D.O. Programs

[Dotsero]

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Does anyone have any information (training quality, competitiveness, resident satisfaction...) regarding the following osteopathic ob-gyn residencies?

Metro health
St Joseph Mercy Oakland
Sisters of Charity in Buffalo NY
Genesys
Mercy Health Partners
Geisinger in PA

Thanks

 

[Dotsero]

Anyone have any thoughts on these programs?

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I'd only consider Geisinger. They have fellowships.
Screw the others.
Also, do yourself a favor and go MD. More fellowship options, and from my classmates who matched, it's not super competitive either.

 

[Pfannenstiel29]

I rotated at Genesys and found it to be a very high quality program.

However, I agree somewhat with Doctor4Life... I personally ended up going with the NRMP match for obgyn because overall there were many, many more choices in programs. Personally, I found the allopathic programs, in many ways, LESS competitive than the osteopathic ones. Many of the osteo obgyn programs wouldn't seriously consider candidates who didn't rotate there, and in some cities/states with only 1 or 2 DO programs it seemed as if they had their intern class picked out before the interviews 🙄

 

[kirurgilaakari]

I rotated at Genesys and found it to be a very high quality program.

However, I agree somewhat with Doctor4Life... I personally ended up going with the NRMP match for obgyn because overall there were many, many more choices in programs. Personally, I found the allopathic programs, in many ways, LESS competitive than the osteopathic ones. Many of the osteo obgyn programs wouldn't seriously consider candidates who didn't rotate there, and in some cities/states with only 1 or 2 DO programs it seemed as if they had their intern class picked out before the interviews 🙄

Agreed. In the Osteopathic world, it is very much who you know. Although, there are ALOT of exceptions. It is becoming, actually, standard for DO trained OB/GYNs from Osteopathic programs that are pursuing, and getting accepted into competitive fellowship programs, but as the previous two posters said, your more likely to be successful at that if you trained at a program that already has an established fellowship program.

About the DO programs, MOST are really good programs. Metro, in Grand Rapids is a really nice program. The hospital is very new, and nice. Their numbers arent all that great, but their curriculum seems to focus on GYN surg more than others. Mercy Health in Muskegon, I am sorta biased about. I loved it there as a student. The residents are like a close knit family. It is a very heavy surgical residency with early exposure to major cases and surgeon C/S's. I dont know much about the other programs. Best is to spend 3 months doing auditions at the places you like the most, and just hope for the best. Good luck!

 

[sia_simba]

Hello OP

I would have to disagree with some of the mention comments. I am finishing a DO program Wyckoff Heights in Brooklyn NY and some of my previous senior residents did fellowship in REI, MFM, GYn-oncology, etc.

I have been to many workshop and met with residents from all over the United States especially the ones from NYC and we are talking about cornell, mtsinai, columbia... when we actually got to talking, they don't do any more cases than I do, nor do they know anymore than I do. matter of fact, I have more published papers than half of them.

There is no fellowship program associated with my hospital. So as a PGY-3/4 I was the main surgeon on radical vulvectomies and radical hysterectomies. I have done many MMK/preyr. and TVT. I have performed many laparoscopic procedures as well. In terms of surgeries... I did not shy.

I am not trying to brag or anything, but I don't want you to think that DO programs aren't competitive because there are no fellowship affiliations.

Thats my two cent.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

For you guys who went to a DO residency, then got an MD fellowship... were you able to even sit for the sub-specialty boards? I know in anesthesiology, if I had gone DO, then followed up with an MD fellowship in say cardiac anesthesiology, I would not have been eligible to sit for the subspecialty boards. Thus, I'd be trained for a year, but not "board eligible." Something else to consider if the rules are similarly applied for OB.

 

[HoosierDO]

As someone that is currently in the middle of applying for MFM fellowship, if I had to do it over again, i likely wouldnt go DO for residency. As a DO graduating from a DO residency, over half of the MFM programs wouldnt even take my application. They refused to consider my application since I WILL NOT ever be eligible for ABOG boards. They do not consider my AOBOG boards to be "board certified". Now that being said, there were 33 amazing spots for me to apply for, and they were all great programs, and I have quite a few interviews lined up. But...again, if I had to do it over again, I wouldnt do a DO fellowship. just not enough avenues in the end🙁

 

[styphon]

If still interested, I have some input about Sisters hospital in buffalo.

 

[Dotsero]

If still interested, I have some input about Sisters hospital in buffalo.

Definitely interested.

 

[Diane L. Evans]

Very interesting comments

I am a DO but applied to allopathic programs simple due to the fact that there were very few osteopathic fellowships and not many residencies near my hometown.

The osteopathic programs do offer their candidates loads of experience and osteopathic residents are now more common in the applicant pool for allopathic fellowships.

I think losing ones OMT skills is a huge loss for the DO student and this is even more true if one enters an allopathic residency.

The flip side is I am lucky enough to be accepted for dual accreditation since allopathic training can be " approved" on a case by case basis to allow one to sit for the osteopathic boards. Which gives the DO graduate an opportunity to continue to teach within the community regardless of the training.

Both allopathic and osteopathic residencies go through a rigorous inspection and trustfully I have not seen any poorly training osteopathic graduates.

This is just my 2 cents and opinion.

Good luck

Diane