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The degree of DDS, like an MD, is technically considered an undergraduate degree. However, an MD is required to do graduate work in the form of a residency (graduate medical education (GME)). Both degrees don't require completion of an undergraduate degree, the definition of a true graduate program (e.g. Ph.D. or MBA). A dental school graduate can practice general dentistry immediately after graduation from dental school without any graduate dental education. An MD is worthless without GME (residency).


Not a criticism, just a general question about dentistry I've wondered about.
 
The degree of DDS, like an MD, is technically considered an undergraduate degree. However, an MD is required to do graduate work in the form of a residency (graduate medical education (GME)). Both degrees don't require completion of an undergraduate degree, the definition of a true graduate program (e.g. Ph.D. or MBA). A dental school graduate can practice general dentistry immediately after graduation from dental school without any graduate dental education. An MD is worthless without GME (residency).


Not a criticism, just a general question about dentistry I've wondered about.

what are you getting at? trying to pick an arguement?

dentistry and medicine are different in training...period.
 
Absolutely not, just the opposite. I was curious how a dentist can be awarded a doctor of dental surgery and practice dentistry with only an undergraduate degree (no graduate work required). The same is true for a J.D. (doctor of Jurisprudence).
 
Absolutely not, just the opposite. I was curious how a dentist can be awarded a doctor of dental surgery and practice dentistry with only an undergraduate degree (no graduate work required). The same is true for a J.D. (doctor of Jurisprudence).

You do realize that at least 3 years of undergrad is required for all DDS programs and to be considered competitive one needs a BA/BS.

DDS/MD/JD/MBA are all considered professional degrees and an undergraduate education is needed for all of them in the U.S.
 
DDS and MD are not undergraduate degrees at all. They are doctoral degrees.
 
The difference comes in the actual training which occurs in the program. You are right that the MD degree is somewhat worthless without residency and the DDS or DMD is all a dentist needs to practice. The reason for this actually comes in what is entailed in the education itself. I may catch flack for it, but dentists do not learn the depth and range of knowledge that MD students have in most curriculums. This is not to say that we do not learn medical knowledge, we do, but on certain subjects, MD students learn a little greater detail. That's how I feel knowing quite a few medical students and seeing what they learn. While I can hold my own in my knowledge, they definitely seem to spend more time getting more detailed in some areas than I did in school.

On the other hand, what medical students learn as far as working with patients and diagnosis and treatment of patients is very superficial in comparison to what dentists in a DDS or DMD program get. A lot of what we do in dental school during our last 2 years and sometimes in our last 3 years is far more hands on. While medical students have some training, it is so far ranging and scattered across the many fields of medicine, that a student graduating with an MD really hasn't developed the specialized skills for any one field of medicine to be able to simply dive in without any supervision. In Medical school you might spend 3-4 weeks on a Psych rotation or a month in OB/Gyn. This one month of specialized rotation is not really enough to then open up shop as an OB/Gyn or Psychiatrist. Compare that to the 2-3 years of specialized, hands-on training dentists get in only working on people's gums, jaw bones, teeth and oral cavity and you can start to understand the difference in why one degree allows us to start working immediately while the other requires a further residency.

If other areas of medicine wanted to be like dentistry, and had broken off from medicine much earlier on like dentistry did, they could probably do so. For example, let's take opthamology for example. What if to be a Opthamologist they decide to remove it from regular medical education. You take the normal MD program and instead cut out all the clinical rotations in fields not related to opthamology. You get another month back each from say: OB/Gyn, Psych, Internal Med, general surgery, plastics, Derm, etc. It ends up adding up to a lot of time. You then spend all that time learning mostly about Opthamology and getting enough background on Pharm, Anatomy, etc. to also still understand how what you do in opthamology may effect and have an effect on the rest of the body. You could greatly shorten the time taken to learn the field and begin practice.
 
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I was a "medical student", and you are / or have been a "dental student", these are terminal professional "doctoral" degrees. "Graduate students" require an undergraduate degree and traditionally infers original research and defense of a dissertation/thesis. I know it's semantics. The higher degree is always listed last after your name, at least in the medical world (e.g. MD/MBA, MD/Ph.D., MD/MPH)
 
The difference comes in the actual training which occurs in the program. You are right that the MD degree is somewhat worthless without residency and the DDS or DMD is all a dentist needs to practice. The reason for this actually comes in what is entailed in the education itself. I may catch flack for it, but dentists do not learn the depth and range of knowledge that MD students have in most curriculums. This is not to say that we do not learn medical knowledge, we do, but on certain subjects, MD students learn a little greater detail. That's how I feel knowing quite a few medical students and seeing what they learn. While I can hold my own in my knowledge, they definitely seem to spend more time getting more detailed in some areas than I did in school.

On the other hand, what medical students learn as far as working with patients and diagnosis and treatment of patients is very superficial in comparison to what dentists in a DDS or DMD program get. A lot of what we do in dental school during our last 2 years and sometimes in our last 3 years is far more hands on. While medical students have some training, it is so far ranging and scattered across the many fields of medicine, that a student graduating with an MD really hasn't developed the specialized skills for any one field of medicine to be able to simply dive in without any supervision. In Medical school you might spend 3-4 weeks on a Psych rotation or a month in OB/Gyn. This one month of specialized rotation is not really enough to then open up shop as an OB/Gyn or Psychiatrist. Compare that to the 2-3 years of specialized, hands-on training dentists get in only working on people's gums, jaw bones, teeth and oral cavity and you can start to understand the difference in why one degree allows us to start working immediately while the other requires a further residency.

If other areas of medicine wanted to be like dentistry, and had broken off from medicine much earlier on like dentistry did, they could probably do so. For example, let's take opthamology for example. What if to be a Opthamologist they decide to remove it from regular medical education. You take the normal MD program and instead cut out all the clinical rotations in fields not related to opthamology. You get another month back each from say: OB/Gyn, Psych, Internal Med, general surgery, plastics, Derm, etc. It ends up adding up to a lot of time. You then spend all that time learning mostly about Opthamology and getting enough background on Pharm, Anatomy, etc. to also still understand how what you do in opthamology may effect and have an effect on the rest of the body. You could greatly shorten the time taken to learn the field and begin practice.

Here is the answer to your question :laugh:
 
The degree of DDS, like an MD, is technically considered an undergraduate degree. However, an MD is required to do graduate work in the form of a residency (graduate medical education (GME)). Both degrees don't require completion of an undergraduate degree, the definition of a true graduate program (e.g. Ph.D. or MBA). A dental school graduate can practice general dentistry immediately after graduation from dental school without any graduate dental education. An MD is worthless without GME (residency).


Not a criticism, just a general question about dentistry I've wondered about.
Not sure if trolling..............
Absolutely not, just the opposite. I was curious how a dentist can be awarded a doctor of dental surgery and practice dentistry with only an undergraduate degree (no graduate work required). The same is true for a J.D. (doctor of Jurisprudence).

Undergraduate degree?

LOL WAT?
 
The degree of DDS, like an MD, is technically considered an undergraduate degree. However, an MD is required to do graduate work in the form of a residency (graduate medical education (GME)). Both degrees don't require completion of an undergraduate degree, the definition of a true graduate program (e.g. Ph.D. or MBA). A dental school graduate can practice general dentistry immediately after graduation from dental school without any graduate dental education. An MD is worthless without GME (residency).


Not a criticism, just a general question about dentistry I've wondered about.

As others have explained here, dentistry and medicine training pathways are different. Becoming specialists in dentistry (there are 9 specialties) requires 3-6 additional years and this is very similiar to MD specialty training. When I completed my fellowship, I was at PGY-6. DP
 
The degree of DDS, like an MD, is technically considered an undergraduate degree. However, an MD is required to do graduate work in the form of a residency (graduate medical education (GME)). Both degrees don't require completion of an undergraduate degree, the definition of a true graduate program (e.g. Ph.D. or MBA). A dental school graduate can practice general dentistry immediately after graduation from dental school without any graduate dental education. An MD is worthless without GME (residency).

"Technically" residencies are/should be considered post graduate work rather than "graduate work", unless an M.S. or a Ph.D. is awarded after completion. Think of M.D., D.D.S., D.M.D., J.D., Pharm. D., O.D., D.P.M., D.V.M. .... as professional degrees.
 
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