D.O. take MCAT?

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Should Seth take the MCAT on 1/25 if he'll go anywhere in the U.S. if accepted?

  • Absolutely; your scores/grades are too low

    Votes: 13 16.5%
  • Maybe; only if you study hard and are sure you'll improve

    Votes: 31 39.2%
  • No; if you'll go to any D.O. school, your scores are good enough to get in somewhere.

    Votes: 12 15.2%
  • Don't care about Seth

    Votes: 23 29.1%

  • Total voters
    79
  • Poll closed .
The dude swore up and down that DO wasn't a back-up, that he wanted to be a DO, that he'd even choose some DO schools over MD schools. He said he wanted to educate others about DO schools and how great they were. Then, he gets a DO acceptance, defers a year so he can apply MD, with the additive -- I won't be applying DO this time. Obviously, DO was a back up which contradicted all his protests.

The only thing i question is you have a 3.4 gpa 3.2 science gpa and a 26 on the mcat. None of those 3 stats are close to an average MD school. Usually a low science gpa + low mcat equal rejection. You averages are lower than TCOM's average.

I am not sure how easy texas schools are, but those are not competitive scores for an MD. I think it is ill advised to defer it for a year. If you wanted to go TCOM, it is understandable since it is alot cheaper. You have a decent shot there. Not sure about any of the other schools you applied to
 
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I don't understand your beef. He already has a D.O. acceptance, but rethought his going 200K into debt. He wants to try his shot at TX schools (slightly higher MCAT this time), which as a resident, will cut his debt in half. It's not brain surgery--it's addition.

Let's say he gets 100K chopped off his debt by going to a state Texas school after waiting a year longer. Savings of 100K plus some interest.

Then look at it if he went to school this year. He'd make money one year earlier, and there's plenty of doctors making more than that 100K plus interest he's saving. If it's a decision based on money, it's a poor one. It's wanting to be an MD over DO. When already holding an acceptance, I doubt it's going to happen just because he improved his MCAT a few points.
 
Hey, looks like I'll be taking it afterall. If I don't do as well, then I just won't release the scores to aacomas... sound right or do you think something is amiss? lol

Seth

---The e-mail series is below... Hoping for a 28 to seal the deal... ---

AACOMAS <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: RE: MCAT question
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:05:48 -0500
From: "AACOMAS" <[email protected]>
To: Seth
.Thank you for your email &#8211; your understanding is correct. As far as receipt of scores by the school, it would depend on when they are released to AACOMAS..


From: Seth
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:44 PM
To: AACOMAS
Subject: MCAT question



I plan on retaking the MCAT on 1/25. I was wondering if it is possible for me to view my scores before I have them sent to individual osteopathic med schools? I would like to know my score before I show it to anyone else. Also, will the schools ever receive the scores if I do not order a score report sent to them or AACOMAS?
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The AAMC heads both the MCAT and the AMCAS. They are inextricably connected-- when MCAT scores are available, they are directly available by AMCAS as well and AMCAS forwards them to applicable med schools. Since the AAMC doesn't directly associate with AACOMAS, a score report would be required for validation before any scores are sent to applicable colleges.

This is my current understanding; please let me know if I'm mistaken.



Wait, we don't have to send every MCAT score to every school???? 😕Then why did i send mine?😱
 
Wait, we don't have to send every MCAT score to every school???? 😕Then why did i send mine?😱

You dont have to show your second score, because the aamc sends it to aacomas on YOUR request, not automatically and if you did worse you can just not send it. If you did better the second time and send the score, the first score will be attached to the second score.
 
BTW: Dont worry about showing your first mcat, if you improve your score, DO schools wouldn't care so much, and see you improve from your mistakes or the first test was a fluke. It is only a problem if you go down. If you took the mcat 5 times then thats a different story. Alot of people take the mcat twice.
 
Let's say he gets 100K chopped off his debt by going to a state Texas school after waiting a year longer. Savings of 100K plus some interest.

Then look at it if he went to school this year. He'd make money one year earlier, and there's plenty of doctors making more than that 100K plus interest he's saving. If it's a decision based on money, it's a poor one. It's wanting to be an MD over DO. When already holding an acceptance, I doubt it's going to happen just because he improved his MCAT a few points.

Yeah I get that. However, 100K of less debt means a much more comfortable life for the first few years out. Just think about cutting your 3K/month student loan in half. This could understandably be more important than having "an extra year of earning potential a few decades from now."

He'd also get to stay in his home state though, instead of spending 4 years away. He also got into schools with very unique teaching styles (LECOM-B and SOMA), and seemingly didn't feel super sold on either. If I was in his shoes--even as a TX res myself--I sure as hell wouldn't have deferred. That being said, I don't think what he's doing is so crazy, and it certainly hasn't convinced me that he doesn't appreciate the DO philosophy (or whatever other pro-DO rhetoric you want to throw at him).

Lastly, I don't think he stands much of a chance in TX. Check out the MSAR for some stats--I think your year will be wasted.
 
I'd be surprised if you were accepted at any of those schools. Once you have a medical school acceptance you have to report those on future applications.

That's what I think, too. Also, there may be a question of what is allowed by SOMA's deferment policy and whether your actions are ethical, or appropriate. You could potentially get dropped by SOMA for what you are doing and end up with nothing next year, when you could have started medical school this year; your dreams of becoming a physician could be shattered by your choices. Then again, everything could be okay. It would be wise to find out SOMA's policy on deferment and whether it is okay to do what you are planning on doing. Perhaps you already did that, but just in case, I thought I'd mention it.

Why did you apply if you weren't going to go to SOMA? I'm sure there was someone on the waitlist who really wanted in....🙄

Because it was clearly a back-up option for him, for better or worse. It is the reality of the process; many choose osteopathic medical schools as a Plan B, which I am actually fine with, as long as both school and student think it's a good match. Who am I to judge? However, I just wonder about the soundness of the OP's plan, both in regard to SOMA's policy and the appropriateness of his choice to defer for a year and apply to schools during that time. If nothing else, the OP is wasting precious time and money (opportunity cost).
 
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Why did you apply if you weren't going to go to SOMA? I'm sure there was someone on the waitlist who really wanted in....🙄

Don't you think someone from the waitlist did get his spot? It's not like he dropped out in the middle of the semester. I'm sure they filled his spot with a waitlister.
 
The dude swore up and down that DO wasn't a back-up, that he wanted to be a DO, that he'd even choose some DO schools over MD schools. He said he wanted to educate others about DO schools and how great they were. Then, he gets a DO acceptance, defers a year so he can apply MD, with the additive -- I won't be applying DO this time. Obviously, DO was a back up which contradicted all his protests.

Everyone be cool... My first choice is TCOM (a D.O. school)... It is also the only Texas school I have a legit shot at; the others are sort of reaching... The reasons I applied to the other MD Texas schools are: one, on the application (require no extra work); two, only $10 extra to apply to; and three, why the heck not (they're good schools)?

I would be perfectly happy going to ATSU, its a great school! I'd prefer to stay out of debt though, if I have the opportunity, and right now I have a chance to do that. Why does everyone keep making this a MD/DO issue???? Its not... I assure you...
 
That's what I think, too. Also, there may be a question of what is allowed by SOMA's deferment policy and whether your actions are ethical, or appropriate. You could potentially get dropped by SOMA for what you are doing and end up with nothing next year, when you could have started medical school this year; your dreams of becoming a physician could be shattered by your choices. Then again, everything could be okay. It would be wise to find out SOMA's policy on deferment and whether it is okay to do what you are planning on doing. Perhaps you already did that, but just in case, I thought I'd mention it.

I believe my actions were ethical. Why else would they make me pay a $2000 deposit if they didn't think it was a possibility I wouldn't come? I lose that deposit if I stay in-state...

Because it was clearly a back-up option for him, for better or worse. It is the reality of the process; many choose osteopathic medical schools as a Plan B, which I am actually fine with, as long as both school and student think it's a good match. Who am I to judge? However, I just wonder about the soundness of the OP's plan, both in regard to SOMA's policy and the appropriateness of his choice to defer for a year and apply to schools during that time. If nothing else, the OP is wasting precious time and money (opportunity cost).

Again, ATSU is not a backup. Its more of a sure-thing that I have at this point, which is GREAT considering where I was at this time last year (actually until april this year, I was kind of up the creek without a paddle). Maybe the plan wasn't completely sound, but I'm the kind of guy who likes to have options and don't just like to jump at the first opportunity that comes my way. And maybe thats wrong. In regard to your point on time/money; I'm young and am not in any rush. That was a major factor in my decision.
 
Why does everyone keep making this a MD/DO issue???? Its not... I assure you...

Because it often is here. Sorry if you got into the mix. I'm sure people didn't mean to be unkind. I'd be quite happy indeed to not talk about dichotomies any more.

Anyway, who cares what people think. As long as you are square with what you want. My main concern was that the choice you are making, to apply to other schools during your deferment is both technically okay, based on SOMA policy, and worth it for you. I wish you luck in whatever you choose.

Again, ATSU is not a backup. Its more of a sure-thing that I have at this point, which is GREAT considering where I was at this time last year (actually until april this year, I was kind of up the creek without a paddle).

If you say so. You are the only one who knows. Again, it doesn't matter what we think, as long as you are clear about what you are doing. Just make sure it isn't going to screw you up. If I were a school, I wouldn't let you defer if I knew you were going to use that time to apply to other schools, and if I were another school I might have some reservations about accepting you, knowing you were already accepted in medical school, but chose to defer. Please check for your own sake.

Also, you are losing one year that you could be practicing at the cost of one year's worth of your physician's salary. However, you seem willing to pay that price for a chance to attend TCOM. I don't have an issue with that, as long as TCOM doesn't trip out because you have already been accepted into SOMA and SOMA doesn't decide to "drop you like it's hot" because you are doing something against it's policy. Then you are without an acceptance to medical school and worse off than you started.
 
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I don't have an issue with that, as long as TCOM doesn't trip out because you have already been accepted into SOMA and SOMA doesn't decide to "drop you like it's hot" because you are doing something against it's policy. Then you are without an acceptance to medical school and worse off than you started.

Do you think TCOM will trip out? I stated why I decided not to go in my app. Basically I said that I wanted to stay closer to home, pay in-state tuition prices, and go to school in the state I will likely eventually practice in. Are those bad reasons? I think it shows them that another school accepted me and I still decided to apply again. It shows resolve to attend and comittment, in my opinion.

Is it against SOMA's policy? If so, I wasn't aware of that. In fact I don't even have a policy yet, she says the deferral paperwork won't even get to me until September.

In all honesty, I don't think they care. I'm paying 2k for the chance. Its a deposit if I go there, but if I don't that's free money to them (since they'll have no problem filling the spot with a good candidate)...
 
Do you think TCOM will trip out? I stated why I decided not to go in my app. Basically I said that I wanted to stay closer to home, pay in-state tuition prices, and go to school in the state I will likely eventually practice in. Are those bad reasons? I think it shows them that another school accepted me and I still decided to apply again. It shows resolve to attend and comittment, in my opinion.

I don't think your reasoning is bad and I don't know what they'd do. I guess we'll see. I wish you :luck:

Is it against SOMA's policy? If so, I wasn't aware of that. In fact I don't even have a policy yet, she says the deferral paperwork won't even get to me until September.

This is worth investigating. Contact their office and ask them for their policy on deferment; see if it is okay to apply to other schools during it. You don't want any unwelcome surprises.

In all honesty, I don't think they care. I'm paying 2k for the chance. Its a deposit if I go there, but if I don't that's free money to them (since they'll have no problem filling the spot with a good candidate)...

I hope it pays off for you!
 
I do not mean to sound rude, but I feel that it will inevitably come across that way. My apologies ahead of time.

I do not think that you are really listening to spicedmanna's advice here; looking at the trees you can see and not the entire forest, kind of thing. You mention that you will not receive this information until September, but what is stopping you from contacting the necessary people at the school yourself? In my opinion, you are being rather cavalier with this entire situation and are not really taking this advice seriously.

Do you think TCOM will trip out? I stated why I decided not to go in my app. Basically I said that I wanted to stay closer to home, pay in-state tuition prices, and go to school in the state I will likely eventually practice in. Are those bad reasons? I think it shows them that another school accepted me and I still decided to apply again. It shows resolve to attend and comittment, in my opinion.

Let us start here. The problem is not that you declined an acceptance (although that might raise some flags with these schools), but that you are holding an acceptance from the prior year just in case these schools do not accept you. If you do not get accepted to TCOM or any other MD programs this year, would you defer your ATSU-SOMA acceptance another year for another shot? I am not saying that your reasons are good or bad because they're your own, but what I am saying is that usually a deferment of education is based upon a need to postpone your academic career and not simply you wanting another shot.

Is it against SOMA's policy? If so, I wasn't aware of that. In fact I don't even have a policy yet, she says the deferral paperwork won't even get to me until September.

Again, I reiterate your need to contact them directly, and as soon as you have the chance to do so. Policy is policy, and whether you've read over it or not, you are being held to the standards that all other people who have or ever will defer their eduation at ATSU-SOMA have been or will be held to (pending some change in policy, of course). Simply feigning ignorance will not get you very far with an Admissions Committee, especially based upon the number of applicants they receive year in and year out, something you address in your next paragraph...

In all honesty, I don't think they care. I'm paying 2k for the chance. Its a deposit if I go there, but if I don't that's free money to them (since they'll have no problem filling the spot with a good candidate)...

You've hit my point exactly: they will have no problem dropping you and forgetting about you should you breach their deferment policy. On top of that, you will be blacklisted from ever applying there again.

I think what everyone who is reading this is feeling is that you are being rather blasé about this entire situation: if I'm wrong, then so be it. I would personally feel terrible if you were to ruin your chances at your potential future career by not making absolutely sure of everything. You have chosen medicine to be your career and have already begun the arduous task of starting that journey. If this is something you truly care about, much like the hundreds of people that lurk the SDN boards and other boards on an hourly basis, I would think you would make sure that what you are doing is not a violation of the terms of your deferment.

Ignorance is never an option in making a decision, it a poor attempt at an excuse.

Good luck with your applications.
 
Lumas,

I appreciate your comments, they are blunt, but not necessarily off-based... I have, in fact, contacted the school and wanted to read over the deferment contract, she told me that it wouldn't be ready until september. Here's part of an e-mail exchange on June 4.
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Seth: If you have any extra information about the options for people who choose deferment, any updates concerning CHC's, changes in the cirriculum, etc. please e-mail them to me if you wouldn't mind.

Admissions:
I've got you on the defer list for class of 2013, but you won't hear from us until
September or October when we send out a new contract.
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Anyways, I'm going to e-mail her to ask about new CHC assignments here in a couple
days. I will ask again for literature concerning my deferment.
 
I don't see why anyone would defer an acceptance unless there were serious extenuating circumstances... not just because you didn't get into your school of choice. I agree, if he didn't want to attend there, he should've saved his time/$ and not applied. I'm sure he was aware of tuition prior to submitting app. Not hearing that
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I don't see why anyone would defer an acceptance unless there were serious extenuating circumstances... not just because you didn't get into your school of choice. I agree, if he didn't want to attend there, he should've saved his time/$ and not applied. I'm sure he was aware of tuition prior to submitting app. Not hearing that
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I do want to attend there. I don't think some of you are reading all my reasons for deferment. haha

Its just like if you get into multiple schools during a single application cycle. Just because you chose one over another doesn't mean "I didn't want to go to that other school" its a pro's/con's list. When you have options, you can do that, when you don't - you are forced to go with the only thing in front of you... Again, I'm trying to create options - not avoiding some sort of "backup" or whatever ur talking about... lol

I got in in late April and everything was moving too fast, I didn't want to be forced to go anywhere (they make u decide w/i 2 weeks)... I made the mistake last year of applying late (as well as retaking the mcat late), probably the reason I didn't get into more D.O. schools (in my opinion). I don't want a mistake like that to prevent me from saving money in the long run. But I know I'll be happy wherever I end up, so its all good... 😎
 
Lumas,

I appreciate your comments, they are blunt, but not necessarily off-based... I have, in fact, contacted the school and wanted to read over the deferment contract, she told me that it wouldn't be ready until september. Here's part of an e-mail exchange on June 4.
--
Seth: If you have any extra information about the options for people who choose deferment, any updates concerning CHC's, changes in the cirriculum, etc. please e-mail them to me if you wouldn't mind.

Admissions:
I've got you on the defer list for class of 2013, but you won't hear from us until
September or October when we send out a new contract.
--
Anyways, I'm going to e-mail her to ask about new CHC assignments here in a couple
days. I will ask again for literature concerning my deferment.

It could be a dangerous game you are playing. Simply ask it directly, anonymously if you prefer. Ask, "Is it okay for me to apply to other schools while deferring my acceptance at yours?" "What's your policy on that?" I don't see why it's too hard to do that. Likewise, you should ask the schools you are applying to, anonymously if you want, "Is it okay for me to apply to your school while am I under deferment at another school?" Honestly, it could save you a lot of trouble. Don't make assumptions, if you can avoid it, especially with stakes this high. If you are going to take a risk, make a thoroughly informed one.

Look, I don't care if you pay any attention to my advice, or not, but understand that I am trying to prevent you from possibly violating deferment policy and getting your butt kicked out of the program. If things don't work out for you this year, etc., and you get dropped from the program for violating deferment policy, you won't have any acceptance. That would really suck.
 
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