or CVS (not sure how their arrangement works) certainly have the means to sustain the pharmacies; the question is just whether they're willing to do that or increase corporate management's salaries...



This would make sense too.
$200 on a brand name? are u in the know or are you assuming? theres only so much a pharmacy or wholesaler can make on brand from my knowledge. pbm might make $200 to have their drug on formulary thougg
 
$200 on a brand name? are u in the know or are you assuming? theres only so much a pharmacy or wholesaler can make on brand from my knowledge. pbm might make $200 to have their drug on formulary thougg
Yeah this is bullcrap like the rest of his post

You only start seeing $200+ stuff on low pharmacy cost n high AWP
 
Corporate will never disclose what sort of discounts they get through various kinds of contracts--through wholesalers and/or manufacturers. When I worked at a chain, the invoices were always just in a theoretical acquisition cost (or it might've been wholesale, I forget), but I was never ever informed exactly how much the company was actually paying for say a vancomycin box that theoretically cost $10,000. I work in independent now, which has a lot more transparency with regard to buying.
 
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Walmart provides a nominal acquisition cost via McKesson and within the pharmacy software. I am inclined to believe the numbers are close to the true value although the true cost may not incorporate rebates and such, e.g., like $8 per IIV vaccine
 
Corporate will never disclose what sort of discounts they get through various kinds of contracts--through wholesalers and/or manufacturers. When I worked at a chain, the invoices were always just in a theoretical acquisition cost (or it might've been wholesale, I forget), but I was never ever informed exactly how much the company was actually paying for say a vancomycin box that theoretically cost $10,000. I work in independent now, which has a lot more transparency with regard to buying.

This whole post is wrong.
 
90 scripts is more than sustainable for 1 pharmacist + 1 tech. CVS and big chains get massive discounts on both brands and generics and can for example easily be making $200+ profit on each Janumet script. Like with Shop Rite which has all the front end money to sustain a pharmacy that doesn't even need to be doing well, Target and/or CVS (not sure how their arrangement works) certainly have the means to sustain the pharmacies; the question is just whether they're willing to do that or increase corporate management's salaries...



This would make sense too.

Not a chance! First off reimbursement is based off the specific insurance contract. There aren't any insurance contracts paying that much on a drug that costs what Janumet does. Second the big chains do get a bigger discount on brand name drugs but nothing that would generate a $200 profit on Janumet which has a WAC (wholesale acquisition cost) of $363.40.
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Taking into account the total employee costs of 1 RpH and 1 tech (health insurance, 401k ect.) 90 scripts doesn't get you to break even.
 
My wife and I both work for CVS in Target and I can confirm that hours were cut effective November 1st. We had 1 floater just move out of state that is not being replaced. Two other floaters were cut from 42 hours to 32 hours. My wife recently went down to 37 hours per week and was just informed that she will now be at 32. I asked our district manager multiple times if her hours were at risk and he told me on 4 separate ocassions that cuts would be made through attrition.
 
My wife and I both work for CVS in Target and I can confirm that hours were cut effective November 1st. We had 1 floater just move out of state that is not being replaced. Two other floaters were cut from 42 hours to 32 hours. My wife recently went down to 37 hours per week and was just informed that she will now be at 32. I asked our district manager multiple times if her hours were at risk and he told me on 4 separate ocassions that cuts would be made through attrition.

Two pharmacists, with benefits, only working 32 hours each...sounds awesome to me. Top like 3% of incomes working what is basically part time. I'd love to be in your situation.
 
My wife and I both work for CVS in Target and I can confirm that hours were cut effective November 1st. We had 1 floater just move out of state that is not being replaced. Two other floaters were cut from 42 hours to 32 hours. My wife recently went down to 37 hours per week and was just informed that she will now be at 32. I asked our district manager multiple times if her hours were at risk and he told me on 4 separate ocassions that cuts would be made through attrition.

I wouldn't even ask your DM. He is just middle management and he is probably as clueless and worried as you and your wife.

Here is CVS playbook. They don't want to have a massive layoff because that is bad for morale and more importantly, they would have to pay for unemployment benefits.

How do they get rid of certain employees? Add workload: First, don't replace positions. Second, cut pharmacist and tech hours. Third, cut store hours.

If they want to cut further, they will then cut benefits. You are getting 32 hours huh? How do you like going to 24 hours and therefore, not qualify for health benefits? Increase premium. Cut vacation days for long term employees. No vacation and 401 k for part time employees.

Do you see how they do it? They did it to Sav-on employees. Same thing to Longs employees. Same playbook.

All of these cuts disproportionately affect older pharmacists and new parents especially women. They can't afford to take a 20% cut. They need health benefits not only for themselves but also for their family. They got a mortgage to pay. They will be the first ones to go. This is just a way for CVS to legally to get rid of them.


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Walmart provides a nominal acquisition cost via McKesson and within the pharmacy software. I am inclined to believe the numbers are close to the true value although the true cost may not incorporate rebates and such, e.g., like $8 per IIV vaccine

Except McKesson doesn't even know what McKesson's real acquisition cost is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/13/b...es-to-pay-960-million-in-fraud-suit.html?_r=0

Drug prices are one of the few industries that allow for Hollywood accounting techniques to be a usual and customary form of the business. Walmart doesn't really know what they are paying, their distributor (McK, CAH, or ABC) doesn't really know what they are paying (unless you are one of a select few in the accounting department and that is specifically sectionalized), and industry through direct to retail rebates and exchange contracts with the distributors only know what their nominal revenue is (simply put, no one in retail or distribution ever buys a particular drug from a particular PhRMA company unless it is a scheduled med subject to the DEA quota or are willing to pay for the privilege of exactly determining what you buy, what you buy is a basket of production between such and such a date allowing leeway on pricing on the individual drug items by the purchaser based on what lots the manufacturer is running at the time and planned for the future.

The analogy I use in class to help students understand basic manufacturer contracts is buying from the manufacturer is like buying mystery boxes (Humble Bundles) where you know you buy a month at a time, but you don't necessarily know what comes in the box and you sell the individual items (game keys) on the Internet closer to their individual sales value. Some months, you get this huge surplus of one thing that the manufacturer wants out of their inventory, some months you are super starved for the same one little item as that lot run is now complete. That's where the distributors come in, to manage that sort of buy in a massive scale so that those mystery boxes average out better. Only companies with really sophisticated supply-chain management systems and don't have a stockholder problem with holding a lot of excess inventory at times (which sucks for your turns and sticks the company with the inventory valuation problem) should attempt to buy direct from the manufacturer in the present day.

In the end, the math averages out, but there are always information gaps that companies exploit. At the margins that distribution makes at a macro level, that information asymmetry is the only competitive advantage that the distributor has over direct to retail sales.

For the non-Hollywood accounting at retail, prices and CIGS are determined by the book value, but what does an individual drug really, really cost? I wish I could tell you, but no one really buys that way, and even if I did, it doesn't matter so long as my overall revenue minus cost is profitable in the end.

So you're both right, but not for the reasons that both of you attribute your claim to. This drug business is a lot dirtier than CPT maximization.
 
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Not a chance! First off reimbursement is based off the specific insurance contract. There aren't any insurance contracts paying that much on a drug that costs what Janumet does. Second the big chains do get a bigger discount on brand name drugs but nothing that would generate a $200 profit on Janumet which has a WAC (wholesale acquisition cost) of $363.40.
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Taking into account the total employee costs of 1 RpH and 1 tech (health insurance, 401k ect.) 90 scripts doesn't get you to break even.

Glad to see you here again! Are you still owning your own store? I went to the ncpa ownership workshop this year.
 
Are you a PIC?

Also how did your pharmacy's relationship with STL/ETLs change?

My lead tech texted me the first time she said a flat out "No." to the STL

Yes, I am a PIC. My STL/ETLs were never that involved in the first place lol so not much has changed. They definitely don't provide support in the HBA though; no Target people are every working there so we get tons of questions about where everything in the store can be found. That is annoying considering we have a longer process under the CVS RXConnect and everything is timed
 
Yes, I am a PIC. My STL/ETLs were never that involved in the first place lol so not much has changed. They definitely don't provide support in the HBA though; no Target people are every working there so we get tons of questions about where everything in the store can be found. That is annoying considering we have a longer process under the CVS RXConnect and everything is timed
Wow, pretty interesting.
Our STL was up our butts 24/7, and, to make matters worse, was a garbage manager.
I remember her coming to the pharmacy and chewing everyone out after we referred a non Rx customer to the front during a 20+ waiter rush.

I also wonder how Target adjusted the store profit goals with the loss of pharmacy. They would *always* be under before I sent out closing notes.

Did your RxBP lose their job too?

Sorry about all the questions, just super curious. Lol.
 
Wow, pretty interesting.
Our STL was up our butts 24/7, and, to make matters worse, was a garbage manager.
I remember her coming to the pharmacy and chewing everyone out after we referred a non Rx customer to the front during a 20+ waiter rush.

I also wonder how Target adjusted the store profit goals with the loss of pharmacy. They would *always* be under before I sent out closing notes.

Did your RxBP lose their job too?

Sorry about all the questions, just super curious. Lol.

I'm in a superTarget and they were always under goal too; pharmacy would help them achieve their daily goals. I am in an underprivileged area with a lot of theft though, so they have a hard time making goal.

Our RXBP resigned right after the HR transition; he was not fired though. He left and got a sweet gig M-F 9-5. He was an awesome tenured leader, so about 7-8 RPhs quit within a month after he left because they were only okay with working for CVS if the leadership stayed the same. I still miss him lol

My STL told me about 2-3 months that Target was supposed to adjust their sales goals, but they didn't so they were kinda missing the pharmacy money lol
 
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