Dental Corporations

[cc_h]

Has anyone worked for a dental corporation? What was your experience? Was the pay still good and the hours flexible? Did you get any benefits?

Im from Alberta Canada and the number of corporate dental in low here but Im sure it will rise

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[Debt Free DDS]

It's hard to work for someone else. I became a dentist to be my own boss. It would be hard for someone to tell me what to do. However if you have no interest in owning a business I am sure it is fine.

 

[2TH MVR]

It's hard to work for someone else. I became a dentist to be my own boss. It would be hard for someone to tell me what to do. However if you have no interest in owning a business I am sure it is fine.

Look. I was my own boss for 25 plus years. Owned multiple practices. I agree that the reason most of us went into dentistry is practice ownership. No debate there. But the reality is there will come a time in your practice life where your practice revenue will plateau and the hassles of running your own practice will not be on par with your reducing compensation. It happens to most older dentists. Of course there are always exceptions.

Now to answer the OP. I've worked for a Corp for approx 3 yrs. I am older and my reason for working for the Corp is LESS STRESS and to SIMPLIFY my life. But the difference between myself and others is that I am essentially debt free. For those straight out of school .... a Corp job is just a job. Unless you are a PT dentist or have no plans on owenrship .... then maybe Corp is for you. If you are looking to be a dentist FT, have DS debt .... to be a life long Corp employee is not a good idea.

My experience in the Corp. I laugh all the time at the Corp Culture. It's quite entertaining. Corp level people relay info to mid-level managers who relay the info to the workers (me). Trust me. It is not a smooth process. It is quite entertaining to see the staff on their phones during a meeting with a mid-level manager who is showing us pie diagrams, bar diagrams, month to month revenue tracking, etc. etc. etc.

The good? I show up 5 minutes before the day starts and leave when the last patient is done. I'm paid a daily rate plus bonuses. The bonuses can be really good. I could care less if the patients show up or not. I get paid regardless. If the computers go down or the internet is down .... I get paid. If the staff doesn't show up and patients need to be rescheduled. I get paid. If an employee has a problem .... they talk to the business manager .... not me. I don't deal with ANYTHING besides patient care. If the retainer isn't perfect .... impress for another .... I'm not paying for it. BTW. I do not have BOSS hanging over me all day. I do my own thing. Other benefits: 401K. Paid malpractice premiums. CHEAP, CHEAP ...did I say CHEAP medical insurance. Getting medical insurance in a private practice is a joke. The premiums are extremely high. I get some PTO and sick leave. Free CE and out of town paid meetings for other CE or Corp meetings. As a specialist .... NO SUCKING UP TO GENERAL DENTISTS. No referral politics. The GPs have to refer pt to me. HAVE TO. Another positive is working with your colleagues. If you are a private practice owner .... more times than not .... you are on a lonely island. It's just YOU and your staff. I get to interact with many dentists. As you can tell from the length of this post .... I like to talk ALOT.

The bad? You're an EMPLOYEE. You have to work with the staff that is provided. Oh I miss the days where I could fire a staff member that I did not get along with. For myself ... staff is the biggest headache I have. The corp staff, at least where I work, are terrible. As for working days. I have some leeway, but it includes most fridays and sats. I can choose how many days I want to work though.

So. Good and bad. If you are just out of school ... use Corp as a job, but private practice is still king.

 

[plusalpha]

Look. I was my own boss for 25 plus years. Owned multiple practices. I agree that the reason most of us went into dentistry is practice ownership. No debate there. But the reality is there will come a time in your practice life where your practice revenue will plateau and the hassles of running your own practice will not be on par with your reducing compensation. It happens to most older dentists. Of course there are always exceptions.

Now to answer the OP. I've worked for a Corp for approx 3 yrs. I am older and my reason for working for the Corp is LESS STRESS and to SIMPLIFY my life. But the difference between myself and others is that I am essentially debt free. For those straight out of school .... a Corp job is just a job. Unless you are a PT dentist or have no plans on owenrship .... then maybe Corp is for you. If you are looking to be a dentist FT, have DS debt .... to be a life long Corp employee is not a good idea.

My experience in the Corp. I laugh all the time at the Corp Culture. It's quite entertaining. Corp level people relay info to mid-level managers who relay the info to the workers (me). Trust me. It is not a smooth process. It is quite entertaining to see the staff on their phones during a meeting with a mid-level manager who is showing us pie diagrams, bar diagrams, month to month revenue tracking, etc. etc. etc.

The good? I show up 5 minutes before the day starts and leave when the last patient is done. I'm paid a daily rate plus bonuses. The bonuses can be really good. I could care less if the patients show up or not. I get paid regardless. If the computers go down or the internet is down .... I get paid. If the staff doesn't show up and patients need to be rescheduled. I get paid. If an employee has a problem .... they talk to the business manager .... not me. I don't deal with ANYTHING besides patient care. If the retainer isn't perfect .... impress for another .... I'm not paying for it. BTW. I do not have BOSS hanging over me all day. I do my own thing. Other benefits: 401K. Paid malpractice premiums. CHEAP, CHEAP ...did I say CHEAP medical insurance. Getting medical insurance in a private practice is a joke. The premiums are extremely high. I get some PTO and sick leave. Free CE and out of town paid meetings for other CE or Corp meetings. As a specialist .... NO SUCKING UP TO GENERAL DENTISTS. No referral politics. The GPs have to refer pt to me. HAVE TO. Another positive is working with your colleagues. If you are a private practice owner .... more times than not .... you are on a lonely island. It's just YOU and your staff. I get to interact with many dentists. As you can tell from the length of this post .... I like to talk ALOT.

The bad? You're an EMPLOYEE. You have to work with the staff that is provided. Oh I miss the days where I could fire a staff member that I did not get along with. For myself ... staff is the biggest headache I have. The corp staff, at least where I work, are terrible. As for working days. I have some leeway, but it includes most fridays and sats. I can choose how many days I want to work though.

So. Good and bad. If you are just out of school ... use Corp as a job, but private practice is still king.

I like how you presented BOTH the good and bad sides of working in a corp/working as a private owner. I gained a lot of perspective from this response.

How difficult is it to get a corp job right out of dental school? Like how is the competition? I get that more saturated areas will be more competitive due to obvious reasons, but how would one describe the difficulty of corp job searching? Just for example, if you submit your application to 10 places, how many are you likely to a land a job offer? 1? 5?

 

[Cold Front]

I worked for a corporate office for 6 months, and have been in private practice for 9 years.

Pros of corporate: Everything @2TH MVR said above.

Cons of corporate: Everything @2TH MVR said above.

Pros of private practice: King of your own castle. Total autonomy. You reap all the benefits of your stress and sweat. You can call in any day you want to your front desk staff, and say “reschedule all my patients today”. You can take as much time as you want off from work. You have the road to yourself and can see any number of patients you want. You can start 10a every day if you want. You hire the staff directly and fire them directly. A lot of business write-offs against your taxes... you control your bottom line numbers. If you have a good system and great staff, private practice is 1,000 times better than corporate gigs.

Cons of private practice: It depends. The business can control you and you can take work home, practically working here and there after business hours and during weekends - at least in the beginning. The buck stops with you, from managing staff to dealing with vendors and patient issues. You can have someone manage all these headaches, but you still have to make sure that person is doing their job right. You don’t get paid if office closes for bad weather or bad flu season that can keep most of your staff at home (which happened to me 2 weeks ago). Basically, no 2 offices have the same headaches, but all roads lead to the practice owner - for good and bad. As you get older, practice ownership gets easier. You can be open 2 days a week and chill out 5 days a week eventually. Easy money. Specially if you own your own building, which is the case for me - no landlords and a management company controlling my practice lease.


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[2TH MVR]

I like how you presented BOTH the good and bad sides of working in a corp/working as a private owner. I gained a lot of perspective from this response.

How difficult is it to get a corp job right out of dental school? Like how is the competition? I get that more saturated areas will be more competitive due to obvious reasons, but how would one describe the difficulty of corp job searching? Just for example, if you submit your application to 10 places, how many are you likely to a land a job offer? 1? 5?

Not sure for new grads. I'm sure someone here can chime in on your question. The funny thing is I still had my 2 ortho practices when I started looking for a Corp job. My goal was to work PT in Corp before selling my practices to see if I could even tolerate it. I thought it would be EASY for a seasoned orthodontist to get a Corp job. NOPE. All the Corp recruiters kept telling me if I had NO practices ... I would be hired on the spot. I about gave up until one Corp agreed to hire me PT. They needed a FT orthodontist, but were willing to hire me PT even knowing that I was just going to see if the Corp job was going to work.

So I worked in my private practices 4 days a week (Mon-Thurs) and the Corp practices Fri and Sat. 6 days. 😱 Don't laugh @charlestweed. I'm not a super worker like you. I did 6 days a week Mon-Sat for 6 months. Then I had to make a decision. Discussed it with my wife. She did not want me to sell my practices. She thought I might get fired by the Corp and be on the streets in the soup line. Well ... sold the practices ..... and no regrets.

But hopefully a new dentist can answer your question. Our Corps seem to hire a new grad dentist every few months. But we lose alot too. New dentists get disillusioned very quickly in Corp. It's just a job.

 

[ToothJockey]

This question never really comes up much. But if corps were to take over dentistry, how would that affect job security?

One of the big pros for dentistry is that there is high job security, you'll always have a job unlike finance or something. But if corps controlled dentistry, then during a recession wouldn't corps fire a bunch of dentists, just like big companies fire their employees to help their bottom line. This means the job security in dentistry is similar to any other (unsecure) profession right?

 

[2TH MVR]

This question never really comes up much. But if corps were to take over dentistry, how would that affect job security?

One of the big pros for dentistry is that there is high job security, you'll always have a job unlike finance or something. But if corps controlled dentistry, then during a recession wouldn't corps fire a bunch of dentists, just like big companies fire their employees to help their bottom line. This means the job security in dentistry is similar to any other (unsecure) profession right?

I've thought of this also with my time at the Corps. My answer is the same as when I practiced privately. Be the best that I can be. Stand out from the crowd. If a scenario arises where my Corp needs to downsize orthos ..... I want to be the last ortho standing. This starts with being a high producing dentist, being a good, dependable employee, not complaining, rubbing shoulders with the right people, etc. etc. If you are a mediocre dentist .... then yes .... you are more likely to be on the chopping block.

You compete in predent, dental, residency school and it continues in real life. That's life.

 

[ToothJockey]

I've thought of this also with my time at the Corps. My answer is the same as when I practiced privately. Be the best that I can be. Stand out from the crowd. If a scenario arises where my Corp needs to downsize orthos ..... I want to be the last ortho standing. This starts with being a high producing dentist, being a good, dependable employee, not complaining, rubbing shoulders with the right people, etc. etc. If you are a mediocre dentist .... then yes .... you are more likely to be on the chopping block.

You compete in predent, dental, residency school and it continues in real life. That's life.

Ah I see. It seems you are a high producing ortho, but for your average dentist, job security will likely be lower in the future right?

That's something people should take into account when going into dentistry. Not only is there 500k loans, but also the possibility of being fired if you don't produce enough/are naturally slow.

 

[Cold Front]

Exactly.

someone else mentioned they went into dentistry to be your own boss. You pick your demons. If you are the sole owner of a private office you have MANY bosses all asking for more and more from you. Corporate is easy. You answer to the patient and some level of reasonable productivity. As a specialist what is asked of me is not that far off of what my private offices needs to perform at to pay all those bills too....

I enjoy meeting with the regional managers. They do like to spout random numbers. My response is always, are you happy with me or not. Tell me exactly what would make YOU look better and I’ll see what I can do to help. Easy game to play.

From a micro perspective, every dentist would love to work for a corporate dentistry. From a macro perspective, we are becoming like Pharmacy profession. Eventually, once corporations have the lion share of the dental office market - local regional managers will start to talk differently to their dentists, and the tables will turn.


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[charlestweed]

Ah I see. It seems you are a high producing ortho, but for your average dentist, job security will likely be lower in the future right?

That's something people should take into account when going into dentistry. Not only is there 500k loans, but also the possibility of being fired if you don't produce enough/are naturally slow.

Not just in dentistry. In any job, if you are slow, your chance of getting fired will be very high. If you were a boss, would you hire a slow associate dentist or a slow assistant to work for you? A slow dentist = a poor dentist.

 

[ToothJockey]

From a micro perspective, every dentist would love to work for a corporate dentistry. From a macro perspective, we are becoming like Pharmacy profession. Eventually, once corporations have the lion share of the dental office market - local regional managers will start to talk differently to their dentists, and the tables will turn.


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In your opinion, dentists right now still have the power in the corporate relationship? But once corporate controls >50% of dentistry, the power will shift to the corporations?

Do you think will they bully future dentists, will dentists eventually need to unionize?

 

[Cold Front]

In your opinion, dentists right now still have the power in the corporate relationship? But once corporate controls >50% of dentistry, the power will shift to the corporations?

Do you think will they bully future dentists, will dentists eventually need to unionize?

It’s hard to say. But a corporation is a corporation. They all answer to their stock holders. If stock holders say jump, dentists will someday say “how high?”. Ofcourse we are not there yet. But in the long run, it will happen. Pharmacy was a solo business for centuries, then it all changed the last 3-4 decades.


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[ToothJockey]

I'm pretty concerned haha, I think about it everyday. I'll probably be practicing in peak corporate era. Debt or no debt, it's a tough pill to swallow. I'm surprised not many predents are thinking about this. It's their future too

 

[2TH MVR]

I'm pretty concerned haha, I think about it everyday. I'll probably be practicing in peak corporate era. Debt or no debt, it's a tough pill to swallow. I'm surprised not many predents are thinking about this. It's their future too

Chill buddy. You worry too much at your stage. I still believe that there are rural and semi-rural areas with fewer Corps. I was in Alaska last summer. Visited some small towns. No Corps there. Fact ... the nice, urban, coastal areas are saturated. These areas are also populated by the low income set. Most Corps (ours does) market to the lower income patients. You want the dentist dream? It still exists in the smaller, less populated, less desirable areas. You may or may not make as much money ..... but you have the opportunity to practice dentistry as YOU WANT.

I'll say it again. Corp is ok for an older dentist like myself, but not for young dentists with DS debt. Corp is a dead-end for young dentists. You still have time. But how long? Who knows. Start or buy that private practice in a rural area while you still have that opportunity.

btw: if you practice in a small rural area .... sell that Lambo (your avatar) with the scissor doors. It won't go well in a small town. 😉

 

[knewstance]

btw: if you practice in a small rural area .... sell that Lambo (your avatar) with the scissor doors. It won't go well in a small town. 😉

That is one thing that actually does concern me about practicing in a small town or as a dentist in general. Your patients look in the parking lot and very quickly recognize which car belongs to you, what are their feelings/thoughts towards you based on that impression. Probably an over-analysis on my part... Maybe I will just have to park under a car cover every day or build a garage at my office. The ideas are coming.

 

[Cold Front]

That is one thing that actually does concern me about practicing in a small town or as a dentist in general. Your patients look in the parking lot and very quickly recognize which car belongs to you, what are their feelings/thoughts towards you based on that impression. Probably an over-analysis on my part... Maybe I will just have to park under a car cover every day or build a garage at my office. The ideas are coming.

It depends. At my buildings, the employee parking is in the back of the building. Patients park in the front. The street entrance to the buildings (unfortunately) are from the back of the property, and some patients can see the employee cars. Maybe 1 in 100 patients notice my car.


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[charlestweed]

I'm pretty concerned haha, I think about it everyday. I'll probably be practicing in peak corporate era. Debt or no debt, it's a tough pill to swallow. I'm surprised not many predents are thinking about this. It's their future too

Since you don’t plan get married and have kid, you’ll be fine. If you only have to support yourself, you don’t need to make a lot of money….the low pay income that you earn from working at the corp office should be plenty for you.

If you think dentistry will be so bad in the future, it’s not too late for you to switch to medicine now since you are not in dental school yet.

 

[charlestweed]

Chill buddy. You worry too much at your stage. I still believe that there are rural and semi-rural areas with fewer Corps. I was in Alaska last summer. Visited some small towns. No Corps there. Fact ... the nice, urban, coastal areas are saturated. These areas are also populated by the low income set. Most Corps (ours does) market to the lower income patients. You want the dentist dream? It still exists in the smaller, less populated, less desirable areas. You may or may not make as much money ..... but you have the opportunity to practice dentistry as YOU WANT.

I'll say it again. Corp is ok for an older dentist like myself, but not for young dentists with DS debt. Corp is a dead-end for young dentists. You still have time. But how long? Who knows. Start or buy that private practice in a rural area while you still have that opportunity.

btw: if you practice in a small rural area .... sell that Lambo (your avatar) with the scissor doors. It won't go well in a small town. 😉

Everything in life is a trade-off. If one thing increases, another must decrease. If you want to make more money, practice in an area where nobody wants to live. You would save so much money for not buying a Lambo, a big expensive house etc when you live in a small town. If you want to live in the nice sunny weather state like CA, where corp offices are everywhere, expect to work like a dog to pay for all the luxury items and conveniences. If you don’t want to work hard, then don’t expect to have the nice things that the rich people have. People are rich because they work hard and make sacrifices. They may not work hard now but to get to where they are now they had to work really hard when they were younger.

 

[ToothJockey]

Since you don’t plan get married and have kid, you’ll be fine. If you only have to support yourself, you don’t need to make a lot of money….the low pay income that you earn from working at the corp office should be plenty for you.

If you think dentistry will be so bad in the future, it’s not too late for you to switch to medicine now since you are not in dental school yet.

I would argue you need to make even more money, because now you need to have lots of money for retirement because you won't have kids to take care of you when you're old.

Unfortunately I don't think medicine is much better. It's already controlled by corps, that's just the reality for America, everything is corporate. I'll just have to suck it up and deal with it. I'll still try my best to own a practice and live my dental dream.

 

[charlestweed]

I would argue you need to make even more money, because now you need to have lots of money for retirement because you won't have kids to take care of you when you're old.

My kids will take care of me when I am old? I wish. I never have such expectation. I expect my kids to have good enough career to take care of their own kids. The reason I work so hard now is I try to save as much as I can....both for my own retirement and for my kids in case they make mistakes and don't have good jobs.

I have 2 cousins, who are married but have no kid. The first couple....both husband and wife are physicians, who practiced in NV and now retire in Oregon. They are only 5-6 years older than me and they own several rental properties. My cousin stays home and her husband currently works as a volunteer doctor for an organization called Doctors without Borders. The 2nd counple is much younger...8-9 years younger than me. They are both pharmacists. They have a nice $1+ million house and travel 5-6 times in a year.

Unfortunately I don't think medicine is much better. It's already controlled by corps, that's just the reality for America, everything is corporate. I'll just have to suck it up and deal with it. I'll still try my best to own a practice and live my dental dream.

Dentists and doctors in America make more money than dentists and doctors in a lot of other countries. Hope this makes you feel better.

 

[AONLINE]

Ah I see. It seems you are a high producing ortho, but for your average dentist, job security will likely be lower in the future right?

That's something people should take into account when going into dentistry. Not only is there 500k loans, but also the possibility of being fired if you don't produce enough/are naturally slow.

99.9% of new dentists get at least one job offer immediately when they graduate. As of today if a dentist get fired from their job at a corp or private practice they can easily get a new job at another corp. Not sure how this will changes in the future.

 

[charlestweed]

99.9% of new dentists get at least one job offer immediately when they graduate. As of today if a dentist get fired from their job at a corp or private practice they can easily get a new job at another corp. Not sure how this will changes in the future.

This is also true even for oversaturated states like CA. Job security is the one thing that dentists continue to enjoy for many many years.

All the dentists/dental specialists, who responded in this thread, Dentists, what is your typical weekly schedule?, work less than 40 hours a week and they all have done very well financially. None of them has to bring any work home. Good work schedule is another big plus of being a dentist.

For those of you who thinks dentistry is not worth persuing, please list the other job options that give you the same job security and good work schedule as dentistry.

 

[2TH MVR]

That is one thing that actually does concern me about practicing in a small town or as a dentist in general. Your patients look in the parking lot and very quickly recognize which car belongs to you, what are their feelings/thoughts towards you based on that impression. Probably an over-analysis on my part... Maybe I will just have to park under a car cover every day or build a garage at my office. The ideas are coming.

This has been commented on many times. Does it matter that patients can see what type of car you drive. I would definitely think that it matters more in a small town vs. urban city. I personally never cared what the patients saw me driving. I work hard. What I choose to drive is my decision. I would think the average patient would prefer to see their drs driving nice cars (possibly indicating a successful, good dr) as opposed to the dr. driving a POS.

Now .... with my current Corp job treating the needs of low income patients in low income areas. I do not drive a fancy car. I prefer not to stick out. I bought a cheaper, nondescript SUV with good gas mileage and is comfortable. My commute each way is 45 minutes and I put tons of miles on the suv.

 

[theleatherwalle]

While dentists may have jobs, i'm somewhat surprised no-one has mentioned underemployment. I know dentists now who can only find work 3-4 days a week and would like to work more.

edit: just want to say these are generally new grads and slower dentists from my experience

 

[AONLINE]

While dentists may have jobs, i'm somewhat surprised no-one has mentioned underemployment. I know dentists now who can only find work 3-4 days a week and would like to work more.

edit: just want to say these are generally new grads and slower dentists from my experience

They will have to work at more than one office. Are you sure they're looking hard enough? I personally will be happy with working 4 days a week for $120k.

 

[ToothJockey]

They will have to work at more than one office. Are you sure they're looking hard enough? I personally will be happy with working 4 days a week for $120k.

Yeah but that 120k is more like 20k after taxes (-40k) and loan repayment for an expensive school (-60k). Living off 20k is borderline poverty level.

Lets say you went to a in state school half the price (-30k/yr), you will still live off of 50k a year which is not that much more than your average American who might not have even gone to college, let alone dental school.

According to Table 3, only 13% of dental students had parents earning less than 50k a year. Majority of dental students have parents earning 100k+. So 50k a year would actually be a downgrade in lifestyle for your average dental student. Just giving some perspective here...

 

[P7898]

Yeah but that 120k is more like 20k after taxes (-40k) and loan repayment for an expensive school (-60k). Living off 20k is borderline poverty level.

Lets say you went to a in state school half the price (-30k/yr), you will still live off of 50k a year which is not that much more than your average American who might not have even gone to college, let alone dental school.

According to Table 3, only 13% of dental students had parents earning less than 50k a year. Majority of dental students have parents earning 100k+. So 50k a year would actually be a downgrade in lifestyle for your average dental student. Just giving some perspective here...

Go to a cheap school.

 

[charlestweed]

Yeah but that 120k is more like 20k after taxes (-40k) and loan repayment for an expensive school (-60k). Living off 20k is borderline poverty level.

Lets say you went to a in state school half the price (-30k/yr), you will still live off of 50k a year which is not that much more than your average American who might not have even gone to college, let alone dental school.

According to Table 3, only 13% of dental students had parents earning less than 50k a year. Majority of dental students have parents earning 100k+. So 50k a year would actually be a downgrade in lifestyle for your average dental student. Just giving some perspective here...

Like I said before, a slow dentist = a poor dentist. If your plan to is work for someone forever, then it's probably not worth pursuing dentistry.....because you'll be the same as a pharmacist/optometrist, who works at Walgreen. Your associate income will be stuck at $120k for the rest of your practicing career.

If you are single and have no kid, an income of $120k should be plenty for you. If you graduate at 26, you should be student debt-free by 36, which is still a very young age. Not a lot of people (even the ones with a college degree) at this age can make a 6-figure income.

Many of my single Asian adult friends lived with their parents after graduation to save money and to pay off debts. They moved out they when they got married. And with the additional income from their spouses, they all bought very nice houses

 

[P7898]

Like I said before, a slow dentist = a poor dentist. If your plan to is work for someone forever, then it's probably not worth pursuing dentistry.....because you'll be the same as a pharmacist/optometrist, who works at Walgreen. Your associate income will be stuck at $120k for the rest of your practicing career.

If you are single and have no kid, an income of $120k should be plenty for you. If you graduate at 26, you should be student debt-free by 36, which is still a very young age. Not a lot of people (even the ones with a college degree) at this age can make a 6-figure income.

Many of my single Asian adult friends lived with their parents after graduation to save money and to pay off debts. They moved out they when they got married. And with the additional income from their spouses, they all bought very nice houses

Agreed. Slow dentist = poor dentist but never give up on quality. Just naturally you will get faster at procedures. But try and balance speed and quality always.

People say "ohh nooo I have to go into more debt to make $$$$$$ in dentistry for the practice." How the heck are you going to diversify your portfolio then? Building equity in a dental practice is how most successful GPs secure a nice chunk of their retirement - and oh by the way it will double to triple your income....

Buy a dental office, be fast and high quality, invest in your staff and then sell the practice so you don't have to worry about another coronavirus eating all your savings away in the stock market. It is a way we can diversify and increase our income.

 

[ToothJockey]

Haha I'm the last person that needs convincing to go the ownership route. It's the main reason I'm applying to D school. If I wanted to be an associate I would apply to Med school.

I was saying if someone is going into dentistry happy with 120k as an associate, they should rethink their plan, because that 120k is more like 20k if you go to an expensive school, or more like 50k if you go to a cheap school. If they are still happy with that, then good for them.

 

[P7898]

If you can go to a school $150-$200k then you'll be fine no matter what you do. So do everything you can to hit this mark. Significant other graduated with $0 - yes it can be done. Makes $170k after GPR year at the ripe age of 27 and is saving like no other. This is where you want to be!

 

[Anondds87]

How

If you can go to a school $150-$200k then you'll be fine no matter what you do. So do everything you can to hit this mark. Significant other graduated with $0 - yes it can be done. Makes $170k after GPR year at the ripe age of 27 and is saving like no other. This is where you want to be!

how did they graduate with zero?

 

[P7898]

Scholarships and scholarships and scholarships and public school