DAT Acceptance averages going up?

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Hey everyone, thought I’d open up a discussion on this and want to hear your thoughts. With the emergence of study aids like Bootcanp, do you all notice that scores such as 23-24 are becoming much more commonplace? A couple years ago when I took it a 21 was considered solid, but now it seems like everyone and their cousin is hitting a 23+ And some are even retaking DATs that are under 22. Don’t get me wrong, they’ve put in a ton of work and dedication and earned those scores. I’ve been seeing more of these 99% scores pop up and I wanted to hear your thoughts.

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I think you are seeing the top percent of students taking the exam. There are still many students that don't score well. I would consider those people you see on bootcamp and even here to be an exception to the norm. It's a certain sample size but doesn't show everything because at the end of the day it's a standardized test. Hope that helps!
 
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I think that the admitted student averages are increasing overall. But also more schools are evaluating applications more holistically now so that might help accommodate the score increase. Looking at competitive scores from 2015 test, people were cool with 19s and 20s but now I think people would want to retake like you said. I think the averages are increasing overall because of the availability of study material and strategy advancement. I don't think the exam has changed, but even now there are loads of PAT strategies readily available that weren't available even a few years ago. But I do think that thenextcarnegie is right in that you are seeing the best of the best, when people talk about their scores so I would look more at the averages and ranges of scores of admitted students. Scores are going up but I think the ranges are staying the same.
 
First-time, first-year enrollees:
Mean AA: 20.3
Mean PAT: 20.4
Mean TS: 20.1

5th-95th percentile range of first-time, first-year enrollees AA: 17-24

Source: ADEA Guide 2017-2018
 
You mean predents have found a way around the Bell Curve?

No, but if you have new study materials that prepare you well enough where you to only miss one or two questions on a section, you’ll achieve a 23+ regardless of what other students are getting. I don’t think the exam has changed, but I do believe that study aids have become better at replicating the actual test than in the previous years.
 
Even with the superior study materials, getting >20 is a tough task. You can only miss around 4-5 questions for science and QR, and 8-10 for RC (not sure about PAT). So what it really boils down to is composure under pressure on test day, which is a skill in itself. I think seeing everyone with a 23 is sample bias.
 
No, but if you have new study materials that prepare you well enough where you to only miss one or two questions on a section, you’ll achieve a 23+ regardless of what other students are getting. I don’t think the exam has changed, but I do believe that study aids have become better at replicating the actual test than in the previous years.
the whole point of bell curve is that there will be a curve no matter what and 23 will correspond to some percentile (~98) no matter what. those that get 23 will be top 2%.....i think what you're trying to say is people are getting better prepared for these exams and it's harder for people with less resources to be competitive with those who do. this sdn sample is super biased. also sometimes section scores cap at certain number if certain number of ppl get 0 wrongs; to confine to the bell curve
 
No stats to back this up, but to me it seems that just more people are applying each year for the same amount of seats, meaning if the bell curve stayed the same, more people occupy those higher percentiles and the average DAT of those accepted go up
 
I don’t think 23 is that hard to get. As long as u study it ass off for a month, u will get it on ur first try. That’s why u can see so many 23 on sdn. Yes, I do agree the dat is going up.
Don’t try to make anyone feel bad about their dat score by saying you only need one month of studying to get a 23. Thats absolute BS and not true. With that logic, you should have Studied a little longer and gotten a 30.

I studied 2.5 months (a whole summer) for a 23 AA and I would gladly do it again.
 
Don’t try to make anyone feel bad about their dat score by saying you only need one month of studying to get a 23. Thats absolute BS and not true. With that logic, you should have Studied a little longer and gotten a 30.

I studied 2.5 months (a whole summer) for a 23 AA and I would gladly do it again.
Well you can study for one or two years to get 30. But it would be meaningless. Cuz you don’t need 30 to get in D-school. Study ur ass off for a month means you need to study at least 10-12 hours everyday then you can get a 23. I have seen many international students done it, even higher than 23. And they are non-native speakers. I am not trying to make ppl feel bad about their dat scores. I just wanna say if you are really motivated and put a lot of effort in it, there’s no reason u should not get a good score. When I study for my dat, all I thought about was that if I couldn’t get a good score, my future would be screwed. I didn’t give myself any excuses or second chance. Don’t think you can try again and it’s ok to not do well on the first try, and you will get what you want.
 
I don’t think 23 is that hard to get. As long as u study it ass off for a month, u will get it on ur first try. That’s why u can see so many 23 on sdn. Yes, I do agree the dat is going up.

Idk whether it was how you prepared, but I know of at least 2 people who studied intensely for 2 months and got a 21 & 19. Mind you this was over a year ago. I wouldn’t try to invalidate those people or people in similar situations.
 
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Idk whether it was how you prepared, but I know of at least 2 people who studied intensely for 2 months and got a 21 & 19. Mind you this was over a year ago. I wouldn’t try to invalidate those people or people in similar situations.
It all depends on how they studied. Like 5h a day? 3h a day? And what materials did they use? It also depends on if they’be built up a good foundation of bio gen chem and orgo. If they got all As on these classes, they could totally get 23 after one-month study. Everyone is different. Work hard and you will get it.
 
This is a little long, but it should clear things up for some people.

The average DAT scores for applicants and matriculants have definitely gone up over the years. However, the average DAT score for all test-takers have remained somewhere between 17 and 18 since the late 90s.

In 2000, the average DAT score for all test-takers was 17.6. In 2010, it was 17.6 and even today ADA says "18 typically signifies average performance." I couldn't find the data, but it's probably somewhere between 17 and 18.

In 2000, the average DAT score for the applicants was 17.8. In 2010, it was 18.2 and now it is around 19.

In 2000, the average DAT score for the matriculants was 17.8. In 2010, it was 19.3 and now it is around 20.

Does this mean that the improved test prep materials have made the DAT easier, so that anybody can get a 22+ easily? Hardly.

It is no coincidence that the average DAT score hovers between 17 and 18. The ADA, using various methods for test standardizing, makes sure it stays there. As the DAT prep materials get better and people start doing better, the ADA adjusts the DAT and makes it harder, with the aim of keeping the average somewhere between 17 and 18. If they kept the questions at the same level all the time, the test prep industry would catch on and everybody would get a 21+. That would render the DAT useless as a tool for differentiating the applicants.

The standardizing is done by constantly updating the tests based on the latest data (e.g. some of the questions you answered are unscored and are used for test construction). Of course, it is not perfect, hence the deviation in percentiles for two equal scores (they used to tell you percentiles for each section, and it was slightly different for every test even when the scores were equal).

You may have noticed that the 2009 DAT was slightly more difficult than the 2007 DAT. That's the ADA working to keep up with the test takers.

Granted, there are always outliers but overall, 17-18 will be the average score no matter how great test prep materials get, as long as ADA keeps up the good work.

Thus, the conclusion we should come to based on the increase in the applicant/matriculant scores is not that the DAT has become easier to beat, but that the surge in the number of DAT takers has resulted in more people with higher scores, which in turn increased the number of applicants with higher scores. Of course, this raised the standard since there is less reason to choose someone with <18 when there are 7000 people (60% of the applicant pool) getting 19+ with only about 6000 seats to go around. Moreover, people with lower scores are less likely to apply, further driving up the average score of the applicant pool.

Oh, and I think people can still be proud of their 19-20. That's roughly 70-80th percentile, and despite what SDNers tell you, it still gives you a decent shot at getting in. In 2016, 40.9% of the matriculants had 19-20 while 41.1% had 21+.
 
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I don’t think 23 is that hard to get with all these materials bootcamp, dat Destroyer, etc. As long as u study it ass off for a month, u will get it on ur first try. That’s why u can see so many 23 on sdn. Yes, I do agree the dat is going up.
You see 23's on sdn bc sdn is a microcosm of the pre dent world, not because a 23 is easy to attain. Don't assume people can absorb, and master material as easy as you make it appear. DAT may be going up but not to the extent of everyone scoring in the 98th percentile.
 
You see 23's on sdn bc sdn is a microcosm of the pre dent world, not because a 23 is easy to attain. Don't assume people can absorb, and master material as easy as you make it appear. DAT may be going up but not to the extent of everyone scoring in the 98th percentile.
Microcosm wouldn't be the right word here. If anything, these types of forums attract individuals that are more serious about trying to attend dental school, and those are the same type of individuals that might take DAT studying more seriously.
 
You see 23's on sdn bc sdn is a microcosm of the pre dent world, not because a 23 is easy to attain. Don't assume people can absorb, and master material as easy as you make it appear. DAT may be going up but not to the extent of everyone scoring in the 98th percentile.
I never said 23 was that easy to get u didn’t need to study that much. Many of my friends from other countries got 23 and above, even 26 and they are non-native speakers. How come with all these materials they cannot get 23? As native speakers they don’t even need to practice their reading. I believe as long as you study a lot, it’s not impossible to get 23.
 
I never said 23 was that easy to get u didn’t need to study that much. Many of my friends from other countries got 23 and above, even 26 and they are non-native speakers. How come with all these materials they cannot get 23? As native speakers they don’t even need to practice their reading. I believe as long as you study a lot, it’s not impossible to get 23.

I studied for 3 months and took a prep course and still only scored a 20. Granted I had never taken a math course and had to teach it to myself, while also having not taken orgo 2. I still do not think you realize that you are verrry smart. I also believe there is a luck of the draw type of thing. You can be as prepared as possible and 5-6 questions pop up that you just didn't study as well for and boom, you got a 19 in Bio. Oh, and btw I studied for 8-10 hours a day on average over three months.
 
I never said 23 was that easy to get u didn’t need to study that much. Many of my friends from other countries got 23 and above, even 26 and they are non-native speakers. How come with all these materials they cannot get 23? As native speakers they don’t even need to practice their reading. I believe as long as you study a lot, it’s not impossible to get 23.
I hope no one is taking you seriously and realizes you are both uninformed and pompous.
 
I studied for 3 months and took a prep course and still only scored a 20. Granted I had never taken a math course and had to teach it to myself, while also having not taken orgo 2. I still do not think you realize that you are verrry smart. I also believe there is a luck of the draw type of thing. You can be as prepared as possible and 5-6 questions pop up that you just didn't study as well for and boom, you got a 19 in Bio. Oh, and btw I studied for 8-10 hours a day on average over three months.
Without taking math and orgo 2, 20 is a very good score, really good. I have taken 3 orgo by the time I took my DAT. I felt I was very prepared for biology, but it turned out to be there were at least half of the questions of biology I hadn’t seen before when I studied. So I think they do change a lot in this part. I guessed I may be lucky to get 21 on the biology, but still not a very satisfactory one. I think if you take orgo 2 and finish all the math questions on the bootcamp, you can get at least 22 or 23.
 
Studied for about 2 full months in the summer and got a 19. Still ended up getting accepted into a dental school. Don't worry about having to score a 22 or 23. A 19 or 20 definitely will be sufficient if you're application is good as a whole.
 
Scores are definitely increasing. Averages from 10+ years ago are laughable today for admission for almost every applicant. 20's across the board is the standard, with some exceptions if you presented a high sGPA.
 
It seems like more and more schools are putting more emphasis on the DAT than they are GPA. DAT averages have definitely increased in the past few years while GPA averages have stayed about the same.
 
The average scores shouldn't be going up because the sections are all weighed based on the year before. So the average is standardized to ~20-21, regardless of what percentage of questions correct that is.
 
According to the ADEA website about 60% of applicants are between 17-20, with about 1/3 of students 21+. The average applicant has a 19 and the average enrolled student has a 20. The DAT is still scored where 18 is about average. With a 1/3 of applicants over 21 that means that there are about 4000 students who have that score. There are only 6000ish students accepted each year.

I think you also have to take into consideration that the majority of people that are going to post their score on here are those that did good. Most people with an average score aren't going to post.
 
You see 23's on sdn bc sdn is a microcosm of the pre dent world, not because a 23 is easy to attain. Don't assume people can absorb, and master material as easy as you make it appear. DAT may be going up but not to the extent of everyone scoring in the 98th percentile.
So I took my test last week and got 22 TS and 22AA... Is this considered 98 percentile still? Also, my science Gpa is 2.99 and my non science is 3.17.... applying to 17 schools. Do I have a chance at getting and interview??? Thanks
 
So I took my test last week and got 22 TS and 22AA... Is this considered 98 percentile still? Also, my science Gpa is 2.99 and my non science is 3.17.... applying to 17 schools. Do I have a chance at getting and interview??? Thanks

This document from the ADA offers some more information about how average DAT scores have been increasing over time. You can look up your scores after page 9 or so. I have a 23 AA and I believe that is around 96th percentile these days.

The data presented in this document is also two years old so keep that in mind. (It is however the most recent official percentile data available I think.)
 

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