dental+medical degrees?

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what do you think if a student gets a dual dmd/md degree(case western) and then does military service as a gmo/flight surgeon, perhaps moonlighting as a dentist occasionally, after which he proceeds to become a general dentist as a civilian?
 
i think the path that i showed allows you to go into any one of the medical residencies after the military service, and that would be only 1 year behind a regular md program. but i figure it would be at that point appealing to just go into general dentistry without doing any residencies, assuming that's what you like. is this program geared towards future oral surgeons, or is it for people who don't know if they want to be dentists or physicians? http://dental.case.edu/dmdmd

obviously if interested in being a general dentist, one could instead do u pacific dental school and then just serve in the military 3 years as a dentist and then buy your own practice with the saved money. so would save 4 years compared to the pathway i chose, but wouldnt get to experience the military and the various medical professions as fully.
 
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what do you think if a student gets a dual dmd/md degree(case western) and then does military service as a gmo/flight surgeon, perhaps moonlighting as a dentist occasionally, after which he proceeds to become a general dentist as a civilian?

I think it's pretty weird. But it's your time and money. You probably won't be a very good dentist or surgeon if you just dabble in each.
 
I think it's pretty weird. But it's your time and money. You probably won't be a very good dentist or surgeon if you just dabble in each.
flight surgeons are not really surgeons(it's a misnomer), they only have 1 year of internship, no residency, and their job is mainly as primary care physicians. their job is cool partly because they travel a lot. but they can moonlight on the side. but indeed, that is 5 years of doing something that has very little to do with dentistry or even medicine if you intend to go into something other than family medicine. but you can still moonlight.
 
i've seen the curriculum and think its pretty useless. i don't think it will catch on. the distribution of coursework and clinics seems like it wouldn't allow to excel at either the dental or the medical part. i don't think the "dentist of the future" needs any more medical knowledge than they currently have (which is what they are selling)
 
i've seen the curriculum and think its pretty useless. i don't think it will catch on. the distribution of coursework and clinics seems like it wouldn't allow to excel at either the dental or the medical part. i don't think the "dentist of the future" needs any more medical knowledge than they currently have (which is what they are selling)

I think that may possibly be the most ignorant statement ever made on SDN.
 
I think that may possibly be the most ignorant statement ever made on SDN.

i don't think a dentist needs an MD to take a medical history on a patient to realize that something isn't right and may need a consultation. even if you plan on doing a sinus lift with a surgical cap and a cubicle wrapped with blue towels.
 
i don't think a dentist needs an MD to take a medical history on a patient to realize that something isn't right and may need a consultation. even if you plan on doing a sinus lift with a surgical cap and a cubicle wrapped with blue towels.

what if a dentist wants to have some outside knowledge. If he lives in a rural area, he may perhaps act as a primary physician sometimes? Even if he lives in an urban area, he may want to give advice to his friends/family about general medical problems.
 
i've seen the curriculum and think its pretty useless. i don't think it will catch on. the distribution of coursework and clinics seems like it wouldn't allow to excel at either the dental or the medical part. i don't think the "dentist of the future" needs any more medical knowledge than they currently have (which is what they are selling)

i think they do mostly basic science courses over the first 2 years, just like most medical schools. Do you think they'd have trouble with step1 or nbde? In the next 3 years they get clinical practice in both fields, so hopefully they are exposed to more clinical skills than a regular dental or medical student over 2 years.
btw, do you think it will be more competitive to get accepted to this dmd/md program than a regular md program at cwru?
 
i think they do mostly basic science courses over the first 2 years, just like most medical schools. Do you think they'd have trouble with step1 or nbde? In the next 3 years they get clinical practice in both fields, so hopefully they are exposed to more clinical skills than a regular dental or medical student over 2 years.
btw, do you think it will be more competitive to get accepted to this dmd/md program than a regular md program at cwru?

it's a novel idea. i think it's nice for a general dentist to have basic medical knowledge. however, my point is essentially that for a general dentist, a lot of time spent getting an MD (spending 2 months on ob gyn, a month on psych, 2 months on general surgery, studying for USMLE) is probably better spent supplementing one's knowledge of dental skills through advanced training. Would you go to dmd/md who has done a year of internship for your semi annual dental check up and refill on your anti hypertensives or lipid lowering agent when you are 60? I don't see it happening even in a rural area. i've done medical school and i believe it's helpful (not essential) for me since i'm an OMS resident and spend all my time at the hospital dealing with consults and operating on sick inpatients. That situation is, however, different than sitting in a private practice with a stable patient walking into your door who happens to have a medical condition that warrants a consult. as far as being more competitive to get into, i have no idea.
 
it's a novel idea. i think it's nice for a general dentist to have basic medical knowledge. however, my point is essentially that for a general dentist, a lot of time spent getting an MD (spending 2 months on ob gyn, a month on psych, 2 months on general surgery, studying for USMLE) is probably better spent supplementing one's knowledge of dental skills through advanced training. Would you go to dmd/md who has done a year of internship for your semi annual dental check up and refill on your anti hypertensives or lipid lowering agent when you are 60? I don't see it happening even in a rural area. i've done medical school and i believe it's helpful (not essential) for me since i'm an OMS resident and spend all my time at the hospital dealing with consults and operating on sick inpatients. That situation is, however, different than sitting in a private practice with a stable patient walking into your door who happens to have a medical condition that warrants a consult. as far as being more competitive to get into, i have no idea.

i agree that if you do dmd/md without any residency, then you're only trained to be a general dentist. and then you'll be a good or bad dentist based on your experience and talent. but you can still use your md knowledge in non-technical situations. if someone asks you for friendly advice, you can reply with more than "i'm a dentist, ask your doctor about this", especially if you've done an internship and served in a primary physician role in the military for a few years. i feel that being only knowledgeable about teeth limits you as a person. even scientists who specialize in something narrow like particle physics are often very knowledgeable about many other areas of science that have nothing to do with their professional work.
 
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what if a dentist wants to have some outside knowledge. If he lives in a rural area, he may perhaps act as a primary physician sometimes? Even if he lives in an urban area, he may want to give advice to his friends/family about general medical problems.

Giving advice? No problem.

"Acting as a primary physician sometimes"? Absolutely not. That's practicing way outside the scope of a dental license, and it's a good way to end up spending the rest of your career at Steak & Shake. 👎
 
i agree that if you do dmd/md without any residency, then you're only trained to be a general dentist. and then you'll be a good or bad dentist based on your experience and talent. but you can still use your md knowledge in non-technical situations. if someone asks you for friendly advice, you can reply with more than "i'm a dentist, ask your doctor about this", especially if you've done an internship and served in a primary physician role in the military for a few years. i feel that being only knowledgeable about teeth limits you as a person. even scientists who specialize in something narrow like particle physics are often very knowledgeable about many other areas of science that have nothing to do with their professional work.
I don't want to shoot you down here, but this is starting to sound less like an interest in extra education and more like an dental inferiority complex.

If you want to be a dentist, go to dental school. If you want to be a dentist with extra medical knowledge & training, do an oral medicine certificate, a GPR, or OMS. But if a physician is what you want to be, no amount of dental education in the world will make you one, and you should apply to medical school instead.
 
what do you think if a student gets a dual dmd/md degree(case western) and then does military service as a gmo/flight surgeon, perhaps moonlighting as a dentist occasionally, after which he proceeds to become a general dentist as a civilian?

That sounds good to me. My personal plans are to be NASA's official space station dentist for a few years and be a truck driver between missions. After that I will probably settle down into a private practice while working as a fireman on the weekends.

That will fulfill all my childhood career dreams except one - I also wanted to be a crop duster. Oh well... maybe in retirement.
 
That sounds good to me. My personal plans are to be NASA's official space station dentist for a few years and be a truck driver between missions. After that I will probably settle down into a private practice while working as a fireman on the weekends.

That will fulfill all my childhood career dreams except one - I also wanted to be a crop duster. Oh well... maybe in retirement.

you have those dreams too!?@#?!@
 
Unless this type of program exists for all students at every dental school it is pointless. Who are they kidding? The few students that go through this program are not gonna be GPs. They will end up specializing either in a dental or medical field.
This may open up a whole can of worms in the area of managed care and billing...the dds/dmd disappears the MD (DO for those at ASDOH and Nova) for all and HMOs dictating treatment and billing schedule.
Sounds Great!
 
I have a feeling that the people graduated with DMD/MD program will be at LOSS when comes to dental and medical residency. Say the person starts a GPR program and when asked by his dental professor " Is the VD OK on her dentures?", the young clad replies "... uh, I didn't know dentures can contract veneral disease, doctor!". DP