Dental School Admission Policy Biases Based on Race

[Medin2017]

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It's very unfortunate but I strongly believe that admissions (both dental and medical) is not soley based on your stats, intervew, ec, lor, etc. No offense to anybody here, but if dental/medical school admissions was based on stats alone, I can confidently say that more than 50% of the seats will be filled by Asian Americans. Admissions committee has to make sure the class is diverse. Therefore, being an Asian somewhat works against you in admissions, since you are competing against other Asians. This topic has been talked about numerous times in my ethnicity forum regarding American medical/dental school admissions, and everybody on that forum agrees about this.

I am an Asian American as well, and English is my second language. My GPA was only 3.2 (but I graduated from top 10 Engineering school in the US, very well known Engineering school). Even though English is my second language, my RC score on DAT was 21 and had 24AA. I had multiple acceptances this cycle.
I worked in the industry as well before applying to dental school, and trust me there are "hidden" discrimination/racism at the workforce in this country (you can tell by how Trump won the election). Again, no offense to anybody, just my personal opinion.
A lot of people in the US make Asian stereotypes (Asians are smart, good at math, etc.). In my opinion, nobody is smarter than anyone. Anybody who tries hard can be smart.
If I offended anybody, I sincerely apologize.
To op, unfortunately it is what it is. Asian people just have try harder.

No need to apologise this thread is a ****show from the start.

1) op complaining about affirmative action which is almost non-existent compared to medical schools. Like literally a 21/3.6+ + shadowing and volunteering gets you in almost everywhere. stop crying.

2) person saying all Asians are socially awkward because asian culture and anecdotes being tossed around to justify that.

3) Asians implying things against other minorities in response out of anger which is dirty as well.

Really ugly thread all around and would probably have been closed had this been premed/med forum both for baiting affirmative action discussion and stereotyping.

I've got no dog in this fight (accepted, nonminority, friends with people of all races who arent walking stereotypes nor are racists themselves, etc.), but I'm thoroughly entertained at prospective dentists with these thoughts and feelings. No wonder racial tension is so high these days. If predents/dentists/physicians think like this, imagine how it bleeds through in their patient care and general interaction with others.

 

[oceanicvibe]

Asian people are poc. they're just not urm

They don't get the same treatment as black and latinx POC

 

[setdoc7]

Also, speaking from the POV of one school I know for sure does this, they try and match their class with the demographics of the state. Ergo if 1000 Asians apply for 15 spots as opposed to 75 AA for 25 spots it’s much easier for AA and harder for Asians. They also do it for gender. The admissions process doesn’t have to be fair.

This is a prime example of urban legend which is promoted on SDN. Unless you are an ADCOM or Dean of one of the accredited dental schools, you have no first hand knowledge of this.

 

[predent2151]

This is a prime example of urban legend which is promoted on SDN. Unless you are an ADCOM or Dean of one of the accredited dental schools, you have no first hand knowledge of this.

This is what a student interviewer told me. May not be the MOST credible source but still fairly credible. It also makes sense.

 

[aj30]

This is a prime example of urban legend which is promoted on SDN. Unless you are an ADCOM or Dean of one of the accredited dental schools, you have no first hand knowledge of this.

There are a lot of things that you have no first hand knowledge of, yet you still believe. For example, you probably don’t have first hand knowledge that Pluto exists, or even that New Zealand does, yet it would be ludicrous to suggest that you shouldn’t believe in their existence on that basis. If there’s enough evidence of something being true you have every right and reason to accept it as such. This racial/“demographic” matching has been proven to exist in numerous settings, including in some job opportunities and school admissions, so if he has a reliable source informing him of its existence in some setting in which it is perfectly plausible and even likely, accepting it as (probable) truth is perfectly reasonable.

 

[setdoc7]

I give up. You win. I've been to Auckland. You must be a dean or an adcom.

 

[ringofkeys]

They don't get the same treatment as black and latinx POC

that's true, but we shouldn't act like asian people, especially non-east asians, don't face at least some discrimination. there are high levels of poverty among southeast asians. but I also think this is besides the point. ultimately, asian people do not have it has hard as black people, latinx people, and native american people; they still face discrimination; and i think we should acknowledge all of the different forms of biases towards all POC, but not pit them against each other.

 

[aj30]

that's true, but we shouldn't act like asian people, especially non-east asians, don't face at least some discrimination. there are high levels of poverty among southeast asians. but I also think this is besides the point. ultimately, asian people do not have it has hard as black people, latinx people, and native american people; they still face discrimination; and i think we should acknowledge all of the different forms of biases towards all POC, but not pit them against each other.

How about we just treat everyone equally?

 

[ringofkeys]

How about we just treat everyone equally?

I agree that would be nice, but I don't think equal always means fair. here is a link that sort of explains my view on equal vs equitable. i think it's geared towards people with disabilities, but same concept. also, i'm not trying to argue, this is just to make a point on my view. https://www.businessdisabilityinternational.org/when-is-equality-not-equality/

 

[aj30]

I agree that would be nice, but I don't think equal always means fair. here is a link that sort of explains my view on equal vs equitable. i think it's geared towards people with disabilities, but same concept. also, i'm not trying to argue, this is just to make a point on my view. https://www.businessdisabilityinternational.org/when-is-equality-not-equality/

I got you. I want to just point out to you, though, the implications of your argument, followed to its logical end. You’re saying that those in authority should “help” people of particular skin shades because they can’t get by on their own merit like everyone else? Do you see why that’s actually racist? Insisting that everyone be held to an equal standard is therefore the least racist way of going about things.

 

[ringofkeys]

I got you. I want to just point out to you, though, the implications of your argument, followed to its logical end. You’re saying that those in authority should “help” people of particular skin shades because they can’t get by on their own merit like everyone else? Do you see why that’s actually racist? Insisting that everyone be held to an equal standard is therefore the least racist way of going about things.

I see what you're saying, and my argument is more idealistic than realistic i guess. my minor really focuses on this stuff. but I'm not saying that poc should be able to sit back and rely on help and not do hard work, I'm trying to point out that we need to acknowledge there are some hardships that should be evened out so they do not have to deal with those on top of simply trying to get into dental school. but yeah, having an equal standard is probably the most practical thing right now.