Defending immunizations/pharmacy

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DownonthePharm

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I have a myspace friend (whome I dont know in real life but we ended up adding each other for some reason) that has been sending out some upset bulletins regarding her belief that immunizations are bad and that Christans should mobilize against big pharma.

Basically she is saying that all immunizations are bogus, that vaccines caused her childrens autism, that you get the flu from a flu shot, etc.

I respect that she is upset about her childrens health, but some of what she says indicates that she is uneducated about this and is simply taking a reactionary view based on what happened to her children and what shes been told by her Homeopath. I really want to say something, but want to say it in an informative and respectful way, so if anyone has any thoughts...Like what would you do if a patient came into your pharmacy and starting saying all this stuff?

Here is one of her messages (its long):
"DO NOT vaccinate your child or get a Flu shot! Plain and simple! People are misinformed of the dangers of vaccinations. People think their child has to have them so they can attend a public school. And that's not true. There are homopathic doctors that will sign a release form and the schools can't do anything about it. I know homopathic doctors are hard to find cause the government doesn't want you to know about them. We have a homopathic doctor in Tulsa that will sign a release form for them to attend a public school without their shots. Their is also religion groups that can get you out of these bogus shots, and the schools are not allowed to ask which religion. So there are ways to get out of it. My kids have gotten their shots before, but they will never recieve this poison again EVER!!! When my twins got their 6 months shots, the day after they had a fever of 106..You wanna talk about some parents who were FREAKING OUT!!! And the stupid doctors at the ER tried to say it wasn't the vaccines that caused it. We were like BULLS**T! What LIARS! They were perfectly healthy babies until they got their shots. I know that is what caused them to be very slow in their development because of the vaccines they got. I know stuff like this doesn't happen in all kids who receive the shots, but it can happen. So why risk poisoning our kids with this stuff. If something would have happened to my twins then, I would have held the government personally responsible. Their are thousands of ppl right now who are sueing our government because of what the vaccines did to their child. Flu shots is another bogus vaccine. Never get one. They have been linked to causing Alzheimers. When the news would say that there is a flu shot shortage. We were like GOOD! And have you notice that when there is a flu shot shortage, the flu isn't that bad? Think about it! I have gotten the flu shot before and I would get the flu really BAD. And I'm thinking, I thought the shot was to protect me from getting the flu, but now that I haven't gotten a flu shot in years, I haven't got the flu in years! HMMM! Something to think about.
Vaccinations of any sort are VERY dangerous. They are loaded with mercury, aluminum (which causes Alzheimers), and get this..their is a ingredient in the vaccines that they use in abortions. And to think they are putting this crap in my child!!! Man this is serious stuff. Vaccines have been linked to Autism, learning disabilities, Alzheimers, Epilepsy, ADD and ADHD, and even death. There has been more babies die from vaccines than actually getting a disease.
There is a new vaccine called HPV..All I've got to say to that is BOGUS BOGUS BOGUS! Need I say more. My kids will not get such a stupid vaccine even if the government forces me to. Our job as a parent is to protect our kids, not to poison them.
Our government tries to tell us that if we don't vaccinate then we could be charged with child abuse. So am I abusing my kids cause I don't poison them?? wtf? They are the ones abusing them by putting poison in them. Where is our rights as a parent?

There is no need for vaccines. But the pharmacuticals wants you to get vaccinated so you will get sick and have to go to the doctor and get loaded up on prescription meds. And everyone knows my views on drugs, even prescription drugs. One drug will cause this side effect, so you have to get another drug for that other side effect, and then get another drug for that, and so on and so on. Pretty soon your loaded up on medication and it's doing nothing but killing you and the Pharmicutical industry is robbing you while silently killing you. Pharmicutical is a Greek word for Witchcraft. So yea stay away from Pharmacies. And did you not know that all of those killers from those school shootings Columbine, Virgina Tech, etc..were all on anti-depressants Prozac, Zoloft, Xnax etc. That is a phsycotic drug. And VERY dangerous. I won't go near them. There is a natural drug for depression and works wonders. It's called St. Johns Wort. I took that back when I had that post partum depression. St. Johns Wort works. You can buy it any health food store and even Walmart!

Anyway this is from our family homopathic doctor in Tulsa. He's actually a homopathic Chiropractor. But he has the authority to exempt out on getting vaccinated. Here is what he wrote.....

"All of these diseases went down on their own before vaccines were introduced according to C.D.C. After vaccines were introduced there was NO change in the drop rate. That means vaccines DON'T prevent diseases! Vaccines contain aborted fetal cells, MSG (Monosodium Glutemate) calf serum, pus, mercury, other toxic metals, anti-freeze, (ethylene glycol) etc. Basically pollution and poison! There is no way I would inject that "toxic brew" into my kids! Learn for yourself! Go to www.mercola.com or www.909shot.com and read up on the facts! In Oklahoma you can exempt out of vaccinating"

Anyhow..yea I am so not going to poison my kids with that junk. Here is a video and website to read up on. Its from CBN News. http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/204991.aspx "
 
I did a research paper over this in english last year. The whole autism-vacine link was stirred up by some british scientist who were funded privately for the sole reason of finding a link between the MMR vaccine and Autism. After approx 8-10 years of research, they published their findings in many journals in '98 and all had the same conclusion: "That no deffinative link could be found, yet one was still possible." A british news agency insued the article spinning it on their late night broadcast and litterally caused a panick overnight. Panick spread accross the world affecting mainly the US and England.

Affects of the panick were immediately evident when a missionary church visited romania and brought back measles to a small pennsylvania town and it killed around 30 children and scarred many more. Small pandemics of the measles are still present in the US since.

Examples of vaccines working include all things such as MMR(measles mumps rubella), Diptheria, and even Polio and Small pox! Smallpox was the first truly irraticated viral disease and polio is already absent from the north western hemisphere and scheduled for irradication by 2020.

As for HPV, its affects won't be seen for years, as many studies take, but it is very promissing.

I'm tired of typing on and on, but if your interested in taking a stance, read my paper that I attached. It includes all sources and crap.
 

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Response of any kind will not only go unread but will be unappreciated even if done so.

Id leave this one up to natural selection.

Sakigt, who lolz at people who cant use tupperware anymore because when they nuke it they get cancer.
 
Sakigt, who lolz at people who cant use tupperware anymore because when they nuke it they get cancer.

The whole plastic will kill you...totally my mother. Yeah it will if I ingest a sh** load, but I don't particularly like eating plastic.:laugh:

Something that just popped into my head while reading this: What would be the point of companies killing off all their clients intentionally? They would be losing money in the long-run by not having any clients. Plus there are so many people out researching this stuff, I don't think they could get away with it for long.

A lot of the reasoning in the post seems to be non sequitar-assuming one event caused the other without proof. Everything can have unintentional side effects. You just have to weigh the costs and benefits.
 
I always take the word of my "homopathic" chiropractor as the gospel truth. 🙄

What is the actual mercury content of modern vaccines?
 
If parents are truly concerned about the mercury, they can request their child be vaccinated from a single-use vial--because these are single-use, they do not require a preservative and, hence, do not contain mercury. They are more expensive than the multi-use vials, thought, which is why most offices don't use them.

Also, remind the parents that the diseases we are vaccinating against can be deadly. We often forget this since no one gets these infections anymore. It's only when we have done such a great job of vaccinating and preventing illness that we start to complain about the side effects of the vaccine itself.
 
People are just crazy sometimes. Add in some kooky religion and it gets crazier...

Gotta agree with Mikey here. Only thing I can add to it is some people are plain dumb. Too bad children will suffer.
 
Hmmm... I was actually going to post on here to ask for advice/citations on how to deal with this matter. I volunteered myself to write a few articles for our local newspaper on adult immunization, the thimerosal in vaccines and "Why should I vaccinate my child."

As to one of the comments in the article: and get this..their is a ingredient in the vaccines that they use in abortions. Um.... saline?

Sadly, there is no arguing with these kind of people. They have read their propaganda and believe what they want to believe. I think that we need to focus on reaching out to the people on the fence and keeping bad info out of the mainstream media.
 
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Anyone who uses a homeopath (or a chiropracter, IMO) as a primary source of healthcare information is not going to be convinced by you or anyone else.....so don't even try. Its a waste of breath.

But, it is important to educate yourself because you will get questions about vaccines, how they work, why they work, their safety & side effects from folks who really do want to become educated.

Do what you should do as a professional & learn about them yourself.

The very best resource is the CDC website. Go to www.cdc.gov or google cdc vaccines & it will take you right to the vaccine section of the CDC.

This link:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/default.htm

will take you to basic & common questions, although there is a separate section for health professionals. If you are an immunizer, you are on their listserve & you'll get weekly updates. If you are an immunizer, you should also be registered to get MMWR which is the weekly listing of problems related not just to vaccines, but to all drugs & devices.

In the last month, there have been announcements of the new thimerosol-free vaccines which are going to be released within the next few months. There will be greater production of thimerosol free influenza vaccine - but you can follow the delays yourself on the cdc website.

There is a huge section in this same website for links to studies related to adverse events, tracking of adverse events (so you can see for yourself), special populations, educational resources - lots & lots of stuff.

But - don't waste your time on someone who is already convinced of something. You'll never change their mind, no matter what & they really don't want to be educated (or they'd seek out a PCP who has actually gone to medical school). Their belief is so ingrained they not only live it, they feel they must go out & proselytize (sp?) it. Don't take the bait unless that is part of your belief system as well.

I just smile & say each person must make the decison which is best for them, wish them the best & move on.
 
first of all. the poster needs two things.

1 - spell check
2 - grammar check


these kinds of people used to really annoy me. but i agree, leave it up to natural selection. i'm getting my vaccines, thank you.
 
Eh... I don't think you'd have much luck educating here. When someone takes that much time to rant that hardcore, they enjoy ranting about it and aren't going to stop. Feel sad for the children that might get measles or mumps now, or hep for god's sake.

We had an ID prof say that these people often belong to the flat earth society, I got a kick out of him.

One interesting stat: Vaccinations are the most important step in modern science in preventing disease and have saved more lives than any other, i.e penicillin.
 
first of all. the poster needs two things.

1 - spell check
2 - grammar check



these kinds of people used to really annoy me. but i agree, leave it up to natural selection. i'm getting my vaccines, thank you.

We must be two peas in a pod. I hate typos too.
 
The world is full of idiots and uneducated people. There is nothing we can do about. It is a free country and they are free to think as they please, even if it makes no sense.
 
The good thing is natural selection will take care of most of these people.:laugh: So I say let them skip vaccinations and die of a horrible disease that is entirely preventable and we will have one less idiot in the world.
 
You can buy it any health food store and even Walmart!

Against so much, yet she's ok with Walmart? That's a first. By the way, isn't the basis of homeopathic medicine centered around administering toxic substances in small amounts for diseases believed to be caused by said toxins? That would mean that the chiropractor would support putting those chemicals in the body if he really was a homeopath.

I'd just say oh well and follow sdn1977's advice. Too bad for all those she influences.
 
I'm starting to think humans have found a way to defy natural selection process.... there are too many people who should have been weeded out still having kids.

So where is the natural selection?
 
The good thing is natural selection will take care of most of these people.:laugh: So I say let them skip vaccinations and die of a horrible disease that is entirely preventable and we will have one less idiot in the world.

The sad part is, their parents were probably smart enough to vaccinate them so it will be their children who suffer. Idiots.
 
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To quote the bumper sticker I have on my car:
"Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to shoot them"


😀😀😀😀

That being said I understand your frustration. I have a Mormon cousin down in florida who IS family but sends out the "I'm not racist, but" emails.

I just have to shake my head and realize I'll raise my children differently than she's raising hers.
 
MY sister in law isn't going to vaccinate her baby. 🙁 👎 And she also informed me NOT to use plastic in the microwave...:laugh:

She used to work at a chiropractor's office...
 
To quote the bumper sticker I have on my car:
"Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to shoot them"

It's legal in Texas. :meanie: It's the only way to keep Oklahomans and Louisianans out...
 
Let me take that back partially... I'm a Louisianan.

It was also legal to execute the mentally ******ed until the federal gov't finally stepped in and said something, hence the now out of control Texas population.
 
It was also legal to execute the mentally ******ed until the federal gov't finally stepped in and said something, hence the now out of control Texas population.

BTW, nice research paper you wrote.👍

Your ancestors must have been Texans.. :meanie:
 
thnx on the paper;
Sadly a distant part of my family is texan. I figure it just the link that gives me the ability to communicate to them on their level and understand them.
 
thnx on the paper;
Sadly a distant part of my family is texan. I figure it just the link that gives me the ability to communicate to them on their level and understand them.

That explains the quality work on the paper..
 
To quote the bumper sticker I have on my car:
"Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to shoot them"


😀😀😀😀

That being said I understand your frustration. I have a Mormon cousin down in florida who IS family but sends out the "I'm not racist, but" emails.

I just have to shake my head and realize I'll raise my children differently than she's raising hers.



Being racist, is being racist, it has NOTHING to do with being Mormon.
 
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It was also legal to execute the mentally ******ed until the federal gov't finally stepped in and said something, hence the now out of control Texas population.

Awesome.

+2
 
I am getting ready to relocate to Texas. Do I need a passport or any foriegn lanuage training. I hear its a whole other country:laugh:
 
I am getting ready to relocate to Texas. Do I need a passport or any foriegn lanuage training. I hear its a whole other country:laugh:

Sorry...we don't accept males.. only young hot females are allowed in.:meanie:
 
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Don't be jealous, just because we're better at everything. Especially football.

ehhh... Longhorns beat y'all at football... A&M swept you guys in basketball..and A&M won the baseball Big12 conference tourny...😍

And beat OSU in everything.. :meanie:
 
Why isn't anyone making fun of the spelling error? "homopathic" isn't a word. Now I can see why we have experts on homopathy.

Homeopathy is a scam. The general public easily mixes homeopathy with home remedies or herbal treatments, which is completely wrong. At best, homeopathic remedies only offer a placebo effect, nothing more. If you really understand what homeopathy is, you'd agree that it is an enormously exaggerated scam.

"A homeopathic remedy is prepared by diluting the substance in a series of steps. Most homeopathic remedies are so highly diluted that only a few molecules (if any) of the original substance are likely to remain after dilution so rendering them ineffective as treatments. Homeopathy asserts that the remedy will retain a memory of the diluted substance and the therapeutic potency of a remedy can be increased by serial dilution combined with succussion , or vigorous shaking." -Archives of Internal Medicine

Layman's terms: "Okay, so now water has this really cool and amazing magical ability to retain a mystic memory of anything it touches be it vitamins or diseases, and then will act as a vaccine from whatever the water comes in contact with! And, then...to top it off; it becomes more powerful, the more it is diluted and shaken!!!! Can anyone say, 'tap water?"

Sarcasm is the least of my retort....Try anger and incredulity at the fact that there are actual "doctors" of homeopathy that attempt to convince people that are severely ill not to take medicine for their diseases. Ignorance is so frustrating sometimes.
 
I am getting ready to relocate to Texas. Do I need a passport or any foriegn lanuage training. I hear its a whole other country:laugh:

I think it is.......I think you need a yellow fever vaccination to get in. I vaccinate - want one???😀

You definitely gotta get some supplies - a gun, a gun carrier for your car, a gun case for your livin' room & a waterproof laptop for those "home offices"😉

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Don't forget your gun racks; You need one for your bike, for your car, for the living room and wherever else deemed necessary. Oh!, and get your rabies vaccination updated.
 
I don't think you'll be able to reason with this person, just take the high road and respect their opinions but disagree. Just state that the body of evidence from reputable (keyword here) scientists unanimously views vaccinations as beneficial.
 
I think it is.......I think you need a yellow fever vaccination to get in. I vaccinate - want one???😀

You definitely gotta get some supplies - a gun, a gun carrier for your car, a gun case for your livin' room & a waterproof laptop for those "home offices"😉

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

WOW!!!! I have a lot of prep work to do!!!!!:laugh:
 
maybe one day there will be a vaccine against stupidity.
 
that's what you get for adding wacko strangers on myspace! *****ic bulletins like that.
 
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