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pedro said:Any preference?
pedro said:How's job market, salary, and lifestyle etc....? I know its really dep on region and instuition.... but I just want to get general ideas about those two fields.. Thanks
LADoc00 said:Derm for the win, end of story. Cyto has so many problems its not even funny. If I did unfortunately do a cyto fellowship I wouldnt even put it on my CV for fear of being made the 'cyto beotch' and getting 100 paps/day. I cant tell you the number of people that have told me the cyto fellowship was one of their worst mistakes....its quite alot.
pathdawg said:Cyto beotch here. I did a cyto fellowship. I wouldn't exactly call it one of the worst mistakes I ever made (that distinction would go to the decision to go to med school in the first place). While I think LADOC is overstating it a bit (shocker), I do agree that dermpath is a better gig, in that you can be a total diva and only read skin. I cannot only read fna's. Hell, I know dermpaths who won't even look at a slide unless its skin AND interesting.
LADoc00 said:Derm for the win, end of story. Cyto has so many problems its not even funny. If I did unfortunately do a cyto fellowship I wouldnt even put it on my CV for fear of being made the 'cyto beotch' and getting 100 paps/day. I cant tell you the number of people that have told me the cyto fellowship was one of their worst mistakes....its quite alot.
pedro said:Anyone knows how hard to get those fellowships?
Do I really have to do both AP/CP? Hows jobmarket after each fellowship?
I just heard horrible stories about getting jobs .........
Thank you all
PathOne said:Ehh, which fellowships? HUGE variance across both fields, geography and institutions (where you came from and where you are going).
I think it's probably fair to say that life as a pure AP/CP or AP only with no fellowship will get increasingly difficult. Got to specialize...
scopemonkey said:I agree. Most people were doing fellowships before they shortened the residency and there is an expectation that you will do a fellowship in the place of that fifth year.
I mulled over dermpath vs. cytology for a while and finally decided to do cytology because looking at skin ALL THE TIME was a little limiting. I like the fact that in most places you do both cytology and surgpath in a regular basis. (I have a very short attention span)
I've run into a number of people who have done more than one fellowship. I'm not sure what to make of it. I could see myself doing GI fellowship as well.
stop the madness
pedro said:How hard to get Dermatopath fellowship? (esp. NYC area, I am from NY) I heard it's very very difficult... Does dermatopathologist do skin biopsy? Thanks!!
pedro said:How hard to get Dermatopath fellowship? (esp. NYC area, I am from NY) I heard it's very very difficult... Does dermatopathologist do skin biopsy? Thanks!!
PathOne said:Thus, stellar scores and residency at places like MGH, BWH, JHU is certainly helpful, if you want to be competitive.QUOTE]
When you say "stellar scores" do you mean USMLE 1 and 2, or RISE? What about step 3. Would a 99 on step 3 be of any help?
LADoc00 said:My advice: do the least you have to do to get a good job, then begin working the biz side of medicine. Get on admin committees and shat like that. Dude, I applied to the MSKs/MDAs/JHU type fellowships thinking that would get me ahead, when it comes down to it, it just makes you somebody's well-read, well-educated little bitch.
PathOne said:The selection process seems rather opaque. But since derms and paths are competing for the same positions, it would certainly be true that you'd need to be a strong applicant coming from path, so derm stats can be a - rough - guide.
Also note, that since dermpath is post-residency (like all fellowships), the PD's have more parameters on which to judge your aptitude. Strong LoR's and proven aptitude in a strong derm/path program seem to play a very big role, as does interview.
Dermpath is generally not as IMG/FMG-hostile as derm, and if you have a strong resume, a non-US degree certainly wouldn't exclude you. However, I don't think anyone cares about your Step 3...