Cvs issues/ tech hrs cut and micromanagement

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I thought with the change in management there would be less micromanagement... I was wrong...
Our district leader is driving us crazy and now with the drastic cut in tech hrs it is almost impossible to run the store . Why does cvs keep cutting tech hrs? I thought they would save a tremendous amount of mone in the tax cut.
We all miss our previous rx supervisor.
 
ancienbon said:
I thought with the change in management there would be less micromanagement... I was wrong...
Our district leader is driving us crazy and now with the drastic cut in tech hrs it is almost impossible to run the store . Why does cvs keep cutting tech hrs? I thought they would save a tremendous amount of mone in the tax cut.
We all miss our previous rx supervisor.
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Same here ever since district leader told us not to have even “a second” over the mySchedule demand hours starting a month ago we have been in chaos now swimming in 50+ pages of QP. Completely insane.
 
New DM (not RPh) also has no concept of space (shelving capacity) or time (tech hours, work flow, priority) when stepping into a pharmacy.
There is a big disconnect between managing store front vs. managing pharmacy with these new DMs...

Kind of getting tired of averaging about 3-5 emails a day on statistics & "homework" assignments

Fantasy would be torturing a DM by having him/her work as a tech for 1 week...yelling at him/her everytime a mistake is made & every time he/she does something in the least time efficient way possible...& have them email me an action plan on how to improve...in an excel format only of course & off the clock of course
 
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Slightly off topic, but I'm guessing you all would not recommend working at CVS as a tech?
 
ancienbon said:
I thought with the change in management there would be less micromanagement... I was wrong...
Our district leader is driving us crazy and now with the drastic cut in tech hrs it is almost impossible to run the store . Why does cvs keep cutting tech hrs? I thought they would save a tremendous amount of mone in the tax cut.
We all miss our previous rx supervisor.
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The DMs are walking on egg shells. They are worried they would be next. So more micromanage and more cuts.


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ancienbon said:
I thought with the change in management there would be less micromanagement... I was wrong...
Our district leader is driving us crazy and now with the drastic cut in tech hrs it is almost impossible to run the store . Why does cvs keep cutting tech hrs? I thought they would save a tremendous amount of mone in the tax cut.
We all miss our previous rx supervisor.
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At my store, with the new raised in tech salary, each tech is going to see their wage go up by 2-3 dollars per hour. CVS is going to recoup that money from somewhere. It is becoming very very difficult to do our jobs.
 
DrVader said:
At my store, with the new raised in tech salary, each tech is going to see their wage go up by 2-3 dollars per hour. CVS is going to recoup that money from somewhere. It is becoming very very difficult to do our jobs.
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Hopefully they can just take it from the Pharmacist's wage. They are way over paid currently with the massive surplus coming. The gap between pharmDs and technicians pay needs to close. Techs deserve to be compensated well enough to support their families.
 
Modest_anteater said:
Hopefully they can just take it from the Pharmacist's wage. They are way over paid currently with the massive surplus coming. The gap between pharmDs and technicians pay needs to close. Techs deserve to be compensated well enough to support their families.
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While I think techs should be paid more, they should not make as much as a pharmacist. They haven't gone through school and they aren't responsible for anything if something goes wrong.
 
Hulkbuster333 said:
While I think techs should be paid more, they should not make as much as a pharmacist. They haven't gone through school and they aren't responsible for anything if something goes wrong.
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I agree not as much. Maybe 80% as much. So techs making 30 an hour and 37.50 an hour for pharmacists or roughly 75,000 USD a year way more than enough to live off.
 
Modest_anteater said:
I agree not as much. Maybe 80% as much. So techs making 30 an hour and 37.50 an hour for pharmacists or roughly 75,000 USD a year way more than enough to live off.
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I mean, I feel like I'm underpaid now, but I am fairly new to the field. However, $30 for a Tech? I don't see that. Maybe $20 with experience and higher depending on the amount of sterile compounding one does. By comparisons nurses make around 35 or so if I'm not mistaken. I don't see the need for RPhs to take a cut, though.
 
Lol @ obvious trolling. I would put a hard cap at 20/hr for career techs. I’ve met techs that make more than that but I’ve never met one that Made that much that I thought deserved to.
 
LoL $30 for a tech who requires a high school diploma and has no liability? That's more than what entry level engineers, accountants, nurses and even some lawyers make.
 
owlegrad said:
Lol @ obvious trolling. I would put a hard cap at 20/hr for career techs. I’ve met techs that make more than that but I’ve never met one that Made that much that I thought deserved to.
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I have a tech that makes that amount and sits on her rear end all day and texts every 3 minutes. Totally deserves it. We forgot to give her a bonus last year though.
 
mentos said:
LoL $30 for a tech who requires a high school diploma and has no liability? That's more than what entry level engineers, accountants, nurses and even some lawyers make.
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More and more states are increasing the barrier to entry for technicians. Total scam if you ask me but it is what it is.
 
Sabril said:
I have a tech that makes that amount and sits on her rear end all day and texts every 3 minutes. Totally deserves it. We forgot to give her a bonus last year though.
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But does she act like she runs the pharmacy while actively making other techs hate her and their job? Bonus points if she actively prevents or discourages training and development!
 
I agree with tech raises (not from the pharmacists though) the techs are the exact reason why pharmacists hate their jobs.

If you pay techs $20/hour, I guarantee you they will work harder and more efficiently making everyone like their jobs more.

Question is would anyone give up part of their pay to keep good techs around?

The answer is no since every new pharmacist is only in it for the money.
 
ancienbon said:
I thought with the change in management there would be less micromanagement... I was wrong...
Our district leader is driving us crazy and now with the drastic cut in tech hrs it is almost impossible to run the store . Why does cvs keep cutting tech hrs? I thought they would save a tremendous amount of mone in the tax cut.
We all miss our previous rx supervisor.
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Come to walgreens and you will see how lean we run. CVS has a ton of metrics but they have more hours than wags.
 
owlegrad said:
But does she act like she runs the pharmacy while actively making other techs hate her and their job? Bonus points if she actively prevents or discourages training and development!
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I think we worked at the same pharmacy at one time.
 
With all the clown-show techs I've had to run off over the years, especially old-regime techs, I wouldn't tolerate retail techs making 30/hour without a corresponding increase in accountability, i.e., easier to discipline for mistakes.
 
ancienbon said:
I thought with the change in management there would be less micromanagement... I was wrong...
Our district leader is driving us crazy and now with the drastic cut in tech hrs it is almost impossible to run the store . Why does cvs keep cutting tech hrs? I thought they would save a tremendous amount of mone in the tax cut.
We all miss our previous rx supervisor.
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CVS is flushing their business down the toilet by the day. If no one wants to work for you, how will you sustain your business?
 
owlegrad said:
Lol @ obvious trolling. I would put a hard cap at 20/hr for career techs. I’ve met techs that make more than that but I’ve never met one that Made that much that I thought deserved to.
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To be fair I meant 30 USD / hour as a cap ceiling for techs that have been with the same company for 25+ years.
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
CVS is flushing their business down the toilet by the day. If no one wants to work for you, how will you sustain your business?
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New grads will be desperate for jobs and willing to work for ANYTHING to get their foot in the door. That includes working as a new pharmacist for 50,000 USD a year. This will reduce demand for all pharmacists.
 
Modest_anteater said:
New grads will be desperate for jobs and willing to work for ANYTHING to get their foot in the door. That includes working as a new pharmacist for 50,000 USD a year. This will reduce demand for all pharmacists.
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I've been hearing this for a while now. Has it actually happened anywhere yet? not sure what the legal procedures will be with the department of labor if they abused their hiring power this way but even if they allowed this to happen, no matter how desperate, no pharmd will take a job for $50000...
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
I've been hearing this for a while now. Has it actually happened anywhere yet? not sure what the legal procedures will be with the department of labor if they abused their hiring power this way but even if they allowed this to happen, no matter how desperate, no pharmd will take a job for $50000...
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I saw a job ad here in Florida for full-time pharmacist position for independent pharmacy for $35. Scary if the'res actually applicants for this position.
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
I've been hearing this for a while now. Has it actually happened anywhere yet? not sure what the legal procedures will be with the department of labor if they abused their hiring power this way but even if they allowed this to happen, no matter how desperate, no pharmd will take a job for $50000...
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Many new grads would glady take 50,000 USD floating parttime at 30 hours a week. The market is deteriorating fast with 17,000 new PharmDs a year being printed and only ~900 new jobs being created a year.
 
PharmacistFl12 said:
I saw a job ad here in Florida for full-time pharmacist position for independent pharmacy for $35. Scary if the'res actually applicants for this position.
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This is only the start. I'm sure they got at least ten applications for the job.
 
VictorOfHungerGames said:
I've been hearing this for a while now. Has it actually happened anywhere yet? not sure what the legal procedures will be with the department of labor if they abused their hiring power this way but even if they allowed this to happen, no matter how desperate, no pharmd will take a job for $50000...
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This is a residency roughly $50,000 a year. I think that declining wages, less jobs period and poor working conditions are starting to have an effect on applicants but the tide has not turned yet. What do you do when you have invested 6 + years and $100 k+? There are some jobs that will pay in the 40K range with OJT but not many. The Department of Labor does not care nothing illegal about lowering wages. How low can employers offer pharmacists before they stop coming..... yet to be seen.

I laugh at this thread because I worked for CVS years ago when there still was a shortage. Sometimes stores would not open. I could get drive time, mileage, negotiate pay (usually 12 for 10), close the pharmacy for lunch (i did this, district office approved). I never met my DM, I was hired by a recruiter. The store manager rarely got involved in anything. I also opened the store late so I could go to church (corporate approved).
 
Modest anteater must be the biggest troll on this board right now. Not sure if he/she is a pharmacy school dropout/disgruntled pharmacy tech or what.
 
jasonkido said:
Modest anteater must be the biggest troll on this board right now. Not sure if he/she is a pharmacy school dropout/disgruntled pharmacy tech or what.
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What exactly do you think I have said that is "trolling". I am actually a staunch advocate against trolling.
 
Is Walgreens or Rite Aid any better than CVS? Obviously all chains but by and large is one objectively better than the rest? I only have experience in independent.
 
owlegrad said:
But does she act like she runs the pharmacy while actively making other techs hate her and their job? Bonus points if she actively prevents or discourages training and development!
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#everypharmacy

wagrxm2000 said:
I agree with tech raises (not from the pharmacists though) the techs are the exact reason why pharmacists hate their jobs.

If you pay techs $20/hour, I guarantee you they will work harder and more efficiently making everyone like their jobs more.

Question is would anyone give up part of their pay to keep good techs around?

The answer is no since every new pharmacist is only in it for the money.
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While I am in it for the money, I'd be happy to give $4/hr to a good tech that was with me 40/hrs. The problem with techs and low-wage individuals is the good ol "give them an inch and they ask for a mile."

Sine Cura said:
With all the clown-show techs I've had to run off over the years, especially old-regime techs, I wouldn't tolerate retail techs making 30/hour without a corresponding increase in accountability, i.e., easier to discipline for mistakes.
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I've heard Walmart lead techs make up to 27ish
 
Doktor_dud3 said:
Is Walgreens or Rite Aid any better than CVS? Obviously all chains but by and large is one objectively better than the rest? I only have experience in independent.
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Retail chain is going to be retail chain. From my experience, Wag and CVS were about the same. I've heard others say Wag is a little better but not by much. I thought Target/CVS would be better but it was not. Also, I would add that each store is going to be different i.e. having good techs/management team vs crappy techs and evil-minded managers. Of course, if you're a DM of a chain pharmacy, you've sold you're soul to the devil so... lol no offense to all you DMs out there, but you know you did =)
 
owlegrad said:
More and more states are increasing the barrier to entry for technicians. Total scam if you ask me but it is what it is.
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That is kinda a good thing. One of the reasons why techs get treated so poorly by CVS and Wags is that they are completely expendable. In my state, all you need to do in order to become a tech is have a high diploma. CVS will hire people off the streets and make them a ticket. The license in many states is a joke. A higher barrier to entry will equal better treatment and a higher salary for techs. God knows they need it.
 
DrVader said:
That is kinda a good thing. One of the reasons why techs get treated so poorly by CVS and Wags is that they are completely expendable. In my state, all you need to do in order to become a tech is have a high diploma. CVS will hire people off the streets and make them a ticket. The license in many states is a joke. A higher barrier to entry will equal better treatment and a higher salary for techs. God knows they need it.
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I do not totally disagree with you, but the flip side is that many of the best techs are ones hired off the streets. Raising the barrier to entry just prevents premeds and prepharmacy students from working as techs in undergrad (or at least makes it less likely) and deters people with half a brain from becoming techs in the first place (who on earth pays tuition to become a tech? For the most part, people who do not know what they are getting themselves into).

Raising the barrier to entry may have long-term positive effects on the technician market but in the short term it just makes it hard to hire good techs and helps to keep poor performers around. And of course it has great effects on the pharmacy technician 'education' market.
 
owlegrad said:
I do not totally disagree with you, but the flip side is that many of the best techs are ones hired off the streets. Raising the barrier to entry just prevents premeds and prepharmacy students from working as techs in undergrad (or at least makes it less likely) and deters people with half a brain from becoming techs in the first place (who on earth pays tuition to become a tech? For the most part, people who do not know what they are getting themselves into).

Raising the barrier to entry may have long-term positive effects on the technician market but in the short term it just makes it hard to hire good techs and helps to keep poor performers around. And of course it has great effects on the pharmacy technician 'education' market.
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The tech barrier in NC is fairly low. If it was any higher, I likely wouldn't have a job. More importantly, I wouldn't have found out that I really enjoy Pharmacy 🙂
 
Lol @ techs making 30/hr with HS education. Some of you are pathetic. Techs have no liability. They need to be babysat on the daily. Half are in there 30/40’s and act like 18 year olds. Everything at the end of the day falls on Rxmanager/Staff Pharmacist. Patient complaints, misfills and everything else. 15-20/hr is sufficient for a tech job. They don’t go home wondering if they verified something wrong or anything. They leave job is over. This is why our career is going down hill. We’re talking about lowering rph pay and increasing tech pay. Pathetic.
 
6GodPharm said:
Lol @ techs making 30/hr with HS education. Some of you are pathetic. Techs have no liability. They need to be babysat on the daily. Half are in there 30/40’s and act like 18 year olds. Everything at the end of the day falls on Rxmanager/Staff Pharmacist. Patient complaints, misfills and everything else. 15-20/hr is sufficient for a tech job. They don’t go home wondering if they verified something wrong or anything. They leave job is over. This is why our career is going down hill. We’re talking about lowering rph pay and increasing tech pay. Pathetic.
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I agree with this. Techs getting anything more than $20 is absurd considering how little is required to become a tech. Maybe with years of experience and other certifications, higher wage makes sense but $30/hr for a tech is a crazy talk when all you need is a high school diploma. Also, why are people wanting to lower pharmacist pay?! We are underpaid to begin with... we need to work towards more fair working environment and increased wages for all the crap that we have to go through i would think.
 
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