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Mike Vick his ass.

PETA needs to be on this. It annoys me to no end when these big activist organizations want to get the big fish, but it's a little more lax when it's someone less famous committing the foul.
 
Didn't Dexter go to medical school?

But really this is sick...time to start interviewing your candidates MSU!
 
well he's psychologically ill, what do you expect. These are the symptoms. He needs to be treated. Good thing he was caught before he graduated from med school.
 
elftown said:
MSUCOM accepts students without even interviewing them. Maybe it's time to change that policy???
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fluffy0 said:
But really this is sick...time to start interviewing your candidates MSU!
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Unfortunately, some people can easily fake being normal in an interview, so while it might help with some crazies, it might not catch all of them.
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Sounds like a psychopath on his way to becoming a serial killer. Don't people always say that killers start with animals? Disgusting behavior; he should go to prison. Poor pups : (
 
jm192 said:
Mike Vick his ass.

PETA needs to be on this. It annoys me to no end when these big activist organizations want to get the big fish, but it's a little more lax when it's someone less famous committing the foul.
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Very true, 13 is no small number either. I'm a pretty new dog owner and I don't see how anyone can hurt harmless pets like that. All they do is show you affection.

elftown said:
MSUCOM accepts students without even interviewing them. Maybe it's time to change that policy???

http://www.com.msu.edu/admissions/msu.com.admissions.html
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👍 This has gotta be a big kick in the mouth for the no interview system.

UBCvan said:
well he's psychologically ill, what do you expect. These are the symptoms. He needs to be treated. Good thing he was caught before he graduated from med school.
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Great point, this kid has got some serious underlying issues. Can you imagine someone like him having a medical license? Thank god this will be sorted out before/if he graduates.
 
megathunder said:
Very true, 13 is no small number either. I'm a pretty new dog owner and I don't see how anyone can hurt harmless pets like that. All they do is show you affection.



👍 This has gotta be a big kick in the mouth for the no interview system.



Great point, this kid has got some serious underlying issues. Can you imagine someone like him having a medical license? Thank god this will be sorted out before/if he graduates.
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1. How can people kill deer when they go hunting?? Especially rich doctors and lawyers(John Kerry) who definitely aren't doing it in order to put food on the table? Or is it that if you kill it with a gun it's ok, but if you kill it with bare hands you're a serial killer?

2. What does interview have to do with it? Is he going to say on his interview that he wants to kill someone? What about that guy at a prestigious MD school who killed women off craiglist?
 
Ribseye said:
Dexter did not kill dogs. What's your point?
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Just drawing the connection between this guys actions and that of a serial killer...and I think Dexter did kill animals as a child in the books and in the first season in one of his "flashbacks" before Harry taught him how to better use "his dark passenger".
 
Ribseye said:
1. How can people kill deer when they go hunting?? Especially rich doctors and lawyers(John Kerry) who definitely aren't doing it in order to put food on the table? Or is it that if you kill it with a gun it's ok, but if you kill it with bare hands you're a serial killer?

2. What does interview have to do with it? Is he going to say on his interview that he wants to kill someone? What about that guy at a prestigious MD school who killed women off craiglist?
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1. Right, you're going to compare the killing of a wild animal that is not only adapted to being hunted by humans but also other animals to a domesticated dog that relies on it's human owners for survival.

2. You assume this guy is some cool-headed kid who no one would think twice about. Okay, fair enough. But what if he isn't? What if an interviewer COULD have determined something was wrong with him. Is that risk worth 13 lives? What if his next victim would have been a human. Would it be worth it then?
 
Ribseye said:
1. How can people kill deer when they go hunting?? Especially rich doctors and lawyers(John Kerry) who definitely aren't doing it in order to put food on the table? Or is it that if you kill it with a gun it's ok, but if you kill it with bare hands you're a serial killer?

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Don't equate this with hunting. As a hunter, I have never been angry at a deer, much less choke-slammed one into a wall. I strive to make the most humane harvest possible. If I don't feel I can take an animal cleanly, I let it walk. I eat what I kill even though I can afford to buy meat at a store or restaurant. I don't need other people to slaughter my meat for me.
Beating an animal to death crosses the line for most sensible people.
 
Ok, lets steer this train a little back on course.

1. ALL serial killers SEEM normal.
2. MANY serial killers killed animals before killing people
3. ALL serial killers are HIGHLY intelligent
4. Hunting is NOT abusing an animal for sh its and giggles. My father hunts and says a prayer for every animal he has killed, which has gone on to my dinner table.
5. Killing your own pets out of anger or spite is sociopathic+violent=serial killer tendencies
6. MSUCOM NEEDS to revise this policy IMMEDIATELY


Ok... those things said... please don't put hunting in this discussion, it would be the same as saying I am the same type of person because I have to kill mice & rats at my job for research. Hunting is NOT the same as abuse. That is like saying spanking a kid for being bad is the same as beating the snot of them...

also: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/videonetwork/1042363558001&odyssey=mod|mostpopvideos
 
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1. Right, you're going to compare the killing of a wild animal that is not only adapted to being hunted by humans but also other animals to a domesticated dog that relies on it's human owners for survival.

2. You assume this guy is some cool-headed kid who no one would think twice about. Okay, fair enough. But what if he isn't? What if an interviewer COULD have determined something was wrong with him. Is that risk worth 13 lives? What if his next victim would have been a human. Would it be worth it then?
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1. How is a deer "adapted" to being hunted on? Domestic dogs can be vicious killers. A 50lbs pitbull can attack me. While a 150lbs wolf will never attack me because it does not want to eat me.

2. I don't assume anything about this guy. If he isn't "normal" it does not mean that he kills dogs or he will say anything to imply that he kills dogs or humans. Again, there have been instances of actual serial killers passing interviews at much more selective schools. I bet some of those interviewers are in fact terrible human beings.
 
A is A said:
Don't equate this with hunting. As a hunter, I have never been angry at a deer, much less choke-slammed one into a wall. I strive to make the most humane harvest possible. If I don't feel I can take an animal cleanly, I let it walk. I eat what I kill even though I can afford to buy meat at a store or restaurant. I don't need other people to slaughter my meat for me.
Beating an animal to death crosses the line for most sensible people.
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At least if you kill someone out of anger you can try to use that as an excuse to lessen murder1 to manslaughter. Serial killers ENJOY killing their prey. Hunters who really bring food on their own table or supply food to the supermarket do it as a JOB. But recreational hunters ENJOY putting a bullet into a defenceless animal.
 
Ribseye said:
At least if you kill someone out of anger you can try to use that as an excuse to lessen murder1 to manslaughter. Serial killers ENJOY killing their prey. Hunters who really bring food on their own table or supply food to the supermarket do it as a JOB. But recreational hunters ENJOY putting a bullet into a defenceless animal.
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Just trying to stir up the pot, aren't you?
 
This seems like a good time to remind everyone of the ignore feature. It is very handy, and does wonders for your blood pressure. 🙂
 
Ribseye said:
At least if you kill someone out of anger you can try to use that as an excuse to lessen murder1 to manslaughter. Serial killers ENJOY killing their prey. Hunters who really bring food on their own table or supply food to the supermarket do it as a JOB. But recreational hunters ENJOY putting a bullet into a defenceless animal.
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Hunting is not the same thing as killing dogs out of anger. I don't know what left-wing bubble you live in, but for millions of Americans hunting is a legitimate sport. I don't hunt, out of lack of personal interest, but I have many, many friends who do. Every single one of them has tremendous respect for animals, the outdoors, and the environment. I had a coworker who was a hunter, who at work, when there was nothing to do, would spend his time making beautiful artwork featuring elk, deer, etc.

People who hunt have a much better grasp on what it is to kill an animal for food than us non-hunters. For us, it all happens far away, detached from our own experience and lives. I dare say that people who hunt have more respect for animal life than most of the rest of us.

We, Home sapiens, are just as much a part of the ecosystem as every other organism on the planet. Animals kill each other. It's part of how ecology works.

This student who killed those dogs did so out of anger. He killed animals in a way that is not socially acceptable. We have social norms for a reason. They are not random constructs of human imagination. Hunting is socially acceptable, and does not indicate anything wrong with the hunter. When this MSUCOM student killed those dogs, he did so outside of any accepted social context, and this indicates a serious problem with his own psychological state.
 
SBB2016 said:
Ok, lets steer this train a little back on course.

1. ALL serial killers SEEM normal.
2. MANY serial killers killed animals before killing people
3. ALL serial killers are HIGHLY intelligent
4. Hunting is NOT abusing an animal for sh its and giggles. My father hunts and says a prayer for every animal he has killed, which has gone on to my dinner table.
5. Killing your own pets out of anger or spite is sociopathic+violent=serial killer tendencies
6. MSUCOM NEEDS to revise this policy IMMEDIATELY
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Most usually are diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder and or conduct disorder, they are usually able to understand morality and law, but they simply lack a conscious and freely manipulate people. Intelligence is usually not a factor as much as lack of hesitation or real remorse, which in normal people hinders the speed at which they act. Overall an interview will not screen out people like this, you'd need to observe and wait for the person to slip up and get caught doing something before you'd be able to fully know they are extremely dangerous.

On hunting, I personally think that there is nothing morally wrong with hunting for food. However I believe that you should always respect and remember that you killed a living being, and that you're not just doing this for a fun.
 
Serenade, my point is that in order to be a serial killer you MUST be intelligent. They ALL are. Ted Bundy, for instance, was extremely bright, and well spoken, you are correct, an interviewer may not screen this out, but they have a hell of a lot better chance if they meet them in person. People on paper are not the same as people in real life. It is possible they would have met him and not liked him... Either way, in order to be a successful serial killer one must possess the ability to think. If they are dumb and sociopathic, they won't get very far... Hopefully this kid is stopped here at animals, and isn't in a relationship someday and he kills other people because they made him mad...
 
NurWollen said:
Hunting is not the same thing as killing dogs out of anger. I don't know what left-wing bubble you live in, but for millions of Americans hunting is a legitimate sport. I don't hunt, out of lack of personal interest, but I have many, many friends who do. Every single one of them has tremendous respect for animals, the outdoors, and the environment. I had a coworker who was a hunter, who at work, when there was nothing to do, would spend his time making beautiful artwork featuring elk, deer, etc.

People who hunt have a much better grasp on what it is to kill an animal for food than us non-hunters. For us, it all happens far away, detached from our own experience and lives. I dare say that people who hunt have more respect for animal life than most of the rest of us.

We, Home sapiens, are just as much a part of the ecosystem as every other organism on the planet. Animals kill each other. It's part of how ecology works.

This student who killed those dogs did so out of anger. He killed animals in a way that is not socially acceptable. We have social norms for a reason. They are not random constructs of human imagination. Hunting is socially acceptable, and does not indicate anything wrong with the hunter. When this MSUCOM student killed those dogs, he did so outside of any accepted social context, and this indicates a serious problem with his own psychological state.
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I agree it's not the same. I do not care for anybody who follows politics. You know those judges in Iran who hang women for adultery have much respect for their chastity! They also pray and the people who come to watch the executions also pray before stoning their defenceless victims. And those american judges who give you misdemeanor for weed and kill any prospect for your entry to medical school also care about your well being. They also pray for you.

p.s. I agree that hunting is a perfectly legal "sport". 2 reasons for that. 1) the most important members of our society are as bloodthirsty as anybody. 2) if you don't allow regular people to pray and to shoot some deer for sport, they will then do something slightly worse such as hit their dogs against a wall. or rape their cousins.

p.p.s. good knowing you all. I ask you all not to be so judgemental. If someone kills a dog for fun or out of anger he obviously has major issues. But normal people leave it at that instead of creating 10page discussions about "left-wing bubbles" and "msu should hire me as the dean of admissions".
 
Ribseye said:
I agree it's not the same. I do not care for anybody who follows politics. You know those judges in Iran who hang women for adultery have much respect for their chastity! They also pray and the people who come to watch the executions also pray before stoning their defenceless victims. And those american judges who give you misdemeanor for weed and kill any prospect for your entry to medical school also care about your well being. They also pray for you.

p.s. I agree that hunting is a perfectly legal "sport". 2 reasons for that. 1) the most important members of our society are as bloodthirsty as anybody. 2) if you don't allow regular people to pray and to shoot some deer for sport, they will then do something slightly worse such as hit their dogs against a wall. or rape their cousins.

p.p.s. good knowing you all. I ask you all not to be so judgemental. If someone kills a dog for fun or out of anger he obviously has major issues. But normal people leave it at that instead of creating 10page discussions about "left-wing bubbles" and "msu should hire me as the dean of admissions".
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Are you a PETA member? I am... People Eating Tasty Animals. Chimps, our closest relatives, hunt other animals, especially monkeys, Gorillas eat insects, as do most of the primates. All the felidae and canidae species hunt, all the bears (except pandas) eat meat when they can. We are omnivores. We kill animals for food. That means hunting them and eating them. I personally think it is far more humane to allow a deer/elk/pheasant/etc to live a wild life free to eat and do as it pleases than to be grown in a damn feed lot, fed hormones, steroids, and antibiotics until it is 'humanely' killed by nothing more than pithing. If you think it is ok for people to eat chicken grown six in a cage, or beef 1000 head per acre, but not ok for a deer to be killed with one bullet and eaten, you're off your rocker. Hunting is a far more humane thing than the way 99% of US citizens get their food.
 
SBB2016 said:
Serenade, my point is that in order to be a serial killer you MUST be intelligent. They ALL are. Ted Bundy, for instance, was extremely bright, and well spoken, you are correct, an interviewer may not screen this out, but they have a hell of a lot better chance if they meet them in person. People on paper are not the same as people in real life. It is possible they would have met him and not liked him... Either way, in order to be a successful serial killer one must possess the ability to think. If they are dumb and sociopathic, they won't get very far... Hopefully this kid is stopped here at animals, and isn't in a relationship someday and he kills other people because they made him mad...
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Broad sweeping generalizations are bad. Just because famous serial killers were bright does not mean all of them were ( convientional neuroscience leads me to believe otherwise, as they likely lack fully developed pre-frontal cortexes ). Trust me even the best of psychiatrists and psychologists have trouble with people with anti-social personality disorder, an interviewer in most cases will not be able to detect such a disorder as they know how to appear moral and righteous. That's what makes them dangerous, and to make things worse they are usually untreatable people.
This person shows extreme signs of anti-social personality disorder, and while that alone does not mean he will be a serial killer it does tell us that he will be a very horrible member of society and manipulate and hurt people because he likely lacks a developed conscience.
 
I completely agree. But sometimes a person can have that 'feeling' that they don't like a person. That's what I'm talking about. These people frequently sound contrived when they are being 'moral'... At least to me they do... You still have a better chance of screening it out in person than on paper. I think this concept of MSU knowing a person is good enough because of their stats is BS...
 
SBB2016 said:
Are you a PETA member? I am... People Eating Tasty Animals. Chimps, our closest relatives, hunt other animals, especially monkeys, Gorillas eat insects, as do most of the primates. All the felidae and canidae species hunt, all the bears (except pandas) eat meat when they can. We are omnivores. We kill animals for food. That means hunting them and eating them. I personally think it is far more humane to allow a deer/elk/pheasant/etc to live a wild life free to eat and do as it pleases than to be grown in a damn feed lot, fed hormones, steroids, and antibiotics until it is 'humanely' killed by nothing more than pithing. If you think it is ok for people to eat chicken grown six in a cage, or beef 1000 head per acre, but not ok for a deer to be killed with one bullet and eaten, you're off your rocker. Hunting is a far more humane thing than the way 99% of US citizens get their food.
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I am part of that 99%, but still, I agree with you. Very well said.
 
megathunder said:
2. You assume this guy is some cool-headed kid who no one would think twice about. Okay, fair enough. But what if he isn't? What if an interviewer COULD have determined something was wrong with him. Is that risk worth 13 lives? What if his next victim would have been a human. Would it be worth it then?
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Horrible argument. By all accounts this kid was pretty normal though maybe overly private about his living situation. He was on student council and all that. An interview would not likely have caught this.
 
I do get 'grocery' store meat from time to time. However, I have been trying to eat sustainably-harvested, wild-caught fish to get my protein. In addition to nuts/twigs/berries. I feel guilty most of the time for eating steak, but it is what it is. If all US citizens knew what happened to cattle before they landed on the plate, maybe things would change. As it is, most people don't. I recommend The Omnivore's Dilemma...
 
ShyRem said:
This seems like a good time to remind everyone of the ignore feature. It is very handy, and does wonders for your blood pressure. 🙂
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👍 Thanks!
I just added my first to the list. 🙂
 
NurWollen said:
I am part of that 99%, but still, I agree with you. Very well said.
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Thanks to both you and SBB2016 for being sensible. This thread has really taken a turn for the worst. Let's try to pull it away from the grasp of the Troll.
 
This reminds me of that group of 3 ukranian (i think) teens that started killing animals and filming it and then they began gruesomely attacking random people and mutilating them while they were alive, only to leave them to die. Absolutely horrible....

Glad this guy was caught before becoming a physician...
 
MedicineMike said:
This reminds me of that group of 3 ukranian (i think) teens that started killing animals and filming it and then they began gruesomely attacking random people and mutilating them while they were alive, only to leave them to die. Absolutely horrible....

Glad this guy was caught before becoming a physician...
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:wow:WHOA!!! Find some info on that please... never heard anything about it... is it true and verified???:wtf: That is seriously crazy... but that's the kind of thing you worry about with people like this...
 
Also:

Hunting deer is for population control and is highly monitored. Each year there are certain amount of deer that are allowed to be killed in the certain ~6 week hunting season a year. I am not saying there are some people that don't follow the laws, but for the most part, avid hunters are very serious about this. What people don't understand is that deer can become a nuisance to property if they are not controlled. They are severely over-populated and hunting is a way to control that. Where I come from, A LOT of people hunt deer and freeze the meat. And as primitive as it sounds, venison is a main source of food all year round for these people.

On a side note: Coyotes are currently severely over-populated and cause a lot of problems to rural areas, i.e. killing domestic and wild animals, livestock, etc. In most states if you see a coyote you are allowed to kill it no questions asked. It is perfectly legal
 
SBB2016 said:
:wow:WHOA!!! Find some info on that please... never heard anything about it... is it true and verified???:wtf: That is seriously crazy... but that's the kind of thing you worry about with people like this...
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Yes, it is the single sickest thing I have come across to date. They are called the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs and i have seen some of the bits of their unbelievable disturbing videos online. I am sure they are still somewhere if you care to search. I have a pretty strong stomach and the movie I saw (which I mistakenly watched before bed) ruined sleep for a long time. I couldnt believe what I was seeing...😱

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs
 
An interview wouldn't have weeded this guy out. He wasn't a basement dwelling sociopath, he was even voted onto a class e-board position and had a fair amount of friends in the class. Hell he was gunning for plastics and was making a ton of connections in the area AFAIK.

With that said, I hope he gets what is coming to him.
 
He wants to go into plastic surgery... Why do I assume that it would end up like a horror movie?

About the 2 crazy bastards... All I can say is holy-****ing-****-batman.... No, I won't watch the video. It isn't that I can't 'stomach' gore, it's that I won't watch any thing that so desecrates a human. Even in Hollywood, I won't watch it. People who can do these things are not human and therefore shouldn't be given the same rights as others. There are only two groups of people I believe this about, people like this, and people who hurt children. All I can say is WOW... glad they were caught, wish it would have been sooner...

Additionally, this guys is pretty sick: http://www.oocities.org/verbal_plainfield/a-h/clarkjoe.html

as is this guy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Parker_Ray
 
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serenade said:
Broad sweeping generalizations are bad. Just because famous serial killers were bright does not mean all of them were ( convientional neuroscience leads me to believe otherwise, as they likely lack fully developed pre-frontal cortexes ). Trust me even the best of psychiatrists and psychologists have trouble with people with anti-social personality disorder, an interviewer in most cases will not be able to detect such a disorder as they know how to appear moral and righteous. That's what makes them dangerous, and to make things worse they are usually untreatable people.
This person shows extreme signs of anti-social personality disorder, and while that alone does not mean he will be a serial killer it does tell us that he will be a very horrible member of society and manipulate and hurt people because he likely lacks a developed conscience.
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Pretty sure you are missing SBB's point... What they are saying is that in order to be considered a serial killer, you must kill 3+ people over a certain period of time. In order to do so, you must be intelligent to go undetected for so long.

Also just a heads up, before anti-personality disorder was entered into the dsm, we had pyschopaths and sociopaths. Psychopaths typically had above level intelligence and it was this group that contained almost all serial killers. Sociopaths have below average intelligence.

So in a way SBB is not making broad, sweeping generalizations. It was the way things were categorized. AND I think they meant that you must be smart, cool and calculated to get go undetected.
 
Glad he was caught. This thread is giving me nightmares
 
Just to clarify: MSU DOES interview if they see something weird in your application. For instance, last cycle they had someone with really high stats apply, and they were wondering why he hadn't been accepted anywhere yet--turns out he was facing arson charges....

sooooooooo yeah more interviews would probably be good!
 
Yeah this kid sounds like a real creeper. I don't think it's MSUCOM's fault though... Ted Bundy got into law school at the University of Utah.

Anyway, I have to admit, that when I saw the title to this thread my first thought was that it was some kid practicing tracheotomies or something.

Anyway, I'm glad they got him.
 
1) why did the "dexter" topic jump not stick? This thread should be about dexter now.

2) why specifically italian greyhounds? Does pointy-ness bother him?

3) all kidding aside, this is some terrible stuff.
 
because dexter doesn't kill harmless little puppies!
 
DocEspana said:
It was said before, but i feel like he did hurt animals early on. at least according to season one of the tv show.
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Ya. Dexter used to harm animals when he was a child
 
Either way, Dexter isn't a real person. Jeffrey Dahmer did kill cats in order to do autopsies on them... Not sure what the rest of the crazies do... Ed Gein did all kinds of crazy stuff... Either way, this kid is only going to get maybe 4 yrs in prison. He won't be able to ever go back to med school, but that doesn't mean he can't kill people once he gets out...
 
MSUCOM seems very non-trad friendly
 
I hope they throw the book at this guy.

And I think Ribseye is making some good points. I'm disappointed that several people are calling him a Troll. Maybe people are overcompensating for a position that, deep down, they are insecure about? Notice that Ribseye hasn't insulted anyone, yet he's being vilified?

Bullfighting is legal in Spain (repeatedly spearing an animal to death in an enclosed space!). Whaling (impaling and suffocation) is legal in Japan. Clubbing seals to death (arguably even more defenseless than this guy's dogs) is legal in Canada. Just because something is socially accepted, doesn't make it right. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them a Troll.
 
I'm all for weeding out... but not like this. This guy had to show at least a very strange personality in undergrad. How did he gain the trust of his letter writers?!
 
Adcoms are certainly not flawless. This could have happened at any school, so I would like to think MSU doesn't catch too much flack. It's too easy for people like this to slip through the cracks unnoticed to hold them responsible. I do have to wonder about those letter writers too though lol...who knows.
 
SFO-IST said:
I hope they throw the book at this guy.

And I think Ribseye is making some good points. I'm disappointed that several people are calling him a Troll. Maybe people are overcompensating for a position that, deep down, they are insecure about? Notice that Ribseye hasn't insulted anyone, yet he's being vilified?

Bullfighting is legal in Spain (repeatedly spearing an animal to death in an enclosed space!). Whaling (impaling and suffocation) is legal in Japan. Clubbing seals to death (arguably even more defenseless than this guy's dogs) is legal in Canada. Just because something is socially accepted, doesn't make it right. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them a Troll.
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Well said, +1.
 
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